Proposed U27 - Abilities Affected

Kungfu · July 2020

Let's not complain here. Instead, let's give Rich Lambert & PVP Devs a list of abilities that would be unusable with a global (or individual) 3 second CD ****AND**** suggestions for changes that could make them work.

For example, I am an experience Magplar in Cyro. Some thoughts I have:

Obvious is Templar Jabs. I would be fine if Jabs became a single-target... perhaps with a debuff to make up for the loss in aoe pressure? Or potentially provide a better ranged attack. Like increasing range on javelin again or significantly decreasing the cast time on Dark Flare. I still think Jabs would be fine in PVP as a single target.
Whirlwind & morphs - To be fair, I think this might actually need to do MORE damage than it does now if it can only be cast once every 3 seconds. It does tons of damage now but quite often takes 2 or 3 of them to *actually* execute someone with resists >25k.

One question I have to ask: 2H weapon passive for splash damage - does this make all 2H abilities technically AOE?

What else can you suggest that the devs look at? I'm sure mine are obvious. But I would love to help and getting lists together for THEM to pay close attention to only serves to help us in the long run.

DUTCH_REAPER · July 2020

DK Inhale , talons, Eruption, The ults? Im not sure if ults are on the timer or not. i would assume not.

NB Sap

DUTCH_REAPER · July 2020

Cleave
Arrow Spray
Volley
Wall of Elements
Impulse
Streak

Kungfu · July 2020

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

Cleave
Arrow Spray
Volley
Wall of Elements
Impulse
Streak

Death to streak? HAHAH YES PLEASE!
But only because I can't sorc. I suck at sorc and am thoroughly jealous of those who do well with it.

DUTCH_REAPER · July 2020

FINALLY i can kill those cowards trying to streak away!

DUTCH_REAPER · July 2020

Spin to win
Impulse

danthemann5 · July 2020

It's going to be a LONG list, hence the problem with the proposed 3 second cooldown for any and all AOE abilities.

Groups running around spamming Noxious Breath or Cleve aren't lagging out and desyncing the server, which is why this ham-fisted approach is so...(I'm at a loss for words).

DUTCH_REAPER · July 2020

Lotus Fan

angelofdeath333 · July 2020

(rubbing My hands in cloak with just single target abilities) cant say i am sad for all the zerglings spamming caltrops/whirwind/jabs and breath of life like there's no tomorrow!
And the infinite rapid regen spam

Tommy_The_Gun · July 2020

Nightblade:
- Lotus Fan
- Path of Darkness
- Aspect of Terror
- Consuming Darkness (ult, but you can not cast other AOE for 3 seconds).
- Soul Shred (same as above, GG NB bombers).
- Sap Essence

Werewolf:
- Brutal Pounce
- Roar
- Infectious Claws
(3/5 WW toolkit lol)

Weapon (Bow):
- Volley
- Arrow Spray

Weapon (2H):
- Stampede
- Brawler

Alliance War (Assault)
- Echoing Vigor
- Caltrops

FrancisCrawford · July 2020

Turn Evil and the Nightblade fear. No need to recast them within 3 seconds, obviously, but a global cooldown on AoEs would include them along with damage.

Similarly, most Restoration Staff skills.

ealdwin · July 2020

From the Announcement Thread:
Credit @Temeraire507

Temeraire507 wrote: »

So based on the PTS Patch Notes v6.1.2 and these lines stated there:

These tests will ultimately make it more difficult for AOE abilities to be the only abilities used, and we’ll be adjusting cooldown, cost and regen values of all AOEs (damage and healing).

Abilities which meet the following criteria have been flagged for being subject to this test:
The ability’s initial cast requires a radius to function. This includes abilities like Breath of Life that require a radius check to fire its heal at the appropriate target.
If an ability is a single target ability that has an area component and has no cast time.

I have made a little list of abilities targeted by the tests and planned changes based on that information, of course we will only know for sure when the tests are held but the notes were relatively clear in their wording. I thought this could still add something to the ongoing discussions. This took a little time so my apologies if someone else was faster and this is not necessary anymore.

Class
Dragonknight
Ardent Flame

Dragonknight Standard and Morph
Fiery Breath and Morphs
Inferno and Morphs

Draconic Power

Dragon Leap and Morphs
Volatile Armor Morph
Dark Talons and Morphs
Inhale and Morphs

Earthen Heart

Magma Arnor and Morphs
Stonefist and Morphs
Molten Weapons and Morphs
Obsidian Shield and Morphs
Ash Cloud and Morphs
Necromancer
Bone Tyrant

Pummeling Goliath Morph and Ravenous Goliath Morph
Death Scythe and Morphs
Bitter Harvest and Morphs
Bone Totem and Morphs
Grave Grasp and Morphs

Grave Lord

Frozen Colossus and Morphs
Riccochet Skull Morph
Blastbones and Morphs
Boneyard and Morphs
Skeletal Mage and Morphs - requires a scan if you don't direct the target to attack but is a pet so I'm not sure
Shocking Syphon and Morphs

Living Death

Reanimate and Morphs
Render Flesh and Morphs
Life amid Death and Morphs
Spirit Mender and Morphs - requires a scan for sure but is a pet so I'm not sure
Restoring Tether and Morphs
Nightblade
Assassination

Lotus Fan Morph

Shadow

Consuming Darkness and Morphs
Path of Darkness and Morphs
Aspect of Terror and Morphs
Summon Shade and Morphs - requires a scan if you don't direct the target to attack but is a pet so I'm not sure

Siphoning

Soul Shred and Morphs
Strife and Funnel Health Morph
Malevolent Offering and Morphs
Drain Power and Morphs
Sorcerer
Daedric Summoning

Summon Storm Atronach and Morphs
Summon Unstable Familiar and Morphs - maybe, it is a semi-permanent Pet but obviously requires scan and the Ability (save for Clannfear) is definitely an AoE effect not sure if this counts but it might count if they really go all out on these criteria
Daedric Curse and Morphs
Summon Winged Twilight and Morphs - maybe, same as Summon Unstable Familiar safe for its activateable Ability

Dark Magic

Negate Magic and Morphs
Encase and Morphs
Daedric Mines and Morphs

Storm Calling

Overload and Morphs
Mages Fury and Morphs
Lightning Form and Morphs
Lightning Splash and Morphs
Power Surge Morph
Bolt Escape and Morphs - Ball of Lightning is debateable, the ball it places might count as secondary area component though
Templar
Aedric Spear

Radial Sweep and Morphs
Puncturing Strikes and Morphs
Explosive Charge Morph
Spear Shards and Morphs
Sun Shield and Morphs

Dawn's Wrath

Nova and Morphs
Reflective Light Morph
Solar Barrage Morph
Purifying Light Morph
Unstable Core Morph

Restoring Light

Rite of Passage and Morphs
Rushed Ceremony and Morphs
Healing Ritual and Morphs
Restoring Aura and Morphs
Cleansing Ritual and Morphs
Rune Focus and Morphs
Warden
Animal Companions

Feral Guardian and Morphs - maybe, this is a semi-permanent pet but it probably needs to scan an area for its targeting if you don't command it
Scorch and Morphs
Growing Swarm Morph

Green Balance

Secluded Grove and Morphs
Fungal Growth and Morphs
Healing Seed and Morphs
Living Vines and Morphs
Lotus Flower and Morphs

Winter's Embrace

Sleet Storm and Morphs
Frost Cloak and Morphs
Impaling Shards and Morphs
Arctic Wind and Morphs
Frozen Gate and Morphs

Weapon
Two Handed
Stampede Morph
Cleave and Morphs
Reverse Slice Morph
One Hand and Shield
Deep Slash Morph
Dual Wield
Lacerate and Morphs
Whirlwind and Morphs
Blade Cloak
Shrouded Daggers Morph
Bow
Volley and Morphs
Arrow Spray and Morphs
Destruction Staff
Elemental Storm and Morphs
Force pulse Morph
Wall of Elements and Morphs
Shock Clench Morph
Impulse and Morphs
Restoration Staff
Panacea and Morphs
Grand Healing and Morphs
Regeneration and Morphs
Blessing of Protection and Morphs
Steadfast Ward and Morphs

World
Soul Magic
Shatter Soul Morph
Soul Splitting Trap Morph
Werewolf
Pack Leader Morph and Werwolf Berserker Morph - maybe, since the Direwolfs require area scan and the berserker heavy attacks are technically an area component
Brutal Pounce Morph
Roar and Morphs
Infectious Claws and Morphs
Vampire
Swarming Scion Morph
Mesmerize and Morphs
Blood Mist Morph

Guild
Fighters Guild
Dawnbreaker and Morphs
Silver Shards Morph
Circle of Protection and Morphs
Expert Hunter and Morphs
Trap beast and Morphs
Mages Guild
Meteor and Morphs
Magelight and Morphs
Fire Rune and Morphs
Psijic Order
Time Stop and Morphs
Undaunted
Blood Altar and Morphs
Trapping Webs and Morphs
Necrotic Orb and Morphs

Alliance War
Assault
War Horn and Morphs
Vigor and Echoing Vigor Morph
Rapid Maneuver and Morphs
Caltrops and Morphs
Magicka Detonation and Morphs
Support
Barrier and Morphs
Siege Shield and Morphs
Purge and Morphs
Revealing Flare
Volendrung - probably also a target as it would be odd if it bypassed the rules for AoE's
Ruinous Cyclone
Rourken's Rebuke
Pariah's Resolve

Athyrium93 · July 2020

@ealdwin I also compiled a list, but only have class skills skills on it, would you mind if I used your list for the weapon and guild skills? I'm going to try to get a whole graphic worked up to help people that want to test during the Cyrodiil event.

Here's what I've got so far.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iatvMmeYa1Q174xBPE3apkJqRGCa65Wq8zE_7YrlDpE/edit?usp=sharing

ealdwin · July 2020

@Athyrium93

Hats off to you for what you have so far, the graphic will certainly be helpful going forward into the Cyrodiil testing.

The list isn't mine, credit goes to @Temeraire507 for compiling it, though as everything on it is public knowledge, I don't see any problems with you using it.

Kungfu · July 2020

Awesome y'all!

Thank you for adding so much to this list. Hopefully your work will help ZOS make our game better

DUTCH_REAPER · July 2020

Thank you ealdwin

Kungfu · July 2020

Thanks to this list, I will commit to testing every individual ability above for Magplar and Magblade and will put together some posts with as objective an opinion I can on my findings.

I'm pretty sure I've got one person here who will commit to testing the MagDK abiilities.

ealdwin · July 2020

One interesting observation from the bit of testing I managed to get in on the pts today, is that it appears that skills are currently set up for the second week of testing, where each ability has its own individual cooldown. What is interesting is that different skills have different length cooldown timers. For example, on the Templar I set up today:

Puncturing Sweeps: 3 second cooldown
Honor the Dead: 1 second cooldown
Extended Ritual: 5 second cooldown
Channeled Focus: 3 second cooldown

Inner Light: 5 second cooldown

(Interestingly with Inner Light, the duration of the ability is 5 seconds, meaning that the cooldown essentially prohibited any premature casts)

Temeraire507 · July 2020

My List featured all abilities fitting the definition ZOS provided, however ZOS excluded a few abilities in some of the tests without telling us. While this of course could be unintended and/or could very well change before the live tests, this thread:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/539584/i-tested-many-abilities-on-the-pts-to-see-what-they-restricted-here-are-my-results/p1
by @Woosters compiled most of the data from the PTS Tests on whether or not abilities were affected. Some of these abilities seem to have been affected differently in different tests though, since I have seen different results on whether or not they were. Also some of the abilities not affected seem a bit questionable and could well be oversights or bugs (for instance Strife not being afected when Funnel Health is).

Athyrium93 · July 2020

@ealdwin @Temeraire507 @Woosters

I've got a Google Spreadsheet going that compiles all of your testing as well as my own (and flags skills that don't seem to follow the rules properly) if you guys or anyone else wants to jump in and edit it with any updates/new results from testing or share it with friends/guilds/whoever feel free.

I'm going to try to keep it updated as more info comes out, but it's set as a public document so feel free to add/change/whatever.

Here's the link

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oLi-c3U3eWbjwUH26_8Uq0Hyb8cFJf-_vhJ7q6T0oL8/edit?usp=sharing

Zahirr · July 2020

Rolling on the floor at stonefist. Its the single worst skill in the game, completely unused.... and its getting yet another nerf.

Honestly, itll all be worth it for a templar nerf though. Lets be honest, jabs was overperforming, and being able to purge 5 debuffs makes you almost immune to dot builds

Dagoth_Rac · July 2020

Mages Fury is a bad execute in PvE as it is. If you cannot spam it during end of boss fights, it becomes even worse. Yet another skill where the cooldown could make sense in PvP but not PvE. Although sometimes it is vice-versa. There are times in PvE where the nature of your rotation makes a 3-second cooldown no big deal. But in the more reactive play of PvP, it could be a huge problem to be locked out of certain skills for 3 seconds.

Kungfu · July 2020

Hold on...
AM I on the forums?

Am I really looking at a constructive post where people are helping?
YOU ALL rock

Unfortuntely, I'm only just now getting PTS installed. But I will get on your doc tonight @Athyrium93 and help in every way I can.

ArctosCethlenn · July 2020

Malevolent Offering is an aoe because it heals one person *in front of you*? What backward-ass logic is that?