(Poll) How much do you parse?

Everest_Lionheart · August 2020

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This patch on my mDK on a trial dummy, I am right around 90k on average, with parses that flirt with 95k when I don't have any issues (either my fingers or performance) and decent crit RNG. My Stamplar was right around 95k last patch, but havent parsed with him at all this patch. My guild required a 90k parse to be top tier this patch, which I got on launch day pretty fast after making a few minor adjustments. I didnt realize for like an hour that Vamp increased your ulti cost, so I kept messing up and trying to cast an ult too soon. Haha

80k is really not hard to achieve on a lot of classes, assuming you have BIS gear, and a decent LA/Second ratio (.8-.85). If you want to break 90k, you need a LA ratio north of .9 on most classes in the current meta from my experience, and your rotation needs to be pretty much error free. The difference between 80-90k is much bigger than the difference between 70-80k.

Havent tried parsing with stranglers. I almost made a batch of 20 3 mil dummies for my house, you know, for science, but then I read the PTS patch notes...

been trying to hit 90k+ on my mdk but i just cant seem to break from the 86k mark ( other than the 1 time i hit 88k )

@W0lf_z13

First question would be, what is your LA/Sec Ratio. The difference between 86-90k could be as simple as the pace of your rotation. This patch, it was nothing groundbreaking. Only real changes from last patch were to drop VAS staff for 5 piece siroria front bar (paired with elf bane), using the vamp spammable, and I did go to Maw for the parse, but I also think Zaan and ilambris will be with in a few hundred DPS. Really like ilambris in actual content this patch on mDK (if running elf bane). I also stopped bash canceling, because its more trouble than its worth now (truthfully, I think it's always been more trouble than its worth).

Another thing that is helpful, not quite sure how you handle ultimates, but the best I have found is to go Standard, Meteor, Meteor, and Standard (which you hold until execute). 3 bloodthirsty is also important if trying to min/max a parse. That is more DPS than 3 standards, which is what you can also do, but the difference is a couple K. Having a standard for execute really helps when paired with bloodthirsty.

My rotation is pretty straight forward. Talons is the centerpiece. Talons, 8 skills, talons , 8 skills. I always cast Elemental blockade, trap, embers and engulfing in order (back bar). I opt for blockade over unstable wall. The later is more damage, but makes the rotation more complicated. I also manage eruption dynamical on the back bar. On the front bar, I manage FOO and Scalding Rune, dynamically (never recast FOO early). I opt for inner light over orbs, because it gave me sustain issues on a dummy. I do usually run orbs in actual content. Talons is always every ninth skill, otherwise, i am using the vamp spam. No real changes in execute, other than to perhaps get a little spammy right at the end. No reason to cast a DOT that wont run its full course. I am able to sustain this with just max magic food (no regen), but the purple bi-stat food (health magic)is what I use in actual content. Truthfully, very little difference between the two. You shouldnt need regen food.

I’m stuck at 53-57K on MagDK. Non vamp, no monster set but 1 piece slimecraw. running MS/Julianos (5 pc active both sets on both bars) Maelstrom backbar, gold weapons, purple body, blue jewelry 1 arcane and 2 BT. CP540

Rotation starting on backbar:
Trap>wall>scalding rune>Eruption>barswap
Embers>engulfing>FOO>whip> 3x Unreleting grip>whip>barswap

Repeat.

I’m using unrelenting grip for the sustain and procing max stacks on seething fury for my whip each time. I have inner light slotted on the backbar for the crit passive so both bars have it slotted and I can parse with cheap potions!

I like the idea of using burning talons but have no idea how to fit it in. I also have no idea how it works other than beyond what the tooltip says about the 4 second DOT. Are you using it to guarantee the burning proc? Is that something I could get from BSW in place of Julianos?

Unfortunately I’m on XB1 so no add ons to help so it’s all trying to read the crazy boxes in screen making dynamic rotations crazy hard. I find I overcast eruption 18 second dot but I get it down roughly every 14 seconds. I use the longer version of wall also because the 14 second MagDK dots just line up better so it’s one less timer to manage.

Anyway anything I should be doing differently other than selling out the the vamp meta just to change back in a few weeks?

max_only · August 2020

You could say, in a literal sense, that parsing is for/from dummies.
Jk

zvavi · August 2020

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This patch on my mDK on a trial dummy, I am right around 90k on average, with parses that flirt with 95k when I don't have any issues (either my fingers or performance) and decent crit RNG. My Stamplar was right around 95k last patch, but havent parsed with him at all this patch. My guild required a 90k parse to be top tier this patch, which I got on launch day pretty fast after making a few minor adjustments. I didnt realize for like an hour that Vamp increased your ulti cost, so I kept messing up and trying to cast an ult too soon. Haha

80k is really not hard to achieve on a lot of classes, assuming you have BIS gear, and a decent LA/Second ratio (.8-.85). If you want to break 90k, you need a LA ratio north of .9 on most classes in the current meta from my experience, and your rotation needs to be pretty much error free. The difference between 80-90k is much bigger than the difference between 70-80k.

Havent tried parsing with stranglers. I almost made a batch of 20 3 mil dummies for my house, you know, for science, but then I read the PTS patch notes...

been trying to hit 90k+ on my mdk but i just cant seem to break from the 86k mark ( other than the 1 time i hit 88k )

@W0lf_z13

First question would be, what is your LA/Sec Ratio. The difference between 86-90k could be as simple as the pace of your rotation. This patch, it was nothing groundbreaking. Only real changes from last patch were to drop VAS staff for 5 piece siroria front bar (paired with elf bane), using the vamp spammable, and I did go to Maw for the parse, but I also think Zaan and ilambris will be with in a few hundred DPS. Really like ilambris in actual content this patch on mDK (if running elf bane). I also stopped bash canceling, because its more trouble than its worth now (truthfully, I think it's always been more trouble than its worth).

Another thing that is helpful, not quite sure how you handle ultimates, but the best I have found is to go Standard, Meteor, Meteor, and Standard (which you hold until execute). 3 bloodthirsty is also important if trying to min/max a parse. That is more DPS than 3 standards, which is what you can also do, but the difference is a couple K. Having a standard for execute really helps when paired with bloodthirsty.

My rotation is pretty straight forward. Talons is the centerpiece. Talons, 8 skills, talons , 8 skills. I always cast Elemental blockade, trap, embers and engulfing in order (back bar). I opt for blockade over unstable wall. The later is more damage, but makes the rotation more complicated. I also manage eruption dynamical on the back bar. On the front bar, I manage FOO and Scalding Rune, dynamically (never recast FOO early). I opt for inner light over orbs, because it gave me sustain issues on a dummy. I do usually run orbs in actual content. Talons is always every ninth skill, otherwise, i am using the vamp spam. No real changes in execute, other than to perhaps get a little spammy right at the end. No reason to cast a DOT that wont run its full course. I am able to sustain this with just max magic food (no regen), but the purple bi-stat food (health magic)is what I use in actual content. Truthfully, very little difference between the two. You shouldnt need regen food.

I’m stuck at 53-57K on MagDK. Non vamp, no monster set but 1 piece slimecraw. running MS/Julianos (5 pc active both sets on both bars) Maelstrom backbar, gold weapons, purple body, blue jewelry 1 arcane and 2 BT. CP540

Rotation starting on backbar:
Trap>wall>scalding rune>Eruption>barswap
Embers>engulfing>FOO>whip> 3x Unreleting grip>whip>barswap

Repeat.

I’m using unrelenting grip for the sustain and procing max stacks on seething fury for my whip each time. I have inner light slotted on the backbar for the crit passive so both bars have it slotted and I can parse with cheap potions!

I like the idea of using burning talons but have no idea how to fit it in. I also have no idea how it works other than beyond what the tooltip says about the 4 second DOT. Are you using it to guarantee the burning proc? Is that something I could get from BSW in place of Julianos?

Unfortunately I’m on XB1 so no add ons to help so it’s all trying to read the crazy boxes in screen making dynamic rotations crazy hard. I find I overcast eruption 18 second dot but I get it down roughly every 14 seconds. I use the longer version of wall also because the 14 second MagDK dots just line up better so it’s one less timer to manage.

Anyway anything I should be doing differently other than selling out the the vamp meta just to change back in a few weeks?

If you are using chains to manage to sustain, I recommend understanding that not using chains but only whip will bring you more damage, so make sure you have enough resources by using chains, but you don't have to get to 3 stacks every time before whipping, because whipping early = more damage overall. Dropping them all together is the dream.
Burning talons are strong only if you use elfbane (making them from 4 second dot to 8 second dot essentially making them useful).

Seminolegirl1992 · August 2020

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

Hi everybody

Most of us are men and we've been known too stretch the truth on certain things just a tiny bit throughout history, in favor of a little ego boost lol XD

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Finished a vss hm raid with 6 of us being women, the other 6 men ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Hell, the guild itself is run by two women.

But to answer your question, reliably anywhere from 60k-69k on a dummy or trial setting.

bmnoble · August 2020

I usually just tank or heal in group content, can manage a bit over 20K though when specked as a damage dealer.

Jhava · August 2020

Ackwalan wrote: »

Just like fishing, the first liar doesn't stand a chance.

And the truth will set you free!

richo262 · August 2020

I prob should parse, never really had the commitment to do it. I managed 76k dps on the ghost in vAA just prior to main boss. I have no idea what that would translate to, it is a single boss, but you have to run around to kill side ghosts, then get back on boss... with a 300 ping.

W0lf_z13 · August 2020

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This patch on my mDK on a trial dummy, I am right around 90k on average, with parses that flirt with 95k when I don't have any issues (either my fingers or performance) and decent crit RNG. My Stamplar was right around 95k last patch, but havent parsed with him at all this patch. My guild required a 90k parse to be top tier this patch, which I got on launch day pretty fast after making a few minor adjustments. I didnt realize for like an hour that Vamp increased your ulti cost, so I kept messing up and trying to cast an ult too soon. Haha

80k is really not hard to achieve on a lot of classes, assuming you have BIS gear, and a decent LA/Second ratio (.8-.85). If you want to break 90k, you need a LA ratio north of .9 on most classes in the current meta from my experience, and your rotation needs to be pretty much error free. The difference between 80-90k is much bigger than the difference between 70-80k.

Havent tried parsing with stranglers. I almost made a batch of 20 3 mil dummies for my house, you know, for science, but then I read the PTS patch notes...

been trying to hit 90k+ on my mdk but i just cant seem to break from the 86k mark ( other than the 1 time i hit 88k )

@W0lf_z13

First question would be, what is your LA/Sec Ratio. The difference between 86-90k could be as simple as the pace of your rotation. This patch, it was nothing groundbreaking. Only real changes from last patch were to drop VAS staff for 5 piece siroria front bar (paired with elf bane), using the vamp spammable, and I did go to Maw for the parse, but I also think Zaan and ilambris will be with in a few hundred DPS. Really like ilambris in actual content this patch on mDK (if running elf bane). I also stopped bash canceling, because its more trouble than its worth now (truthfully, I think it's always been more trouble than its worth).

Another thing that is helpful, not quite sure how you handle ultimates, but the best I have found is to go Standard, Meteor, Meteor, and Standard (which you hold until execute). 3 bloodthirsty is also important if trying to min/max a parse. That is more DPS than 3 standards, which is what you can also do, but the difference is a couple K. Having a standard for execute really helps when paired with bloodthirsty.

My rotation is pretty straight forward. Talons is the centerpiece. Talons, 8 skills, talons , 8 skills. I always cast Elemental blockade, trap, embers and engulfing in order (back bar). I opt for blockade over unstable wall. The later is more damage, but makes the rotation more complicated. I also manage eruption dynamical on the back bar. On the front bar, I manage FOO and Scalding Rune, dynamically (never recast FOO early). I opt for inner light over orbs, because it gave me sustain issues on a dummy. I do usually run orbs in actual content. Talons is always every ninth skill, otherwise, i am using the vamp spam. No real changes in execute, other than to perhaps get a little spammy right at the end. No reason to cast a DOT that wont run its full course. I am able to sustain this with just max magic food (no regen), but the purple bi-stat food (health magic)is what I use in actual content. Truthfully, very little difference between the two. You shouldnt need regen food.

usually la/s im at .88 , very interesting on using meteor instead of just having it slotted for passive, im gonna give that a try right now actually , currently im running 2x maw, 5x mothers sorrow ( jewels all bloodthirsty inferno staff precise ), 5x siroria, maelstrom infused inferno on bb... all golded body pieces all divines, ... fb layout is inner light, foo, rune, bfb, talons, ult meteor, bb is burning embers, trap, engulf, erupt, unstable wall and ult standard

redshirt_49 · August 2020

On most characters not running monster sets it is not easy to crack 80k. I'll do so on my main, but not others.

Tyrobag · August 2020

The poll isn't very useful since you didn't specify on what type of dummy. Using a prebuffed dummy will give you vastly different (and unrealistic) numbers verses a standard dummy. Most people also don't want to blow real $$ on buying the pre-buffed dummy either.

MajThorax · August 2020

High Elf magsorc with mothersorrow, regular false god and inferno vma backstaff, alone on my dummy I do 35-40k. Not sure how people on youtube videos barely touch the dummy and the addon immediately shows 80k. Is it because my weaving is not good? Cause I play with 140ping.

CelestialSlayer · August 2020

I also think this is misleading as it doesn’t take into account CP or gear. I’ve just broken 400cp and with my build I’m just at 15k, but I’m still working in it with regards to weapon and gear sets. These big numbers just seem unobtainable to me and slightly demoralising.

vibeborn · August 2020

On average I do about 10-19K, though sometimes it get's at least up to 25k. My goal is to get at least 20k permanently

Czekoludek · August 2020

Usually ppl who do 70k+ on iron, don't bother to pug.

karekiz · August 2020

80k+ On classes that I play as DPS
70K+ on classes that I don't play as DPS

So lowest is 70K

I don't know why you have (Honest) though. It isn't like you can tell if they are.

Czekoludek wrote: »

Usually ppl who do 70k+ on iron, don't bother to pug.

I pug random on my tanks especially if they are new and I am just learning them. What better way to learn to play then when you have to struggle to actually kill something.

Czekoludek · August 2020

karekiz wrote: »

80k+ On classes that I play as DPS
70K+ on classes that I don't play as DPS

So lowest is 70K

I don't know why you have (Honest) though. It isn't like you can tell if they are.

Czekoludek wrote: »

Usually ppl who do 70k+ on iron, don't bother to pug.

I pug random on my tanks especially if they are new and I am just learning them. What better way to learn to play then when you have to struggle to actually kill something.

Well that's why i wrote "usually".

Casul · August 2020

My last 3 mil on my warden, rele briar stormfist, dual stat food so not a traditional parse food (10-12k HP), no tank or healer

45.6k

zvavi · August 2020

BuildMan wrote: »

My last 3 mil on my warden, rele briar stormfist, dual stat food so not a traditional parse food (10-12k HP), no tank or healer

45.6k

Sounds like a solid 75k with parse food on raid dummy.

Casul · August 2020

zvavi wrote: »

BuildMan wrote: »

My last 3 mil on my warden, rele briar stormfist, dual stat food so not a traditional parse food (10-12k HP), no tank or healer

45.6k

Sounds like a solid 75k with parse food on raid dummy.

Last time I did a 21 mil with dual stat was 65k. I'm building up a redguard stamblade. Excited to parse with it one it's finished.

zvavi · August 2020

BuildMan wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

BuildMan wrote: »

My last 3 mil on my warden, rele briar stormfist, dual stat food so not a traditional parse food (10-12k HP), no tank or healer

45.6k

Sounds like a solid 75k with parse food on raid dummy.

Last time I did a 21 mil with dual stat was 65k. I'm building up a redguard stamblade. Excited to parse with it one it's finished.

Trial dummy is there to test trial environment, you should totally use parse food since in trials you get extra 2 synergies (warden+Templar) and symphony+sentinel + 2 master resto staves (or at least should get them) for dungeons I would test on 3m, apply my own debuffs, and run my usual food.

(Seriously, I sustain better in trial with bistat than on trial dummy with parse food)

Kingslayer513 · August 2020

Tyrobag wrote: »

The poll isn't very useful since you didn't specify on what type of dummy. Using a prebuffed dummy will give you vastly different (and unrealistic) numbers verses a standard dummy. Most people also don't want to blow real $$ on buying the pre-buffed dummy either.

It's called a Trial Dummy and gives you buffs you can expect from an organized raid group. The reality is that your damage in an actual organized raid group will often be higher than on the dummy.

Stridig · August 2020

I cant get past 50k on trial dummy. Mag or Stam. Im stuck in that ballpark.

Everest_Lionheart · August 2020

Stridig wrote: »

I cant get past 50k on trial dummy. Mag or Stam. Im stuck in that ballpark.

There’s a couple plateaus I find I. The parsing journey. First big wall I hit was just over 25k, after that 35K and the same one at 50K you are on now. The averages are creeping up and the top line numbers are as well but the real difference maker if refining the rotation to eliminate the overcasting and just becoming faster at it while at the same time not going so fast that you get ahead of the GCD because your LA’s and skills won’t fire. Some channeled skills can be a bit funky with the weaving also.

Have a bunch of other members in one of my guilds at the same wall. Then suddenly the make a leap to 65-70K after putting in the work. All I can say is it’s a process.

Everest_Lionheart · August 2020

zvavi wrote: »

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This patch on my mDK on a trial dummy, I am right around 90k on average, with parses that flirt with 95k when I don't have any issues (either my fingers or performance) and decent crit RNG. My Stamplar was right around 95k last patch, but havent parsed with him at all this patch. My guild required a 90k parse to be top tier this patch, which I got on launch day pretty fast after making a few minor adjustments. I didnt realize for like an hour that Vamp increased your ulti cost, so I kept messing up and trying to cast an ult too soon. Haha

80k is really not hard to achieve on a lot of classes, assuming you have BIS gear, and a decent LA/Second ratio (.8-.85). If you want to break 90k, you need a LA ratio north of .9 on most classes in the current meta from my experience, and your rotation needs to be pretty much error free. The difference between 80-90k is much bigger than the difference between 70-80k.

Havent tried parsing with stranglers. I almost made a batch of 20 3 mil dummies for my house, you know, for science, but then I read the PTS patch notes...

been trying to hit 90k+ on my mdk but i just cant seem to break from the 86k mark ( other than the 1 time i hit 88k )

@W0lf_z13

First question would be, what is your LA/Sec Ratio. The difference between 86-90k could be as simple as the pace of your rotation. This patch, it was nothing groundbreaking. Only real changes from last patch were to drop VAS staff for 5 piece siroria front bar (paired with elf bane), using the vamp spammable, and I did go to Maw for the parse, but I also think Zaan and ilambris will be with in a few hundred DPS. Really like ilambris in actual content this patch on mDK (if running elf bane). I also stopped bash canceling, because its more trouble than its worth now (truthfully, I think it's always been more trouble than its worth).

Another thing that is helpful, not quite sure how you handle ultimates, but the best I have found is to go Standard, Meteor, Meteor, and Standard (which you hold until execute). 3 bloodthirsty is also important if trying to min/max a parse. That is more DPS than 3 standards, which is what you can also do, but the difference is a couple K. Having a standard for execute really helps when paired with bloodthirsty.

My rotation is pretty straight forward. Talons is the centerpiece. Talons, 8 skills, talons , 8 skills. I always cast Elemental blockade, trap, embers and engulfing in order (back bar). I opt for blockade over unstable wall. The later is more damage, but makes the rotation more complicated. I also manage eruption dynamical on the back bar. On the front bar, I manage FOO and Scalding Rune, dynamically (never recast FOO early). I opt for inner light over orbs, because it gave me sustain issues on a dummy. I do usually run orbs in actual content. Talons is always every ninth skill, otherwise, i am using the vamp spam. No real changes in execute, other than to perhaps get a little spammy right at the end. No reason to cast a DOT that wont run its full course. I am able to sustain this with just max magic food (no regen), but the purple bi-stat food (health magic)is what I use in actual content. Truthfully, very little difference between the two. You shouldnt need regen food.

I’m stuck at 53-57K on MagDK. Non vamp, no monster set but 1 piece slimecraw. running MS/Julianos (5 pc active both sets on both bars) Maelstrom backbar, gold weapons, purple body, blue jewelry 1 arcane and 2 BT. CP540

Rotation starting on backbar:
Trap>wall>scalding rune>Eruption>barswap
Embers>engulfing>FOO>whip> 3x Unreleting grip>whip>barswap

Repeat.

I’m using unrelenting grip for the sustain and procing max stacks on seething fury for my whip each time. I have inner light slotted on the backbar for the crit passive so both bars have it slotted and I can parse with cheap potions!

I like the idea of using burning talons but have no idea how to fit it in. I also have no idea how it works other than beyond what the tooltip says about the 4 second DOT. Are you using it to guarantee the burning proc? Is that something I could get from BSW in place of Julianos?

Unfortunately I’m on XB1 so no add ons to help so it’s all trying to read the crazy boxes in screen making dynamic rotations crazy hard. I find I overcast eruption 18 second dot but I get it down roughly every 14 seconds. I use the longer version of wall also because the 14 second MagDK dots just line up better so it’s one less timer to manage.

Anyway anything I should be doing differently other than selling out the the vamp meta just to change back in a few weeks?

If you are using chains to manage to sustain, I recommend understanding that not using chains but only whip will bring you more damage, so make sure you have enough resources by using chains, but you don't have to get to 3 stacks every time before whipping, because whipping early = more damage overall. Dropping them all together is the dream.
Burning talons are strong only if you use elfbane (making them from 4 second dot to 8 second dot essentially making them useful).

So if I complete my false god’s I should be able to get rid of my chain sustain crutch and whip more often. In place of chains would I slot inner light for parsing or molten armaments so I can use cheap trash pots? Or would another DOT be more appropriate?

Also good to know regarding talons and elf bane. I’m not sure I want to commit to the heavy set.

Wildberryjack · August 2020

Not sure but doubt it's that great. Reason? I don't have trial or dungeon sets, no monster sets, and no Maelstrom weapon. Reason? First I'm only an average player at best, second because my internet (or the game?) is very spotty and I get lag spikes and DC'd a lot so I rarely try that content. I'd love to give it a go but the ones I'm playing with would have to be ok with the possibility of my lagging out or disappearing

Knightpanther · August 2020

In Cyrodiil with the lag i do about 10k in 20mins

Be Safe

zvavi · August 2020

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

So if I complete my false god’s I should be able to get rid of my chain sustain crutch and whip more often. In place of chains would I slot inner light for parsing or molten armaments so I can use cheap trash pots? Or would another DOT be more appropriate?

Also good to know regarding talons and elf bane. I’m not sure I want to commit to the heavy set.

Idk man it depends on a lot of things, like your current gear+race (ps false god is getting nerfed while siroria buffed) generally going 7 light is great if your hp stands high enough from bistat anyway (the sustain gain is great, my tests show that it gives more sustain compared to lost damage if you compare it to swapping flame to mag steal glyph, only downside is lost hp)
I will be honest with you I last time I parsed on my mag dk was when trial dummy came out & I hit 72k with random rotation & gear (I think I was lazy & even used the 14 second wall instead of 10).
Aditional great sustain options on mag dk:
frontbar charged staff, will give you additional 200 mag/sec (or was giving me) in single target fight, losing 7% crit for it (8.4% next patch).
Use maw of the infernal, more burning procs=more sustain.

If I ever gear up my dk though I would definitely go zen+ms for trial setup, for the group!

Ysbriel · August 2020

I haven’t parsed in about 6 months..

Chufu · August 2020

I can do around 60k with my StamCro or MagCro/MagDK, but can't come up higher. Light attack weaving/animation cancelling is absolutely not mine so might be why it's not possible to make more.

But I also don't see the point at the moment in trying to make my fingers worse by just trying to pushing the LA weaving. Personally would be nicer to see HA weaving coming back, but well... I am probably alone with this thought. ^^

Casul · August 2020

Chufu wrote: »

I can do around 60k with my StamCro or MagCro/MagDK, but can't come up higher. Light attack weaving/animation cancelling is absolutely not mine so might be why it's not possible to make more.

But I also don't see the point at the moment in trying to make my fingers worse by just trying to pushing the LA weaving. Personally would be nicer to see HA weaving coming back, but well... I am probably alone with this thought. ^^

I am currently teaching 3-4 people in my guild DPS. They all have been tricked a little by LA wearing. So you're not alone. But I do honestly believe it is an important skill to pick up and practice with.