Tanks and bloodlords embrance?

Icaruzs · August 2020

Guys how do you feel about this item on tanks?

I'm using a tank warden (leveling still) and i rly want to use it for sustain. But what i've read about the item that it is rly bad.

Since monster sets like stone keeper and engine guardian helps with sustain problems with both stamina and magicka (the new eternal vigor set helps too)

I Was thinking in running ebon+lord warden/tremor scale/earth gore+ any sets that gives armor/health and stamina regen (dunno which set i will find with those perks)+ blood lords embrance.

Since tank warden uses a lot of magicka skills would it be good? I wouldn't have a stamina healing set but i would have endless magicka resource. Wouldn't need spell simetry too leaving a free slot.

What do you guys think? I'm targeting this tank for 4 man vet dlc group, not thinking in trials right know.

zvavi · August 2020

I don't have greymoor yet (didn't buy cause performance) so I didn't test it but:
It requires to block.
Only one enemy that usually attacks every 2 seconds making it below 50% uptime.
It will force me to drop symphony/yolna/alkosh and I am not willing.

FrancisCrawford · August 2020

zvavi wrote: »

I don't have greymoor yet (didn't buy cause performance) so I didn't test it but:
It requires to block.
Only one enemy that usually attacks every 2 seconds making it below 50% uptime.
It will force me to drop symphony/yolna/alkosh and I am not willing.

Why can't you single-bar each of your 5-piece sets? Especially Yolna.

FrancisCrawford · August 2020

One drawback of Bloodlord's Embrace is that you really don't want to bash anybody while you have it active.

So that raises the question -- is Crushing Shock (or similarly the bow equivalent) a full substitute for bash?

zvavi · August 2020

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I don't have greymoor yet (didn't buy cause performance) so I didn't test it but:
It requires to block.
Only one enemy that usually attacks every 2 seconds making it below 50% uptime.
It will force me to drop symphony/yolna/alkosh and I am not willing.

Why can't you single-bar each of your 5-piece sets? Especially Yolna.

If Bloodroot embrace took weapon slot I definitely would front bar alkosh xd jokes aside yolna front alkosh back will not be comfy in any content that hits me hard, I want to be able to take synergies on front bar.

FrancisCrawford · August 2020

zvavi wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I don't have greymoor yet (didn't buy cause performance) so I didn't test it but:
It requires to block.
Only one enemy that usually attacks every 2 seconds making it below 50% uptime.
It will force me to drop symphony/yolna/alkosh and I am not willing.

Why can't you single-bar each of your 5-piece sets? Especially Yolna.

If Bloodroot embrace took weapon slot I definitely would front bar alkosh xd jokes aside yolna front alkosh back will not be comfy in any content that hits me hard, I want to be able to take synergies on front bar.

I presume that's about weapon set rather than gear?

What kind of weapon do you back bar?

zvavi · August 2020

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I don't have greymoor yet (didn't buy cause performance) so I didn't test it but:
It requires to block.
Only one enemy that usually attacks every 2 seconds making it below 50% uptime.
It will force me to drop symphony/yolna/alkosh and I am not willing.

Why can't you single-bar each of your 5-piece sets? Especially Yolna.

If Bloodroot embrace took weapon slot I definitely would front bar alkosh xd jokes aside yolna front alkosh back will not be comfy in any content that hits me hard, I want to be able to take synergies on front bar.

I presume that's about weapon set rather than gear?

What kind of weapon do you back bar?

Tbh for tank I just due alkosh because I don't find any backbar option worthy (excluding my nb tank that has master resto backbar), and I don't like alkosh only on back because dungeons can be messy. Especially with pugs. For example they just like trying to nuke 2nd boss & ignoring adds when they have *** dmg. #tanking 3 stone watchers + boss for more than 30 seconds is horrible.

Playboy_Shrek · August 2020

bashing costs some stamina, sacrificing a monster set passive, or a 5 item passive for it. seems too much to me,

the defensive position arena set from AS is probably better

FrancisCrawford · August 2020

zvavi wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I don't have greymoor yet (didn't buy cause performance) so I didn't test it but:
It requires to block.
Only one enemy that usually attacks every 2 seconds making it below 50% uptime.
It will force me to drop symphony/yolna/alkosh and I am not willing.

Why can't you single-bar each of your 5-piece sets? Especially Yolna.

If Bloodroot embrace took weapon slot I definitely would front bar alkosh xd jokes aside yolna front alkosh back will not be comfy in any content that hits me hard, I want to be able to take synergies on front bar.

I presume that's about weapon set rather than gear?

What kind of weapon do you back bar?

Tbh for tank I just due alkosh because I don't find any backbar option worthy (excluding my nb tank that has master resto backbar), and I don't like alkosh only on back because dungeons can be messy. Especially with pugs. For example they just like trying to nuke 2nd boss & ignoring adds when they have *** dmg. #tanking 3 stone watchers + boss for more than 30 seconds is horrible.

I hear you.

But I was assuming that the front/back bar distinction is that you have something other than 1H&S on your back bar, so I was asking what you did have.

When I start tanking, I plan to do it with 1H&S on one bar and ice staff on the other, for a variety of obvious reasons, including that a newbie tank probably both will and should block more than an experienced veteran (because if you're going to get it wrong, blocking too much is better than blocking too little). But I'm guessing your back bars generally are not with weapons that have tanking passives, else you wouldn't be so concerned about which bar you take damage on.

Saubon · August 2020

zvavi wrote: »

I don't have greymoor yet (didn't buy cause performance) so I didn't test it but:
It requires to block.
Only one enemy that usually attacks every 2 seconds making it below 50% uptime.
It will force me to drop symphony/yolna/alkosh and I am not willing.

You can frontbar yolna, backbar alkosh and run monster set+mythic chest.

DKs can drop sustain monster set and sustain stam with DK shield+helping hands passive

FrancisCrawford · August 2020

Saubon wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I don't have greymoor yet (didn't buy cause performance) so I didn't test it but:
It requires to block.
Only one enemy that usually attacks every 2 seconds making it below 50% uptime.
It will force me to drop symphony/yolna/alkosh and I am not willing.

You can frontbar yolna, backbar alkosh and run monster set+mythic chest.

DKs can drop sustain monster set and sustain stam with DK shield+helping hands passive

Why not just block with ice staff instead? Is the mitigation difference really that significant?

zvavi · August 2020

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Saubon wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

I don't have greymoor yet (didn't buy cause performance) so I didn't test it but:
It requires to block.
Only one enemy that usually attacks every 2 seconds making it below 50% uptime.
It will force me to drop symphony/yolna/alkosh and I am not willing.

You can frontbar yolna, backbar alkosh and run monster set+mythic chest.

DKs can drop sustain monster set and sustain stam with DK shield+helping hands passive

Why not just block with ice staff instead? Is the mitigation difference really that significant?

Don't always have the luxury of barswap, for example dragon shout in vSS, I will end up being on a bar without heals too...and that's the problem, during high incoming damage I need to be on the bar with defensive skills, not utility skills.

I like how this thread became from "should I use bloodlord's embrance" to "why doesn't zvavi want to backbar his alkosh"

PS: if I was fine backbarring alkosh I would chose perfected master s/b over bloodlord's.

Icaruzs · August 2020

That's sad to hear, i wish i could use it on tanks. But i feel that magicka sustain usually is not a problem, stamina is harder to sustain

I wish we could use those mythical items, right now only the band of malacath and the wild hunt ring are used (stranglers will get nerfed to oblivium)

Vevvev · August 2020

Honestly if you build yourself right magicka shouldn't even be an issue. The set is pretty much worthless unless you plan on ice staff tanking since it only works on a single target, and the amount of magicka returned is more than what you spend on blocking with an ice staff.