I want to be able to kick people from my siege

Katheriah · August 2020

If you make decent use of sieges you sometimes leave the siege (to refresh buffs, heal, or use multiple sieges). Or in case of lancers when you put you don't automatically use the siege when you put it up. This gives *** a chance to use your siege. It really annoys me that people can use my coldfire ballista or lancer and I can't do anything about it.

Please give me a synergy or a whatever to kick scum from my own sieges.

Pretty please.

The Uninvited · August 2020

Katheriah wrote: »

If you make decent use of sieges you sometimes leave the siege (to refresh buffs, heal, or use multiple sieges). Or in case of lancers when you put you don't automatically use the siege when you put it up. This gives *** a chance to use your siege. It really annoys me that people can use my coldfire ballista or lancer and I can't do anything about it.

Please give me a synergy or a whatever to kick scum from my own sieges.

Pretty please.

Agreed, especially in the case of lancers.

Delsskia · August 2020

We'v e been asking for this over over 1/2 a decade.

Katheriah · August 2020

Delsskia wrote: »

We'v e been asking for this over over 1/2 a decade.

Well, I'm asking now and I'm asking it really nice. I said please and stuff like that. So now I'd like to know when we finally get this.

Major_Lag · August 2020

Please also make such a synergy physically kick the offending player's character from the keep walls straight into the horde of enemies below

Reverb · August 2020

I think it should actually be a toggle in the character settings, so you can set any siege you place to be usable by others or always locked to you.

xshatox · August 2020

Reverb wrote: »

I think it should actually be a toggle in the character settings, so you can set any siege you place to be usable by others or always locked to you.

This good idea actually.
Sometime I put some siege to be used when I see some player standing around doing nothing or just light attacking. Other time I dont want people to use my siege if its cold fire ballista or I am low on siege. If we can toggle these I can alternate the setting.

RobZha · August 2020

They could also add an option to lock in position. I don't care at all if people steal my siege, never have done. But one thing can bother me : if they take the siege then start moving it to attack some other area when you're wanting to focus on a target. If it's locked in position that's at least avoided.

That could also have downsides though if the target is down then other areas need focusing on with something like a coldfire ballista. I'm just remembering the only time it really bothered me : attacking a postern then someone stole a siege and started hitting the postern door which had no effect.

And I don't use coldfire a lot of the time so I've rarely if ever had that stolen, can see how that could be more annoying.

Katheriah · August 2020

Major_Lag wrote: »

Please also make such a synergy physically kick the offending player's character from the keep walls straight into the horde of enemies below

YES. Oh and while we're on it. I want to be able to set a custom message that will appear in the offender's screen when I kick him off my siege. I will promise not to curse (a lot).

Reverb wrote: »

I think it should actually be a toggle in the character settings, so you can set any siege you place to be usable by others or always locked to you.

Not a bad idea at all!

deleted221106-002999 · August 2020

Katheriah wrote: »

...Please give me a synergy or a whatever to kick scum from my own sieges...

You are far, far too kind and generous with your description of these siege stealing skeevers.

Reverb wrote: »

I think it should actually be a toggle in the character settings, so you can set any siege you place to be usable by others or always locked to you.

Absolutely this - there are definitely circumstances where it's strategically advantageous to allow/enable anyone on your side to use your siege and it should be auto-set on owner death.

And while you're at it, devs, make siege stackable in inventory. Also, give them slots in the new furniture eso+ furni-siege bag that should be incoming.

Also, siege scale models(different sizes but shiny like the dragon skull ruby furnishing thing I've seen, metallic maybe) furniture for old style war-games for housing. And/Or just deployable/usable siege as furniture for 'ballista at dawn' duels in Coldharbour retreat floating island house.....

karthrag_inak · August 2020

This one fears the possibility of siege engines being placed in good positions, then abandoned and locked. could this not happen?

deleted221106-002999 · August 2020

Fair point - but no more valid than a troll grabbing your siege as is and neutralising its utility by not using it or deliberately turning it away from siege targets.

edit: I think some already deploy siege as a means to block more effective siege use, like dropping multiple ballista to prevent ram deployment.

To be fair I've seen the former once and never the latter; I've no idea, though, if my anecdotal experience is reflective of the amount of this sort of 'counter-play' that actually happens.

Katheriah · August 2020

Souterain wrote: »

Katheriah wrote: »

...Please give me a synergy or a whatever to kick scum from my own sieges...

You are far, far too kind and generous with your description of these siege stealing skeevers.

I'm naturally a kind and forgiving person.

Reverb · August 2020

Souterain wrote: »

Fair point - but no more valid than a troll grabbing your siege as is and neutralising its utility by not using it or deliberately turning it away from siege targets.

edit: I think some already deploy siege as a means to block more effective siege use, like dropping multiple ballista to prevent ram deployment.

To be fair I've seen the former once and never the latter; I've no idea, though, if my anecdotal experience is reflective of the amount of this sort of 'counter-play' that actually happens.

Rams go over ballista, that’s the best possible use of space is to drop 3 ballista as close together as possible at the door, then set up a ram and roll it over top of the ballista into place.

adirondack · August 2020

Twice today I had a person grab my lancer as I was putting it in place. Lag is so bad this can take several seconds. Each time the thief used my lancer until enemies came and burnt it.

Lancers during lag are so slow to fire they are about useless anyway so I’m just done with them.

Nice idea ZOS but execution failed expectations. Oh well. Cold fire are generally better anyway.

imredneckson · August 2020

Having it as a bonus to ESO+. I think ZO$ will be happy to do it if they can get some extra money from PvP

doomette · August 2020

adirondack wrote: »

Twice today I had a person grab my lancer as I was putting it in place. Lag is so bad this can take several seconds. Each time the thief used my lancer until enemies came and burnt it.

Lancers during lag are so slow to fire they are about useless anyway so I’m just done with them.

Nice idea ZOS but execution failed expectations. Oh well. Cold fire are generally better anyway.

This sort of stuff makes me never want to use the single lancer I’ve gotten so far (RNG has not been kind). Heck, I get annoyed when some horker starts using my plain ol’ siege instead of getting their own, I’d be livid if someone did this to my only lancer.

Katheriah · August 2020

imredneckson wrote: »

Having it as a bonus to ESO+. I think ZO$ will be happy to do it if they can get some extra money from PvP

Lol, TBH I'd even agree with this. I don't care how, just make me able to kick people from my stuff.

Major_Lag · August 2020

karthrag_inak wrote: »

This one fears the possibility of siege engines being placed in good positions, then abandoned and locked. could this not happen?

Most sieges decay very quickly when left unmanned. Takes only about a minute, or only slightly longer than that.

Rams are an exception to this "fast decay rule" - but then again, rams work in a very different way than the other sieges to begin with.
Which does occassionally lead to some griefing happening, when some troll places a ram of your alliance's color very far away from the door (usually all the way behind the keep or outpost), as it isn't possible to place a 2nd ram when there's already one deployed.

Raudgrani · August 2020

Indeed. All I can do now is whisper them "BUY YOUR OWN SIEGE!!!", but I doubt they understand that, or anything else for that matter. It's incredibly annoying, as you might want to take it down before they feel like leaving it, naturally...

dem0n1k · August 2020

Yep. I hate it when I am running multiple siege & have a rhythm going & some nub jumps on one of them & starts shooting a postern door ;_; I used to msg them in the past to ask them to get off it.. but found it often led to a salty whinge session from them. "Wah wah we are all in the same faction.. why can't I use anyone's siege!?" O_o

Katheriah · August 2020

Soooo, when will it be implemented?

Beardimus · August 2020

Katheriah wrote: »

If you make decent use of sieges you sometimes leave the siege (to refresh buffs, heal, or use multiple sieges). Or in case of lancers when you put you don't automatically use the siege when you put it up. This gives *** a chance to use your siege. It really annoys me that people can use my coldfire ballista or lancer and I can't do anything about it.

Please give me a synergy or a whatever to kick scum from my own sieges.

Pretty please.

It's handy that you can put stuff down for others..

But yep when you are Emperor and people think they helping by firing some in your set.... annoying

And the D Bags that turn siege around on your own alliance