Loot Crates - Spend $150 = Pick a mount
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TheValkyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Anotherone773 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »
Its not predatory. You have gamblers remorse and want to put part of the blame on the business. A majority of players play this game every single day without ever once worrying about what is in those crates or obtaining it.Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »I got *** so hard this season that am ashamed of myself. For the sake of knowledge, I spent nearly $200aud and got a bear mount. Nothing else but gems and pretty dresses. I will be setting limiters on my spending per month on my card now. This has made me question a lot, I know, its my own fault, but I am ashamed. Been playing 5-6 years, i just wanted a radiant apex for once. i blame noone but myself.
Please, listen, dont get hooked on this junk. Its predatory.
In fact ESO has one of the least predatory MT systems of any game ive played and i play A LOT of games.
Star Wars The Old Republic, a free to play MMO, has a more fair cash shop model moving away from crates. Actually, everything in that game from the shop is tradeable for in game gold. That’s BioWare where EA is the publisher.
EA is doing better.
I’ll say it again for those in the back.
EA is doing better.
Then go play SWTOR??? Ill say it again for those in the back. Then go play SWOTR!
The comparison was being made between EA and ZOS.
I play both games already. Thinking that you can only play one game is non-sensical.
If EA can do it then ZOS can. It’s a competition and both titles are in the same market.
I would not consider SWTOR to be competition to ESO. One is a space fantasy RPG and the other is a medieval fantasy RPG. Some people happen to play both like i happen to play both EVE and ESO, but i would never consider them in competition with each other.
I also said nothing about only playing one game. That was an assumption you made. I currently play 3 MMOs and 2 non MMOs on a weekly basis.
SWTOR is most definitely competition to ESO. They are both MMORPGs. Sure, the setting is slightly different but let’s be real here.
Star Wars is just wizards in space.
Both games focus on bringing quality to the single player experience as well. They actually share quite a bit in common except ESOs commerce is definitely more predatory and obfuscated than SWTORs.4 -
Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Anotherone773 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »
Its not predatory. You have gamblers remorse and want to put part of the blame on the business. A majority of players play this game every single day without ever once worrying about what is in those crates or obtaining it.Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »I got *** so hard this season that am ashamed of myself. For the sake of knowledge, I spent nearly $200aud and got a bear mount. Nothing else but gems and pretty dresses. I will be setting limiters on my spending per month on my card now. This has made me question a lot, I know, its my own fault, but I am ashamed. Been playing 5-6 years, i just wanted a radiant apex for once. i blame noone but myself.
Please, listen, dont get hooked on this junk. Its predatory.
In fact ESO has one of the least predatory MT systems of any game ive played and i play A LOT of games.
Star Wars The Old Republic, a free to play MMO, has a more fair cash shop model moving away from crates. Actually, everything in that game from the shop is tradeable for in game gold. That’s BioWare where EA is the publisher.
EA is doing better.
I’ll say it again for those in the back.
EA is doing better.
Then go play SWTOR??? Ill say it again for those in the back. Then go play SWOTR!
The comparison was being made between EA and ZOS.
I play both games already. Thinking that you can only play one game is non-sensical.
If EA can do it then ZOS can. It’s a competition and both titles are in the same market.
I would not consider SWTOR to be competition to ESO. One is a space fantasy RPG and the other is a medieval fantasy RPG. Some people happen to play both like i happen to play both EVE and ESO, but i would never consider them in competition with each other.
I also said nothing about only playing one game. That was an assumption you made. I currently play 3 MMOs and 2 non MMOs on a weekly basis.
SWTOR is most definitely competition to ESO. They are both MMORPGs. Sure, the setting is slightly different but let’s be real here.
Star Wars is just wizards in space.
Both games focus on bringing quality to the single player experience as well. They actually share quite a bit in common except ESOs commerce is definitely more predatory and obfuscated than SWTORs.
Only in a broad sense.If i want to play wizards i play ESO if i want to play spaceships i play Eve. I dont want my sorcerer using lighting form in my duct taped Svipul or my Templar piloting my basilisk ( Broadcast for Breathe of Life!)0 -
Keledus✭✭✭Anotherone773 wrote: »Stop giving them wrong ideas.
It's not hard to put all the items from crown crates in the store for crowns.
If I have to pay 10,000 crowns for a mount of MY CHOICE, I'd be more likely to do that than buy 100 crown crates to have a chance at a mount.
Yes, loss of revenue for [Snip] bethesda but atleast shoving that gambling addiction down my throat stops and you'd do all your players a huge favor, but this most likely wont happen because companies dont act out of kindness and the moral, money is king and will always be.
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I would get more enjoyment out of opening 100 crown crates than i would owning any mount in this game. All the mounts are just reskins. However i do quite enjoy opening treasure chests. So i would be more likely to spend my money on crates than a random mount.
If you have a gambling addiction that is not the fault of zenimax or anyone else. The entire world cant walk around eggshells to accommodate personal needs nor is it fair to ask others to suffer and miss out because of YOUR ( general use of your) addiction. So that makes this argument pointless and selfish both.
I can control my gambling. I can walk in a casino with $5k in cash and $50k on credit cards spend 3 hours in there, do poorly and walk out with $4800 in cash and $50k on cards and be perfectly fine. had a great time. Why should i suffer and lose out on that experience because someone else cannot control themselves?
Corporations exist for the sole purpose of making a profit. That is literally why a corporation exists. Its not evil, its not immoral, and they are not out to get you. They want to make money by selling products and services. that is all. They dont do things out of kindness(usually) because they are a business not a charity. Charities do things out of kindness, businesses do things to make money.
Yes congratulations you can control it be proud! wow 5k into a casino and 50k on creditcard man please arrive in the real world. No gamer besides you is talking like this and we all know that gambling for a chance at a mount is too far.
Even if you are saying you can control it doesn't mean everyone can and if you look at most people they really can't.
It's a damn waste to spend 200-300 dollars gambling on crates and not getting anything out of it, it's literally throwing money away that can be spent elsewhere on more important things in life. Sure some have it easier but alot of the people dont.
And once they get into the gambling aspect of it it becomes a habit for alot of people, Oh cool new crown crates lets drop 300 bucks on this game to get absolute ***** out of it in return.
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250 dollars on average per mount when other games sell the mounts of your choice for 30-50 bucks, its greedy even if you can control your gambling thats besides the point, [snip]
Sure they exist of making a profit, but this goes too far and thats with every game not just Zenimax.
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madman65✭✭✭✭I expected the Apex Mounts to be UNIQUE from the other mounts but I could have settled with a Sorrel horse, First time buying crates and it will be my last!1 -
Old_Foggy✭✭✭✭I haven't bought a lot of crates but yesterday I bought the pack of four crates. I didn't expect a lot from them but there is always hope and luck either good or bad.
I did get lucky this time but know it won't happen very often.
1st crate main drop was the Draudach Mountain Bear.
2nd crate main drop was a Golden Sweetroll, which I converted for 400 Gems which I traded in for the Accursed Death Polymorth.
3rd crate main drop was a Blood Scion Razorguard.
4th crate, heck if I can remember to be honest.
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holden_caulfield✭✭✭So you're really ok with a virtual mount that has no additional perks besides it's looks costing $150? No wonder the crate scams continue [snip]
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It's not a scam. You can easily avoid them. You know that they are there to milk u.
They just have to make sure they don't sell them to minor.
But let's say I'm a sheikh. And i want my in game bugatti. I will drop my thousands $ on crates but I want to be sure that my bugatti is rare. As in life most of us have average things. Few have the best things.
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holden_caulfield✭✭✭And u know why do u really want a cosmetic thing? Because it is rare.
The moment they will make everything almost free ull want something else4 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nerdrage9000 wrote: »As title says.
When you drop $150 on crates - you get a prompt that allows you to pick any mount. Except for the 3 shiny ones with laser eyes.
You can still get the rewards per usual from however many crates you buy, but there should be a failsafe.
As a wise man once said; (I believe under legal duress in fact) - "I spin more rhymes than a lazy susan, and I'm innocent until my guilt is proven."
How bout no, how bout we just get to buy the mounts we want (not for $150 ffs, even the 3k crowns is extortionate) and straight up and dispense with gambling mechanics completely.2 -
holden_caulfield✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »Nerdrage9000 wrote: »As title says.
When you drop $150 on crates - you get a prompt that allows you to pick any mount. Except for the 3 shiny ones with laser eyes.
You can still get the rewards per usual from however many crates you buy, but there should be a failsafe.
As a wise man once said; (I believe under legal duress in fact) - "I spin more rhymes than a lazy susan, and I'm innocent until my guilt is proven."
How bout no, how bout we just get to buy the mounts we want (not for $150 ffs, even the 3k crowns is extortionate) and straight up and dispense with gambling mechanics completely.
Farm gold. Buy crowns. Open boxes. Profit. No money involved?
Do u understand that those things are virtual? They don't have any real value.
Only the market decides the price. It's not how much U can spend. ITs how much anyone would spend to have an unique set of pixel.0 -
Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭holden_caulfield wrote: »Grianasteri wrote: »Nerdrage9000 wrote: »As title says.
When you drop $150 on crates - you get a prompt that allows you to pick any mount. Except for the 3 shiny ones with laser eyes.
You can still get the rewards per usual from however many crates you buy, but there should be a failsafe.
As a wise man once said; (I believe under legal duress in fact) - "I spin more rhymes than a lazy susan, and I'm innocent until my guilt is proven."
How bout no, how bout we just get to buy the mounts we want (not for $150 ffs, even the 3k crowns is extortionate) and straight up and dispense with gambling mechanics completely.
Farm gold. Buy crowns. Open boxes. Profit. No money involved?
Do u understand that those things are virtual? They don't have any real value.
Only the market decides the price. It's not how much U can spend. ITs how much anyone would spend to have an unique set of pixel.
Man i totally forgot about this aspect. You dont even have to spend real money to buy crown crates. So that really makes it not gambling.0 -
Galwylin✭✭✭✭✭I've said before these mounts only exist to entice you to gamble for them. Many go on and on about whether its gambling like if the law changes then their statements were all lies. Problem to me is I have no issues with gambling. I enjoy and others enjoy it. But some can't stop at enjoyment. The desire for whatever they are after is much too powerful. And some just have this addiction to act of gambling itself. But the problem is there are no safeguards here. There are potentially no limit you will have to spend to get this item and companies are fine with that. That disturbs me. Not only morally and ethically but what it says about their viewpoint towards all of us. Are we all just cattle to be herded and slaughtered once they've learned our individual weaknesses? Maybe its fine and there's a ethical line they won't cross but the overall pricing on everything tells me different. Am I really expected to believe they think their playerbase is made up of entirely wealthy people with nothing better to do than buy virtual slot machine spins or they know exactly who they have playing and don't care at the toil this could take?
I can't answer many of these questions. Its too depressing to think about and I am missing that gene that allows me to care about the welfare of any company. Especially when their hand is constantly out no matter how much I've given. When someone tells you who they really are, believe them. I think that applies to companies too.1 -
illutian✭✭✭4. Ah, but the chances are not listed.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/49828
I stand corrected.
1) The outcome is guaranteed. You just want a different outcome. That is not the same thing. You are guaranteed to get 4 items of varying rarity. You are not guaranteed to get 4 items you want. You can also use gems obtained from undesirable items to buy all other items except a few items that are exclusive and reserved as rewards for opening the crate. Radiant Apex only drop from the 5th card which is a bonus card. When you buy a crate you buy 4 cards, not 5. And you can acquire any items that drop on those 4 cards with gems.
2) Its still not gambling. In order for something to be gambling there must be risk of loss. You "always win" with a crown crate because its not gambling. You are paying for 4 random items out of a list of items, If you dont get items you find desirable you can convert your items to gems and trade the gems for items you want. Again, the radiant apex drop from the 5th card and the 5th card is not one you are buying, it is a bonus card.
7) That is an opinion. I point you to the last couple of sentences in #6
8) Again your opinion and again see #4 and #6. Also the "get on my bandwagon " argument with FFXIV only works for gullible people, of which i am not one.
1. Didn't know they had actually posted the odds.
2. "2. take risky action in the hope of a desired result."; I spend money [the risk] in the hopes [implying a 'game of chance'] of getting the mount [the desired result]. Gambling. You can try and deny it all you like. If I told people if they give me $5 they have a chance at $100, but even if they don't win, I'll give them a $5 t-shirt. The authorities would be arresting me for running illegal gambling, and if I used the excuse you just provided. I'd be in jail.
-Your laws may be different, but here in this state, you do not run any kind of 'game of chance' that involves real money unless you are licensed to do so. You can have your friends over and play poker, but it'd better with with 'plastic disks'; once money gets involved, you're breaking the law.
9. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/467975/how-many-crates-on-average-does-one-need-to-buy-to-get-400-gems
-Doesn't look like a good conversion rate at all; ~15 crates or more for 400 gems (depending on your luck).
8. Point still stands. FF14, and any game that lacks lootboxes, offer a better 'deal' on their cash shop items than those that utilize lootboxes to get people to spend more than they would have.
I could go for the cop-out "Agree to disagree". But I don't care. I don't like lootboxes, it's my money, the company should be grateful I decided to give them some of it; they should let me pick what I want. They don't, so I don't give them much beyond the $16/mo.
((Meanwhile FF14's made about $300 off me just this year. In addition to my monthly sub. EVE Online's made ~$50 in addition to monthly sub. And even WoW made a few dollars extra in addition to monthly sub. - What do they all have in common? NO LOOT BOXES FOR MONEY! [In fact, EVE had the novel idea of gifting you lootboxes just for doing stuff in game! For free!
))
((Yes yes, "don't like it; don't play". Still like the game, just not the 'additional revenue' business model.))You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else.1 -
ForeverJenn✭✭✭I used to buy lootcrates under the idea that putting more revenue towards the game would subsidize those who do not. However, the lack of attention to critical things like performance makes me wonder where this money is going and makes me hesitant as a consumer.2
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Stx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is truly sad.
There are players in this game that are not only willing, but begging to pay $150.00 for a mount.
This is why ZOS gets away with despicable practices like crown crates and charging cash for mounts and cosmetics when they should be available to earn IN THE GAME.3 -
daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ForeverJenn wrote: »I used to buy lootcrates under the idea that putting more revenue towards the game would subsidize those who do not. However, the lack of attention to critical things like performance makes me wonder where this money is going and makes me hesitant as a consumer.
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By buying loot crates you no longer get to demand a functional game, as you've already got what you paid for - virtual goods. And the people you "subsidise" get no say because they don't pay for anything themselves.
Microtransactions remove any kind of accountability for the actual game. Not to mention the ways they ruin the game in order to drive sales.
[Edited to remove Non-Constructive/Rude Comment]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 3, 2020 4:34PM0 -
Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ForeverJenn wrote: »I used to buy lootcrates under the idea that putting more revenue towards the game would subsidize those who do not. However, the lack of attention to critical things like performance makes me wonder where this money is going and makes me hesitant as a consumer.
I use to buy lootcrates but then i took an arrow to the knee.0 -
TheValkyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Anotherone773 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »
Its not predatory. You have gamblers remorse and want to put part of the blame on the business. A majority of players play this game every single day without ever once worrying about what is in those crates or obtaining it.Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »I got *** so hard this season that am ashamed of myself. For the sake of knowledge, I spent nearly $200aud and got a bear mount. Nothing else but gems and pretty dresses. I will be setting limiters on my spending per month on my card now. This has made me question a lot, I know, its my own fault, but I am ashamed. Been playing 5-6 years, i just wanted a radiant apex for once. i blame noone but myself.
Please, listen, dont get hooked on this junk. Its predatory.
In fact ESO has one of the least predatory MT systems of any game ive played and i play A LOT of games.
Star Wars The Old Republic, a free to play MMO, has a more fair cash shop model moving away from crates. Actually, everything in that game from the shop is tradeable for in game gold. That’s BioWare where EA is the publisher.
EA is doing better.
I’ll say it again for those in the back.
EA is doing better.
Then go play SWTOR??? Ill say it again for those in the back. Then go play SWOTR!
The comparison was being made between EA and ZOS.
I play both games already. Thinking that you can only play one game is non-sensical.
If EA can do it then ZOS can. It’s a competition and both titles are in the same market.
I would not consider SWTOR to be competition to ESO. One is a space fantasy RPG and the other is a medieval fantasy RPG. Some people happen to play both like i happen to play both EVE and ESO, but i would never consider them in competition with each other.
I also said nothing about only playing one game. That was an assumption you made. I currently play 3 MMOs and 2 non MMOs on a weekly basis.
SWTOR is most definitely competition to ESO. They are both MMORPGs. Sure, the setting is slightly different but let’s be real here.
Star Wars is just wizards in space.
Both games focus on bringing quality to the single player experience as well. They actually share quite a bit in common except ESOs commerce is definitely more predatory and obfuscated than SWTORs.
Only in a broad sense.If i want to play wizards i play ESO if i want to play spaceships i play Eve. I dont want my sorcerer using lighting form in my duct taped Svipul or my Templar piloting my basilisk ( Broadcast for Breathe of Life!)
There’s are even classes/adv classes called Sith Sorceror, Sith Warrior, Sith Marauder, Jedi Guardian, Jesus Sage, Jedi Consular....
It’s wizards in space. Lol1 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is truly sad.
There are players in this game that are not only willing, but begging to pay $150.00 for a mount.
This is why ZOS gets away with despicable practices like crown crates and charging cash for mounts and cosmetics when they should be available to earn IN THE GAME.
I prefer that monetization comes from the product. Subscriptions, game licenses, expansions, DLC, and that sort of thing. When people buy those things, the drive to do so tends to come from the game, the quality of the game, and the satisfaction with the game. The studio will have to focus on those things in order to make money.
Oddly enough, I sense that many studios feel that the game is the last thing they want to pay attention to. The cash store and loot boxes are products of fancy-pants monetization ideas, and that is where their money comes from. Studios just make games to lure in players. It does not even matter whether the game is popular, or even any good. It just needs to sound that way long enough to lure in a few "whales" and monetize them. The game is just bait.
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holden_caulfield✭✭✭I've said before these mounts only exist to entice you to gamble for them. Many go on and on about whether its gambling like if the law changes then their statements were all lies. Problem to me is I have no issues with gambling. I enjoy and others enjoy it. But some can't stop at enjoyment. The desire for whatever they are after is much too powerful. And some just have this addiction to act of gambling itself. But the problem is there are no safeguards here. There are potentially no limit you will have to spend to get this item and companies are fine with that. That disturbs me. Not only morally and ethically but what it says about their viewpoint towards all of us. Are we all just cattle to be herded and slaughtered once they've learned our individual weaknesses? Maybe its fine and there's a ethical line they won't cross but the overall pricing on everything tells me different. Am I really expected to believe they think their playerbase is made up of entirely wealthy people with nothing better to do than buy virtual slot machine spins or they know exactly who they have playing and don't care at the toil this could take?
I can't answer many of these questions. Its too depressing to think about and I am missing that gene that allows me to care about the welfare of any company. Especially when their hand is constantly out no matter how much I've given. When someone tells you who they really are, believe them. I think that applies to companies too.
I can waste all my money on whatever I want. [Snip]. There are no safe net anywhere in life. I can also spend all my money on a stupid idea. Who is there to stop me?
The sad thing is there is a good chance you live in a country that want to decide your moral code but don't care if someone will lose all his money on legal chance games.
It is a strange world
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✭The RNG this time around is horrible for me. Another thing is i havent got a sweet roll in about 90 crates.0 -
TigressCreed✭✭✭Problem with this is then people will whine saying now they’re enforcing you to spend 150$. [Snip]. Eso store is a revenue stream which helps fund the game. Nothings free. If you can’t afford crates don’t buy them. I can’t afford a Mercedes not going to lobby for it to be banned now too
[Edited for bait]Edited by ZOS_Volpe on July 7, 2020 4:13PMXbox NA TigressCreed0 -
Stx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TigressCreed wrote: »Problem with this is then people will whine saying now they’re enforcing you to spend 150$. [Snip]. Eso store is a revenue stream which helps fund the game. Nothings free. If you can’t afford crates don’t buy them. I can’t afford a Mercedes not going to lobby for it to be banned now too
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I mean, I bought the game, pay a monthly sub, and also buy the chapter every year. I guess I assumed that was enough. Call me old fashioned but I am old enough to still feel that cash shops, loot boxes, pre orders, and all the other greedy scams part of gaming these days are all terrible and lead to lazy and non passionate game design.
It's just crazy to me that 95% of the cool mounts in the game are for cash. Here's a crazy idea, maybe put more mounts in the game like the dwarven wolf, and that would actually incentivize players to play the game. It would also add value to items and add a sense of achievement.
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✭✭✭Wildberryjack wrote: »The junk needs to be reduced or removed. I'm not paying all that money for poisons or food I can make myself. What nonsense. That's a rip off.
That fodder needs to be remkved like the entire lowest tier needs to be removed0 -
precambria✭✭✭✭✭You can get mounts in the crates, I have gotten 2 mounts in one single crate once one of them was APEX and the other lgendary, than the next crate was another APEX, its gambling either do it or don't0
