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EXP scrolls should not be time-based

WastedJoker
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Having EXP scrolls be time-based punishes those who

1. Take time to ready all the quest dialogue
2. A queueing for dungeons and don't want to lose queue progress because it pops as you're transitioning zones

It's just difficult to maximise XP in a time period due to queue times, spawn times, as well as real-world interruptions.

The CP boost method where you gain XP at an increase for x amount of EXP earned is much more user-friendly and should be the way EXP scrolls work.

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  • SamanthaCarter
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    Very good idea
  • SamanthaCarter
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    For once ^^
  • VaranisArano
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    Then I suspect that exp scrolls would become rarer.

    Right now, ZOS hands them out like candy. In part that's to help new players to catch up, but it also helps make the whole problem of "My exp scroll is about to run out!" less punishing because they are freebies that we get frequently. I've got a not-so-small stockpile of them sitting in my bank from the daily login rewards, and I doubt I'm alone in that.
  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    I'm against this idea. I'm pretty certain, if zos changes the xp value to be some fixed number, I'll get much less xp per scroll than I get now.
  • redspecter23
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    I prefer them time based as it allows high xp/minute activities to provide maximum benefit. Basically, I like them the way they are for the same reasons you don't.

    I'm not against adding in new scrolls (that don't stack with current ones) that are based on xp earned instead and work basically like enlightenment does currently. However, taking what we already have away from us isn't cool.
  • AlnilamE
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    So remove XP scrolls and add another 100% to Enlightenment? (like make enlightenment give you x5 XP instead of x4)?

    I don't particularly care for XP scrolls. I use them mostly when I have a dozen master writs to hand in, and then the rest of the time just runs out.

    But if you want the buffs to be XP based rather than time based, then you'd have to remove them and add them to enlightenment, because imagine trying to keep track of several different XP bars at once (for the different XP buff levels from the different scrolls we have now)
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  • redspecter23
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    AlnilamE wrote: »
    So remove XP scrolls and add another 100% to Enlightenment? (like make enlightenment give you x5 XP instead of x4)?

    I don't particularly care for XP scrolls. I use them mostly when I have a dozen master writs to hand in, and then the rest of the time just runs out.

    But if you want the buffs to be XP based rather than time based, then you'd have to remove them and add them to enlightenment, because imagine trying to keep track of several different XP bars at once (for the different XP buff levels from the different scrolls we have now)

    Then they would do nothing for new toons under level 50. It would be nice to add it all into one neat little bar, but part of the point of xp scrolls is to help leveling lowbies. Removing that functionality would be a tradeoff most wouldn't be willing to make.
  • Taleof2Cities
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    Then I suspect that exp scrolls would become rarer.

    Right now, ZOS hands them out like candy. In part that's to help new players to catch up, but it also helps make the whole problem of "My exp scroll is about to run out!" less punishing because they are freebies that we get frequently. I've got a not-so-small stockpile of them sitting in my bank from the daily login rewards, and I doubt I'm alone in that.

    ^This.^

    There's really no need to micromanage XP gain with the plethora of scrolls that ZOS divvys up.

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  • LuxLunae
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    And yet, I am surprised nobody has said the obvious here...

    When a player is outside of battle, stop the timer 1-5 minutes ( I would say after 1 minute but in cyro pvp the server waits to give exp and AP for some reason...i am not sure if you can use exp scrolls in cyro) after the last the battle. When they go into battle start the timer instantly.

    Although in pvp ZoS in battle mode has been known to hang for a while.
  • Nairinhe
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    LuxLunae wrote: »
    And yet, I am surprised nobody has said the obvious here...

    When a player is outside of battle, stop the timer 1-5 minutes ( I would say after 1 minute but in cyro pvp the server waits to give exp and AP for some reason...i am not sure if you can use exp scrolls in cyro) after the last the battle. When they go into battle start the timer instantly.

    Although in pvp ZoS in battle mode has been known to hang for a while.

    Fighting isn't the only way to gain experience
  • Bucky_13
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    LuxLunae wrote: »
    And yet, I am surprised nobody has said the obvious here...

    When a player is outside of battle, stop the timer 1-5 minutes ( I would say after 1 minute but in cyro pvp the server waits to give exp and AP for some reason...i am not sure if you can use exp scrolls in cyro) after the last the battle. When they go into battle start the timer instantly.

    Although in pvp ZoS in battle mode has been known to hang for a while.

    The main way I farm xp on my alts is by doing alchemy & enchanting master writs, I usually craft everything, then pop the xp scroll. Zero combat involved, but I usually gain 5-10 levels in a minute or two depending on how many writs I have on hand.

    You can use xp scrolls in Cyro, not really worth it unless you have a ton of them.

    Overall, I don't see the point in changing on the xp scrolls work, xp is easy enough to come by and if you plan around xp scrolls you get a ton of xp out of them. For example, when doing a daily dungeon, wait to pop the scroll until after the first boss, by that time you usually know if the group will complete the dungeon or not. Once the dungeon is over, either farm dolmens, skyreach or something similar to get the most out of the remainder of the xp bonus.

    As for questing, it's kind of bad there unless you're doing delve quests and make sure to kill the delve boss for the first time on that char as that gives a nice chunk of extra xp. But again, for all my alts I've never wished the xp scrolls worked differently.
  • BNOC
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    OP you're already not realising potential exp bonuses by doing low rewarding quests and you're asking for a change that will punish stronger players.

    The suggested change is one that penalises those that are more efficient than you.

    They throw scrolls about these days so unless you're buying them, you're getting free exp as it is, even if you're reading dialogue.
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  • redlink1979
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    I prefer them time based as it allows high xp/minute activities to provide maximum benefit. Basically, I like them the way they are for the same reasons you don't.
    BNOC wrote: »
    OP you're already not realising potential exp bonuses by doing low rewarding quests and you're asking for a change that will punish stronger players.

    The suggested change is one that penalises those that are more efficient than you.

    Agree. XP scrolls are fine as they are.

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  • EvilAutoTech
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    Most of the xp scrolls that are given in the daily rewards last 2 hours, just like the daily rewards food item. The food can be a good timer if you don't, or can't, use add-ons. When the food buff expires, you pop the food and the xp scroll. I have used this to keep alts on a continual xp buff from level 3 to level 50.
  • bmnoble
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    No, you get large numbers of the scrolls for nothing, its up to you when you use them and how efficiently you use them, you can get a lot of use out of a single scroll if your smart about how you use them, if they changed it to a fixed value they would be far less useful.

    I can gather a large number of master writs pre craft the items and turn them in one after the other, to the point my entire inventory is filled with them and get millions of XP in one go, I don't anymore though since I reach CP810 long ago and there is currently no point in doing so but I used that method to gain the last 100 or so CP I needed to reach CP810 because I was getting sick of not having enough CP points for builds recommend in various guides, so I used that method to rush the final leg.

    With fixed XP values that would not be possible and other efficient methods of XP gain would be penalized in the same way being unable to get the kind of XP they could get grinding due to going through the scrolls so quickly if they were fixed values.



    My main complaint about the XP scrolls is not being able to cancel the buff, I don't care about losing the XP scroll got so many of them with a dedicated storage chest for all the daily log in rewards I might just use some day.

    Why might someone want to cancel the buff on an activated scroll you ask? I used one by mistake during a double XP event, when leveling a character one of the free 2hr 50% xp boost scrolls you get from leveling an alt, when I had wanted to use one of the Mythic ambrosia potions instead with the 150% xp boost.

    It was only then that I learned I could not cancel the buff from the character screen like other buffs, since then I make a point of destroying the character bound xp scrolls when I level characters, the bound ones I can just put in the storage chest.

    First world problems I know and not a priority issue that ever needs to be addressed since they are most likely made that way so people don't cry about having wasted their scrolls to support but its something that annoys me, should be an option for it in the settings the same as the prevent attack innocents one.




    Aside from that as mentioned I have a storage chest full of daily log in rewards with large numbers of xp scrolls I might never use but keep anyway would be nice if they added a means of combining scrolls into higher xp versions.

    For example turning 3 of the 50% xp scrolls into a single 150% xp scroll instead, I would be more willing to use a scroll for one hour instead of 3 to get the same result.
  • TwinLamps
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    well, maybe we could have different type of XP scrolls that work as OP suggested
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  • Mettaricana
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    Neverwinter does a exp scroll its like the champion enlightenment we got where its like the next 4 mil exp gained is x4 when using the scroll they uad like 50k, 100k, 1mil etc scroll they weren't time based just amount of exp based
  • WastedJoker
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    Thanks for the responses, all, some very good points raised for and against.

    Let me guess, someone stole your sweetroll!
  • Odovacar
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    When grinding a fresh new character to my roster I have a semi-decent method to get all I can from them (150% ones). First I queue for a BG (my first daily of the day) while I wait I'm doing Dolemans in Alik'r. I enter the BG and right before it ends (if we're winning or 2nd) I pop my 150%. Then when I exit I'm put directly back to the dolman train with plenty of enemies to kill while I queue for my daily dungeon. I do that dungeon and get my boosted XP then back to the desert for mindless grinding until 50. With all training gear and a 150% popped at all times I usually can get the new character to 50 within 7 1/2 - 8 hours wasting little as possible xp scroll time. Not perfect but it has been my way for years.
    Edited by Odovacar on August 4, 2020 2:39PM
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