Minor Slayer on a Monster Set:

adilazimdegilx · July 2020

With the incoming changes on some old sets, I tried to build around with them on PTS. War Maiden, Advancing Yokeda, Medusa, Elemental Sets etc. are all looking good now. That being said, Minor Slayer being a free stat on core trial sets forces me too use one of them in every combination. Like we are doing since the introduction of the buff in Vicious Ophidian and Infallible Aether.

So I thought if there was another source for minor slayer (which doesn't suck too much) maybe we could have more diversity on Dps sets (especially between classes since some new sets are better on specific classes).

A Monster set with minor slayer bonus comes to mind first. For example, a set that can be used on both magicka and stamina like domihaus would be good for minor slayer. It is just an example though, there would be many other ways to put the buff in a Monster Set.

Another implementation could be adding minor slayer to Hard Mode challange (could be only on DLC dungeons too), maybe similar to perfected ideas, perfected monsters helms with minor slayer. It could be even tied to those dungeons' achievements similar to some furnishing sales.

Bonus, this wouldn't effect PvP even slightly so no need to worry about that part.

I didn't forget Minor Aegis. It can also be on another monster set.

pink_panther · July 2020

Yes, it'd be a nice addition.

I really would like that. But also if they would remove minor slayer from all sets (ofc replace it with an other not too op effect) and rather give every class an ability that gives it.

Forces people to run trials all the time and it's very annoying to find a group for more than one run. Hate the trial grind and there are no real replacements without losing tons of dps.

I would like for that "1 one or 2 sets are must have because they are so much stronger than everything else meta" to go.

WrathOfInnos · July 2020

Sure, I like options and this could be interesting. I will say that combining two non-slayer sets is always an option. With group buffs the “5%” ends up closer to 3% damage, and a typical Spell Crit bonus lands somewhere around 2.5% DPS, so it really comes down to picking 5pc bonuses that work for a build. For example BSW + Sorrow outperforms either of those sets with PFGD on PTS.

Tommy_The_Gun · July 2020

Tbh. It would be nice, but it is a very "content specific" buff. Pretty much only useful in Trials or harder dungeons and only if you try to min-max stuff.

Also, I would sat that it would be pretty weak if 2 pcs bonus monster set would have only:

"Increases damage done to Dungeon and Trial Monsters by 5%."

...as it does not work in overland or pvp. The bonus is simply disabled / inactive 95% of times.

It would either had to have some other effect on its 2 pcs bonus or VERY strong 1 pcs bonus.

Kittytravel · July 2020

No, because (comment)

I only put no because in a rare moment for ZOS Minor Slayer does a good job at self-balancing Trial sets as they release them preventing them from being stacked effectively. The only reason I don't like it on monster sets is because the buff itself also prevents better 5 piece sets from being used because missing out on the benefits of Minor Slayer is too good.

However Monster Sets themselves don't parse as well as the better 5 piece sets in almost every case and the addition of one as a Monster Set effect would immediately make room for the better options that 5 piece sets currently offer. This is of course not in reference to Tanks/Healers but more DPS.

But I'm not entirely against the idea and can definitely see the merit... I'm just not sure how much it would change the meta and if it'd be a good change or if we would see the exit of most trial DPS sets in favor of better counterparts.

Nemesis7884 · July 2020

it would be fine, however i much prefer sets that have some active component, procs, acitve involvement of skills or group play etc.. passive bonuses are just so boring

_Kaziel_ · July 2020

Yes, it'd be a nice addition.

Good idea!

mairwen85 · July 2020

No, because (comment)

There are already incredibly powerful monster sets, defensive and offensive; these in general provide enough for their respective build options. Currently the only way to get access to slayer is via a trial set, and not always via the full 5pc of said sets, and trial sets also drop on normal mode so players aren't required to run vet trials for access to slayer--there are enough options already. Basically, I don't feel it suits the purpose of a monster set to provide slayer (locks the set in for use in trials and dungeons only [wasted bonus]), after all, that's the job of a trial set.

Playboy_Shrek · July 2020

tbh, I think the "slayer" buff and all dungeon/trial/arena buffs are the worst thing in the game as they literally beat other sets to death out of relevancy.

mairwen85 · July 2020

No, because (comment)

Playboy_Shrek wrote: »

tbh, I think the "slayer" buff and all dungeon/trial/arena buffs are the worst thing in the game as they literally beat other sets to death out of relevancy.

Depends. 5% is not a huge amount. There are sets that stand up against that on pure stats alone. 5% of nothing is still nothing. You have to be able to do the damage to be buffed in the first place. Pfgd + ms, isn't that much better than julianos + ms, in fact it's the 5pc on false god (cost reduction and rebate) that wins out in that scenario, not the slayer buff. Similarly, siroria isn't that impressive in raw stats, but its an escalating damage set (with a movement restriction); unless you get a decent time on that circle of might, the 5% slayer bonus wont mean much at all.

As for the other buffs, those are only present from group utility. In other words their relevance is from organisational grouping. You won't get them unless you want them.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · July 2020

No, because (comment)

I just like the fact there's a reward that can only be gotten from 12-man content.

adilazimdegilx · July 2020

Yes, it'd be a nice addition.

I understand the concerns. I also added another implementation idea to first post.
Normal Trials are currently joke at this point so it is not really a reward for accomplishment. And I still think trial sets should stay in meta but with maybe with a little less gap. They are already nerfing all perfected trial dps sets, so instead of that maybe we could get this so other sets can come in closer.

BRCOURTN · July 2020

There is a better option for that: (your idea)

Theres already a monster set that gives an 8% damage boost. Why would i exchange it for a 5% damage boost only in dungeons and trials?

WrathOfInnos · July 2020

BRCOURTN wrote: »

Theres already a monster set that gives an 8% damage boost. Why would i exchange it for a 5% damage boost only in dungeons and trials?

I think the idea would be for the 1pc bonus to be Minor Slayer, and still have a different 2pc bonus. Also consider that Slimecraw’s Minor Berserk is useless in dungeons and trials if you have a healer with Combat Prayer.

josiahva · July 2020

Yes, it'd be a nice addition.

ANY monster helm that is NOT a proc helm would be a welcome addition...I hate the fact so few monster sets are non-proc....I don't want procs, I want reliable usable stats

adilazimdegilx · July 2020

Yes, it'd be a nice addition.

BRCOURTN wrote: »

Theres already a monster set that gives an 8% damage boost. Why would i exchange it for a 5% damage boost only in dungeons and trials?

As @WrathOfInnos said, minor berserk from Slimecraw is pointless in group content. Healers provide that, stamina can also get it from Camo Hunter while flanking, which isnt that hard.

Main idea is somehow putting minor slayer in at least one monster set. Optimal way to put it may vary.

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