MaleAmazon wrote: »

I´d like to give this both agree, insightful and awesome.

The problem fundamentally lies with ZOS. Their poor naming interferes with QoL (items not sorted by sets in inventory, and search on text doesn´t work with items not named after the set) and this too.

ESO has always had a bad UI in several respects, and even after improvements, it is still bad and not even addons can completely remedy it.

TBH I hadn´t even noticed the restricted scaling since IIRC these used to just scale with your level, period. (I could be wrong).

I don´t think you can really go after the sellers. Some people, I´m sure, do it deliberately - but if I sold them myself I might not even have given it a second thought if MM gave me a certain price or if I got things mixed up by myself. So it might not be an intended scam. I see absurd prices on a regular basis, on all sorts of things, and I have no idea how they came to be.

ZOS just needs to put this on a to-do-list. And then actually do it.

Just another reason to be self-reliant and have a dedicated crafter, I guess.

(Now my problem is if I should get the recipes on my current crafter, or my new main character... hmm... I guess I´ll get the relatively cheap recipes for my current crafter and save the expensive ones for down the line completionism on my main...)

I agree, you cant really go after the sellers, since we don't know if its deliberate or not.. Thats also a reason why i opened that thread, to raise awareness and maybe, just maybe, intervention from ZOS...

Cani wrote: »

"old" Scampot



Compared to

Are you suggesting that the first one be renamed to "Essence of Spell Power, Spell Critical and Minor Breach(self)" and the second "Essence of Spell Power, Spell Critical and Magicka Recovery"?

On one hand I think it wouldn't harm anyone to change it, on the other hand, my evil alter ego says: good, learn to read :P

MaleAmazon wrote: »

Are you suggesting that the first one be renamed to "Essence of Spell Power, Spell Critical and Minor Breach(self)" and the second "Essence of Spell Power, Spell Critical and Magicka Recovery"?

I mean, it is somewhat odd that they are called what they are called, in the first place.

Renaming could be awkward, but they could make the beneficial effects be in green-tinted text, self-detrimental effects be in red, and the level could be more clear as well - since CP150-160 is the highest level and I assume is the lvl of the vast majority of sold items, it could be tinted gold.

Potions are named after the first effect they have.

But I absolutely agree that colour coding would help. On top of having beneficial effects in green and negative effects in read I propose:

Dropped potions = White
Crafted potions with 1 effect = green
Crafted potions with 2 effects = blue
Crafted potions with 3 effects = purple

Which is what food does.

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

It's pretty easy to avoid from the buyer's perspective, especially in any quantity that would matter.

People shouldn't try to trick people on the market, but I don't think it's a widespread problem. Just don't buy them.

That first kind of spell scam potions have been around for longer time now and annoyance for buyers, but there is something different in these two:

Crafted potions have always different kind of potion bottle icon, when they are low level.
So if someone would even try to craft level 10 spell power potions, the icon would display right away to the buyer that there is something wrong.

However that is not the case with these Alliance Spell Draught potions:
No matter what is the level of your character when you buy the potion, the icon does not visually change.
The potion looks and is named exactly the same, no matter what is the level.

And that's when it becomes annoying:
I know by a fact that there are people, who needs A LOT and I know someone who bought even 16 stacks of them, just to find out that they were all fake.

And yes, people could say:
"Learn to read, hover over the item with your mouse and see what does it include."

Yes, everyone should do that. But:
Not everyone use addons, not everyone can see MM/ATT warnings about different item ID and their changed profit margins.
If someone needs multiple stacks and finds a seller who can provide multiple in stores, how many people go to hover over every single listings of the same item, from the same seller, before they spam E and buy them all?
Sad for them if in between were added fake level 10 potion listings.

And this is why I think it would be about a time that ZOS make some QOL - changes and improve the visuals and possible the name of the item to help buyers to spot difference between fake and real spots easier way.
That would not harm anyone else than those who are intentionally trying to take advantage of players which are less careful on what kind of potions they are about to purchase.

I mean they can just give potions actual names?

Like "Malacaths Potion of death" or something, same as they do with other things.

Right this has nothing to do with clarity. It's just bad.

carlos424 wrote: »

Cani wrote: »

I wanted to start a discussion about the naming and / or the icons on the potions that get sold by the PVP Vendors.

Ever since they got changed they are now a very popular way of making gold off your banked Alliancepoints. The problem however is that the power and the price scale with the Level of the buyer.


Now some people took this opportunity to find yet another way to scam unsuspecting players of their hard earned gold, this is unacceptable.

It's is really hard to distinguish between the lvl 10 Pots and the cp 150 ones that are used for various things in this game. This is the same issue as the naming of the "Essence of Spellpower" potions that have been used to scam people for a really long time now. And its left for us guildmasters to monitor our guildstores which is in and of itself "part of the job", but there is a chance we miss somebody who sells them..

If somebody is not aware of this, they might be out for hundreds of thousands of gold, since those pots are sold for around 160-200g each.


This is hurtful to the player who buys them, to the guild and to the community.

So here i am now, imploring ZOS, that they please change the naming / icons / scaling of those pots. If there is a chance to scam players, there are people out there who will take advantage of this.

And if you are already on that issue, please change the other Scampots aswell which have been a plaque on traders forever!

"old" Scampot



Compared to



"new" Alliance scampot



compared to

Arent the alliance spell pots 720 AP no matter what level the character that purchased them? If so, why would anybody waste AP to buy and sell level 10 pots? Seems like either they are just trolling or maybe there is a market for these types of pots. How about low level battlegrounds?

They scale on the level of the buyer

Safest is to farm or buy the mats and make your own.

I don't see much of a problem, myself. Note that I do not buy or sell* potions, so I'm not speaking based on any personal experiences in that, but more from a general viewpoint. (*On occasion I've sold potions that someone asked me to craft for them, but in general I don't craft potions or anything else to sell at guild traders.)

The Level is displayed within an item's description, even if it isn't reflected in the item's name-- which it may or may not be, as in the case of Enchanting and Alchemy items versus armor and weapons. When you're shopping at a guild trader, you can-- and should-- examine the item's description carefully to make sure it's what you're looking for as far as its level and specific traits, enchantments, gear set, alchemical effects, and so on. If you don't do that, and end up buying something you thought was going to be something else, then I think that's pretty much on you.

As for Alliance potions, their levels are dependent on the levels of the players who found them by killing Imperials in Cyrodiil, received them from the Silent Whatchamacallher in an Outlaws Refuge, or bought them from Alliance vendors. Based on what I see in zone chat, a lot of players like to sell every single thing they find (unless it's some BIS META whatsit that they want to keep and use themselves), and that means you're going to see items for sale at guild traders with names that don't vary based on their levels, and that could potentially be any level. You cannot, and should not, assume that a given item has a given level; you should always examine it before buying it to be sure.

Also, if I need to go shopping at the guild traders for some mat, motif, or fragment that I need, I nearly always go to the TTC website first and search for it so I can try to get the best possible price. I don't remember if the in-game guild trader UI lets you specify the desired level, but the TTC website does. If you're shopping for something in particular, I highly recommend using TTC to look for it-- and if the item's level can vary, then specify the level you're looking for in the search criteria.

If it's an Alchemical item that will have a particular name regardless of how many different effects it has, make sure you look at its description before you buy it to see how many effects it has and what its secondary or tertiary effects are.

I can agree people selling the lower level potions for the same price as the max level ones are scammers but if your gonna spend a lot of gold shopping take the time to look before rushing to click buy its that simple.

That said people should still be able to sell the lower level potions at a realistic price for players of the under 50 campaign and leveling while doing battlegrounds, there is no way to justify them being the same price as the max level ones.

Not sure if you can use the guild store filters to filter out the lower level potions/consumables or not when shopping, since I make my own.

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

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New players would actually need the low level potions...

For the first day or two of playing, perhaps. New players will be level 50, even CP160, long before they feel confident with the game and are aware of the pitfalls of the inconsistent and sometimes confusing UI design, and a level 10 item would actually not be needed by many players. There really is no denying that the user interface makes it unnecessarily easy to overlook that an item is of a lower level than what you wanted, or like the original "scam potions", that the potion is actually spoiled by a negative effect instead of the arguably most important effect (magicka replenishing).

TES III: Morrowind used to name any crafted potions with a negative side effect "spoiled potion of X". That would solve the original problem. To rectify the problem of mistakenly buying a lower level item, I would suggest adding a warning prompt saying "You are buying an item of less than maximum level. Is that what you want?" It would create minor annoyance by requiring extra clicks for the rare occasions when you are actually looking for a lower level item, but the UI is full of clunky interactions already.