Whatever Happened to the Plan to Update the Vampire Appearance?

Vevvev · June 2020

Back in the Pre-PTS for Greymoor we saw some of ZOS's ideas for updating the appearances of the stages to go more inline with the feeding reversal. Instead of looking more shriveled you ended up looking more "filled" with blood. Darker and more redder skin tone at stage 4 in contrast to the current Live version of stage 4 which is bleached out, shriveled up, and looks starved.

((What stage 4 was planned to look like))

I know the community was not happy about all the unhideable blood spot visuals when we saw it, but the actual skin itself wasn't that bad. Will we be seeing something like this in the future or has the entire concept been scrapped?

((Edited for clarification))

Bradyfjord · June 2020

I think it's been placed in the same queue as Adventure Zones. Which is basically saying 'probably never'.

Snipes007 · June 2020

Thank you was looking forward to the change and very disappointing they left it out.

Aliyavana · June 2020

Wow that looks a lot better

Kadoin · June 2020

We don't talk about that...

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe · June 2020

I'm so glad they didn't take away our current appearance. I don't appreciate having my beloved characters, whom I created visually around the current appearance, being forced into skill changes, much less appearance changes. I even created a very accurate Maormer with the vampirism...I would be quite angry to have that taken away. Solution would be for those of you who want a new appearance, to have Zos either let you earn or buy such a new skin, like the bloodfiend skin.

Daemons_Bane · June 2020

I would prefer some WW love instead.. they could use some updates in the appearance section

Vevvev · June 2020

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

I'm so glad they didn't take away our current appearance. I don't appreciate having my beloved characters, whom I created visually around the current appearance, being forced into skill changes, much less appearance changes. I even created a very accurate Maormer with the vampirism...I would be quite angry to have that taken away. Solution would be for those of you who want a new appearance, to have Zos either let you earn or buy such a new skin, like the bloodfiend skin.

Their original goal was to leave stage 1 vampirisim alone but change the visuals of stages 2-4 so instead of looking shriveled up you looked more filled. The current appearances worked well for the old system, but almost make no sense for the new one.

Also I know a friend who RPs a maormer so I know what you're talking about. This idea wouldn't effect that original stage 1 look at all.

Thevampirenight · June 2020

Vevvev wrote: »

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

I'm so glad they didn't take away our current appearance. I don't appreciate having my beloved characters, whom I created visually around the current appearance, being forced into skill changes, much less appearance changes. I even created a very accurate Maormer with the vampirism...I would be quite angry to have that taken away. Solution would be for those of you who want a new appearance, to have Zos either let you earn or buy such a new skin, like the bloodfiend skin.

Their original goal was to leave stage 1 vampirisim alone but change the visuals of stages 2-4 so instead of looking shriveled up you looked more filled. The current appearances worked well for the old system, but almost make no sense for the new one.

Also I know a friend who RPs a maormer so I know what you're talking about. This idea wouldn't effect that original stage 1 look at all.

Something I hope they do they need to make that change.

Thevampirenight · June 2020

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

I'm so glad they didn't take away our current appearance. I don't appreciate having my beloved characters, whom I created visually around the current appearance, being forced into skill changes, much less appearance changes. I even created a very accurate Maormer with the vampirism...I would be quite angry to have that taken away. Solution would be for those of you who want a new appearance, to have Zos either let you earn or buy such a new skin, like the bloodfiend skin.

Here is the thing the vampire appearance desperately needs an update.
The Vampire system I think was a quick job they just slapped on some eye shaders and skin shaders and and random coloring called it a day.
Some people do like it but most hate the look. They hate they can't see their tattoos they hate that there is no fangs.
The Stage Three and Four eye shades are really bad looking especially on certain races like Humans they look somewhat better on elves. Some races it looks better on then others. It just need to be updated period along with the werewolf models . The overhaul I'm talking about is changing the stage three and four vampire eyes to more crimson they can keep the vainly lines at stage four but at least give us the Blood Red eyes as seen on the Daedric Prince Mephala I want those exact eyes for stage three and four vampires.

They also should update the models so they have fangs as well and also make it so tattoos work with the vampire skin but they can keep the snow white pale look for them like they have now, keeping some things the same about it but I do really want to see it updated.

You see those nice eyes she has? That is what I want to see on stage three and four vampirism.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · June 2020

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

I'm so glad they didn't take away our current appearance. I don't appreciate having my beloved characters, whom I created visually around the current appearance, being forced into skill changes, much less appearance changes. I even created a very accurate Maormer with the vampirism...I would be quite angry to have that taken away. Solution would be for those of you who want a new appearance, to have Zos either let you earn or buy such a new skin, like the bloodfiend skin.

Here is the thing the vampire appearance desperately needs an update.
The Vampire system I think was a quick job they just slapped on some eye shaders and skin shaders and and random coloring called it a day.
Some people do like it but most hate the look. They hate they can't see their tattoos they hate that there is no fangs.
The Stage Three and Four eye shades are really bad looking especially on certain races like Humans they look somewhat better on elves. Some races it looks better on then others. It just need to be updated period along with the werewolf models . The overhaul I'm talking about is changing the stage three and four vampire eyes to more crimson they can keep the vainly lines at stage four but at least give us the Blood Red eyes as seen on the Daedric Prince Mephala I want those exact eyes for stage three and four vampires.

They also should update the models so they have fangs as well and also make it so tattoos work with the vampire skin but they can keep the snow white pale look for them like they have now, keeping some things the same about it but I do really want to see it updated.

You see those nice eyes she has? That is what I want to see on stage three and four vampirism.

That is Mephala, funny enough though some Volkihar Vampires like Serana have eyes like her.

Thevampirenight · June 2020

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

I'm so glad they didn't take away our current appearance. I don't appreciate having my beloved characters, whom I created visually around the current appearance, being forced into skill changes, much less appearance changes. I even created a very accurate Maormer with the vampirism...I would be quite angry to have that taken away. Solution would be for those of you who want a new appearance, to have Zos either let you earn or buy such a new skin, like the bloodfiend skin.

Here is the thing the vampire appearance desperately needs an update.
The Vampire system I think was a quick job they just slapped on some eye shaders and skin shaders and and random coloring called it a day.
Some people do like it but most hate the look. They hate they can't see their tattoos they hate that there is no fangs.
The Stage Three and Four eye shades are really bad looking especially on certain races like Humans they look somewhat better on elves. Some races it looks better on then others. It just need to be updated period along with the werewolf models . The overhaul I'm talking about is changing the stage three and four vampire eyes to more crimson they can keep the vainly lines at stage four but at least give us the Blood Red eyes as seen on the Daedric Prince Mephala I want those exact eyes for stage three and four vampires.

They also should update the models so they have fangs as well and also make it so tattoos work with the vampire skin but they can keep the snow white pale look for them like they have now, keeping some things the same about it but I do really want to see it updated.

You see those nice eyes she has? That is what I want to see on stage three and four vampirism.

That is Mephala, funny enough though some Volkihar Vampires like Serana have eyes like her.

Exactly that is why they have no excuse not to do it we know full well they can do so if they wanted and I think they should because it looks so much better then the current vampire eyes for stage three and four vampires. It would also go good with the new vampire visuals.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · June 2020

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

I'm so glad they didn't take away our current appearance. I don't appreciate having my beloved characters, whom I created visually around the current appearance, being forced into skill changes, much less appearance changes. I even created a very accurate Maormer with the vampirism...I would be quite angry to have that taken away. Solution would be for those of you who want a new appearance, to have Zos either let you earn or buy such a new skin, like the bloodfiend skin.

Here is the thing the vampire appearance desperately needs an update.
The Vampire system I think was a quick job they just slapped on some eye shaders and skin shaders and and random coloring called it a day.
Some people do like it but most hate the look. They hate they can't see their tattoos they hate that there is no fangs.
The Stage Three and Four eye shades are really bad looking especially on certain races like Humans they look somewhat better on elves. Some races it looks better on then others. It just need to be updated period along with the werewolf models . The overhaul I'm talking about is changing the stage three and four vampire eyes to more crimson they can keep the vainly lines at stage four but at least give us the Blood Red eyes as seen on the Daedric Prince Mephala I want those exact eyes for stage three and four vampires.

They also should update the models so they have fangs as well and also make it so tattoos work with the vampire skin but they can keep the snow white pale look for them like they have now, keeping some things the same about it but I do really want to see it updated.

You see those nice eyes she has? That is what I want to see on stage three and four vampirism.

That is Mephala, funny enough though some Volkihar Vampires like Serana have eyes like her.

Exactly that is why they have no excuse not to do it we know full well they can do so if they wanted and I think they should because it looks so much better then the current vampire eyes for stage three and four vampires. It would also go good with the new vampire visuals.

Well not all Vampire clans look the same, the problem here though is they would also need to change the Blood Scion's eyes as well, it shares the same eyes as the stage 4 Vampire.

Thevampirenight · June 2020

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

I'm so glad they didn't take away our current appearance. I don't appreciate having my beloved characters, whom I created visually around the current appearance, being forced into skill changes, much less appearance changes. I even created a very accurate Maormer with the vampirism...I would be quite angry to have that taken away. Solution would be for those of you who want a new appearance, to have Zos either let you earn or buy such a new skin, like the bloodfiend skin.

Here is the thing the vampire appearance desperately needs an update.
The Vampire system I think was a quick job they just slapped on some eye shaders and skin shaders and and random coloring called it a day.
Some people do like it but most hate the look. They hate they can't see their tattoos they hate that there is no fangs.
The Stage Three and Four eye shades are really bad looking especially on certain races like Humans they look somewhat better on elves. Some races it looks better on then others. It just need to be updated period along with the werewolf models . The overhaul I'm talking about is changing the stage three and four vampire eyes to more crimson they can keep the vainly lines at stage four but at least give us the Blood Red eyes as seen on the Daedric Prince Mephala I want those exact eyes for stage three and four vampires.

They also should update the models so they have fangs as well and also make it so tattoos work with the vampire skin but they can keep the snow white pale look for them like they have now, keeping some things the same about it but I do really want to see it updated.

You see those nice eyes she has? That is what I want to see on stage three and four vampirism.

That is Mephala, funny enough though some Volkihar Vampires like Serana have eyes like her.

Exactly that is why they have no excuse not to do it we know full well they can do so if they wanted and I think they should because it looks so much better then the current vampire eyes for stage three and four vampires. It would also go good with the new vampire visuals.

Well not all Vampire clans look the same, the problem here though is they would also need to change the Blood Scion's eyes as well, it shares the same eyes as the stage 4 Vampire.

I fully support them changing the Blood Scion eyes as well. Me personally really want to see it changed for the humanoid model. But it would look nice on the blood scion as well those eyes and make it look a little better at the same time.

Josira · June 2020

What happened?
The same thing that happened to a rework that had effort put into it.
But you know. so long as blood frenzy continues to tick all the boxes as to what it means to be a vampire all is good in the world.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · June 2020

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

I'm so glad they didn't take away our current appearance. I don't appreciate having my beloved characters, whom I created visually around the current appearance, being forced into skill changes, much less appearance changes. I even created a very accurate Maormer with the vampirism...I would be quite angry to have that taken away. Solution would be for those of you who want a new appearance, to have Zos either let you earn or buy such a new skin, like the bloodfiend skin.

Here is the thing the vampire appearance desperately needs an update.
The Vampire system I think was a quick job they just slapped on some eye shaders and skin shaders and and random coloring called it a day.
Some people do like it but most hate the look. They hate they can't see their tattoos they hate that there is no fangs.
The Stage Three and Four eye shades are really bad looking especially on certain races like Humans they look somewhat better on elves. Some races it looks better on then others. It just need to be updated period along with the werewolf models . The overhaul I'm talking about is changing the stage three and four vampire eyes to more crimson they can keep the vainly lines at stage four but at least give us the Blood Red eyes as seen on the Daedric Prince Mephala I want those exact eyes for stage three and four vampires.

They also should update the models so they have fangs as well and also make it so tattoos work with the vampire skin but they can keep the snow white pale look for them like they have now, keeping some things the same about it but I do really want to see it updated.

You see those nice eyes she has? That is what I want to see on stage three and four vampirism.

That is Mephala, funny enough though some Volkihar Vampires like Serana have eyes like her.

Exactly that is why they have no excuse not to do it we know full well they can do so if they wanted and I think they should because it looks so much better then the current vampire eyes for stage three and four vampires. It would also go good with the new vampire visuals.

Well not all Vampire clans look the same, the problem here though is they would also need to change the Blood Scion's eyes as well, it shares the same eyes as the stage 4 Vampire.

I fully support them changing the Blood Scion eyes as well. Me personally really want to see it changed for the humanoid model. But it would look nice on the blood scion as well those eyes and make it look a little better at the same time.

While they are at it they should probbaly make the Blood Scion look a bit less like a Vampire Lord, it is clear Bethesda did not want this so why did ZOS make it look similar? give them different armor, remove the Horns, they need to be creative.

Hell use Mephala's design as a prime example here, maybe keep your Normal Vampiric appearance but add extra parts to it.

Josira · June 2020

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

I'm so glad they didn't take away our current appearance. I don't appreciate having my beloved characters, whom I created visually around the current appearance, being forced into skill changes, much less appearance changes. I even created a very accurate Maormer with the vampirism...I would be quite angry to have that taken away. Solution would be for those of you who want a new appearance, to have Zos either let you earn or buy such a new skin, like the bloodfiend skin.

Here is the thing the vampire appearance desperately needs an update.
The Vampire system I think was a quick job they just slapped on some eye shaders and skin shaders and and random coloring called it a day.
Some people do like it but most hate the look. They hate they can't see their tattoos they hate that there is no fangs.
The Stage Three and Four eye shades are really bad looking especially on certain races like Humans they look somewhat better on elves. Some races it looks better on then others. It just need to be updated period along with the werewolf models . The overhaul I'm talking about is changing the stage three and four vampire eyes to more crimson they can keep the vainly lines at stage four but at least give us the Blood Red eyes as seen on the Daedric Prince Mephala I want those exact eyes for stage three and four vampires.

They also should update the models so they have fangs as well and also make it so tattoos work with the vampire skin but they can keep the snow white pale look for them like they have now, keeping some things the same about it but I do really want to see it updated.

You see those nice eyes she has? That is what I want to see on stage three and four vampirism.

That is Mephala, funny enough though some Volkihar Vampires like Serana have eyes like her.

Exactly that is why they have no excuse not to do it we know full well they can do so if they wanted and I think they should because it looks so much better then the current vampire eyes for stage three and four vampires. It would also go good with the new vampire visuals.

Well not all Vampire clans look the same, the problem here though is they would also need to change the Blood Scion's eyes as well, it shares the same eyes as the stage 4 Vampire.

I fully support them changing the Blood Scion eyes as well. Me personally really want to see it changed for the humanoid model. But it would look nice on the blood scion as well those eyes and make it look a little better at the same time.

While they are at it they should probbaly make the Blood Scion look a bit less like a Vampire Lord, it is clear Bethesda did not want this so why did ZOS make it look similar? give them different armor, remove the Horns, they need to be creative.

Hell use Mephala's design as a prime example here, maybe keep your Normal Vampiric appearance but add extra parts to it.

This^^
or at the very least...give us claw light and heavy attacks.

Vindold · June 2020

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

While they are at it they should probbaly make the Blood Scion look a bit less like a Vampire Lord, it is clear Bethesda did not want this so why did ZOS make it look similar? give them different armor, remove the Horns, they need to be creative.

Hell use Mephala's design as a prime example here, maybe keep your Normal Vampiric appearance but add extra parts to it.

My thought exactly the same...they should've made Ultimate form visually based on your race with some impressive additional vfx maybe, custom skeleton->unque animations for movement\combat, custom skill set with ability like idk floating or pseudo floating? fast mistform movement like we saw In CGI trailer.

It was a rough mistake to approve pseudo Vampire Lord form + they know what they are capable of, but at the end they even failed to animate wings and removed them...also Scion using our Sekeleton->Animations which just don't fit at all and looks cheap, imo. I think Scion should've it's own skeleton for custom movement\combat animations(claw attacks?) as well as it's own skill set, similar to our furry friends.

colossalvoids · June 2020

Was fairly disappointed of what we got on live, blood splatters were spot on being on armor/skins and all over the outfit.

ListerJMC · June 2020

I just want them to stop turning everyone white with it, I play a Redguard vampire and he's disproportionately affected by it vs. other humans. I respect that some people have built their looks around the skin (I have a friends with Maormer characters using vampirism too) but I find it to be really insensitive and was hoping to be given another alternative this year. It's a really bad design...

Deldour · July 2020

I had thought that they fixed the aesthetic issues with the vampire as I just got it today. I assumed there'd be some fade to my khajiit's dots all over (though idk the lore behind this), but I am admittedly pretty disappointed to see the facial markings I bought from the crates fade too. Why is this a thing?

Vevvev · July 2020

Deldour wrote: »

I had thought that they fixed the aesthetic issues with the vampire as I just got it today. I assumed there'd be some fade to my khajiit's dots all over (though idk the lore behind this), but I am admittedly pretty disappointed to see the facial markings fade too. Why is this a thing?

Layering

The vampire skin is placed above most cosmetics in this game so its layered above tattoos and other markings. Some of the crown store lip sticks though are layered over the vampire skin which is why they appear completely normal as opposed to the default ones which become faded. Also why scars, freckles, and other things become faded to, and is also the reason why khajiit and argonians become bleached out as well. The vampire look is a cheap skin instead of a proper character cosmetic change, which is why we also lack fangs.

Arunei · July 2020

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »

I'm so glad they didn't take away our current appearance. I don't appreciate having my beloved characters, whom I created visually around the current appearance, being forced into skill changes, much less appearance changes. I even created a very accurate Maormer with the vampirism...I would be quite angry to have that taken away. Solution would be for those of you who want a new appearance, to have Zos either let you earn or buy such a new skin, like the bloodfiend skin.

I'm pretty sure most of us who would prefer not to be so bleached/have various cosmetics become washed out or faded would be perfectly fine with a Skin we could use to appear mortal, or at least kind of what's pictured in the OP. I've been saying for years there should be some sort of Skin or toggle or something, or a new Stage added, anything that would give us the ability to hide the current appearance, but without taking it away from people who like the look of it. I personally have a character I wanted to make as white as possible so he's a Vamp, but for my others who can ICly hide it (as I RP a lot) it would be nice to be able to hide the Vamp appearance on them.

Nemesis7884 · July 2020

Bradyfjord wrote: »

I think it's been placed in the same queue as Adventure Zones. Which is basically saying 'probably never'.

Guess those are in the same folder as updating the champion points, class identity and power fantasy...

Arunei · July 2020

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Some people do like it but most hate the look. They hate they can't see their tattoos they hate that there is no fangs.

They also should update the models so they have fangs as well and also make it so tattoos work with the vampire skin but they can keep the snow white pale look for them like they have now, keeping some things the same about it but I do really want to see it updated.

Forgot to mention this in my post, but I haven't seen too many people 'hate' that Vamps in ESO don't have fangs. I personally don't want them; it always looks goofy to me when Vampire characters have overly-exaggerated fangs that protrude way passed their lips when their mouths are closed, and our characters don't spend enough time with their mouths open/teeth bared for 'normal' sized fangs to be all that obvious/apparent, especially not if our cameras aren't zoomed in. It bothered me to no end in Skyrim to see Argonians or Khajiit get these massive fangs when they became Vampires; they already had fangs, why did they need to double in size?

So on my end, most of what I see people hating about the appearance isn't a lack of fangs, it's that the Vampire appearance washes out a character even at stage 1, and makes many cosmetics faded and barely visible (or on Argonians, practically invisible at stage 4; my crafter main is an Argo vamp who I haven't bothered to move from stage 4 and every time I try to preview a tattoo or something on her I literally can't see it at all).

Edit to add apparently Vamps that were at stage 4 are already at stage 1 now? I don't remember lowering her stages any but apparently she's now stage 1 lol.