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Equality to ESO too!
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Keledus✭✭✭No offense but this is nonsense, sure equality must exist in real life but this isn't real life, it's a fantasy game.
Has there ever been lore about transgenders in ESO, to my knowledge no. So no need to flood the game with things that dont make sense whatsoever lore wise.
Keep it neutral, just the way it is. This game shouldn't get involved with politics and stuff like that.
If they come up with something that makes sense LORE WISE, sure feel free to add it but just because someone makes a forum thread and seeks equality they shouldn't be adding it to the game.
There is a lesbian relationship in the western skyrim with Freiwen & Maxten, that made sense there's lore around it and it didn't feel off at all. If they'd just randomly start adding stuff because equality it wouldn't make sense.
It has to make sense otherwise people start asking for more random stuff to be added, [snip]
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Athyrium93✭✭✭✭[snip] It's seriously more diverse than games marketed as diverse. The main plot drivers (the princes) are by lore, genderless, choosing their gender or lack there of and appearance at will. And don't get me started on Vivec.
95% of all armour, costumes, hair and markings are genderless so you can appear however you would like, including being blue or as an anthropomorphic animal.
The amazing thing is they do all this without shoving politics down anyones throat, the game is so diverse that applying real world politics to it is frankly ridiculous. It's a MAGIC world where you can be basically anything.
As a side note, there are some amazing guides on how to create a non-bianary or non-conforming character just a google search away. With ESOs body sliders you can make some seriously amazing characters because you can basically turn off all secondary sex characteristics. The only thing they could maybe do better is make the gender option a slider, but doing that would likely require a lot of new programming and break the servers, and other than voice and titles is totally possible to do just with existing character sliders.
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Greystag✭✭✭✭When comes transgender NPC:s on ESO? World of Warcraft already has breaken the hidden barriers, I think it is time for Zenimax also!
As many have mentioned, a Summerset quest features a character who's used alchemy to transition.
Another interesting but unconfirmed case is that of Lakhazga gro-Rimat, who despite appearing to be female uses the prefix "gro-" which is used for male orcs only.
There are also transsexual Argonians in the game, and the whole race can transition with the help of the hist.
About Daedra: I don't think they're transgender, they just have female and male forms for the most part. If anything they'd be genderfluid I guess, but I don't think these terms apply to gods honestly.
Vivec is also a hermaphrodite; both a woman and a man, though we usually associate him with the latter.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No offense but this is nonsense, sure equality must exist in real life but this isn't real life, it's a fantasy game.
Has there ever been lore about transgenders in ESO, to my knowledge no. So no need to flood the game with things that dont make sense whatsoever lore wise.
And here's another person who didn't play the Alchemy quest in Summerset (or read previous replies stating this, for that matter). Yes, there's lore about it in the game now.1 -
Almsivife✭✭[snip] Gender variance is not the same as equality, nor is it inherently political. It just is. This is especially true in a game where the plot is driven by the genderless beings that are the Daedric Princes. And then there's the androgynous Vivec, that many others have mentioned.
As for transgender mortals, there's the story of Alchemy. Perfect example of trans inclusion, simply because she just happened to be trans but the story was about something else. Or did you want a story where the trans person is only there to be trans and nothing else? Sorry but nobody wants that, not even (or dare I say especially not) trans people.
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✭✭Apart from a lot of NPCs who have same sex partners and spouses and love story quests, Bethesda has written quite a big transgender/non-binary theme into the character of Vivec, who is "all genders" according to Sotha Sil.
I'm not sure what else would you want? The universe of ESO is very much for gender and sexuality equality and it's not some secret, it's front and centre of the lore and culture.
As a gay male myself, I feel the LGBTQ is well and realistically represented in the ES games.Edited by red_emu on July 7, 2020 11:16AMPC - EU:
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Actually, I read you comment quite carefully. And after reading it again I still can't find anything that even comes close to you saying you're againt this being shoved down people throats. All I can find is you thinking it silly to point fingers at ZOS.CassandraGemini wrote: »*lol* Have you even bothered to really read my post (like, for example the part where I clearly said that I'm against shoving it down people's throats as opposed to making it a natural part of a game that doesn't have to be advertised specifically?) or did you just decide to show that you actually belong to the, alas not so small, subsection of humanity that's very noisy and needs constant attention and affirmation because they just can't handle that not everybody is the same?
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✭VaranisArano wrote: »MorganaBlue wrote: »so it's stated, no need to lobby it. LOL
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If we can be lobbying for all the other things we ask for on the forums, I don't really mind asking for (more) trans representation. I mean, look at how ZOS does a much better job with same-sex relationship than Skyrim did! Skyrim had one couple and they were already dead. ESO has a number of living couples and most of them are shown through simple asides in the dialogue - its all very normal in Tamriel. Since ZOS seems to be going the same way with trans folks, I'd prefer to see more and treated in the same way: normal, small details about the characters that no one in Tamriel really bats an eye over.
Well I think they did a little too much on that regard in new chapter because you can find more same-sex relationships then different sex relationships in quests which is hilarious tbh.
Previously we saw a lot of this kind relationships but it didn't feel so forced as in GreymoorEdited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 7, 2020 11:58AM0 -
MorganaBlue✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »MorganaBlue wrote: »so it's stated, no need to lobby it. LOL
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If we can be lobbying for all the other things we ask for on the forums, I don't really mind asking for (more) trans representation..
On the forums the lobbying is 98% of the time non-political and solely game-related. [snip]
Edited to add: ...just my two cents, ciao ciao
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Yep, you are absolutely right. I have no idea how I missed that last sentence every time. Admittedly I made quite the fool out of myself.CassandraGemini wrote: »[Quoted post was removed]
That doesn't mean that my first statement isn't valid though.
Show me where I attacked her before she took a shoot at me...Versispellis wrote: »You can't accuse her of ad hominem for riffing on your own ad hominem, you gourd.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 7, 2020 12:01PM2 -
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Yep, you are absolutely right. I have no idea how I missed that last sentence every time. Admittedly I made quite the fool out of myself.CassandraGemini wrote: »[Quoted post was removed]
Wow, I'm surprised you'd say that. So if it really was just a genuine misunderstanding, then all's well, no worries. Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 7, 2020 12:01PMThis poor little Bosmer stealth passive had passionate friends and a big loving family!1 -
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It isn't. It is equity (equality of outcomes).Edited by DTStormfox on July 7, 2020 11:41AM3 -
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✭Versispellis wrote: »
Yep, you are absolutely right. I have no idea how I missed that last sentence every time. Admittedly I made quite the fool out of myself.CassandraGemini wrote: »[Quoted post was removed]
That doesn't mean that my first statement isn't valid though.Versispellis wrote: »[Quoted post was removed]
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Well... I'm not going to take back that I said it was nice that they admitted to their mistake (or the Awesome I gave them for it), but I will say that the comment was unedited when I replied to it, yeah... and I will also say, that I don't usually "take shots" at someone who didn't provoke it in some way or other. That's just not my style.
But for me, I'll leave it at that, not interested in taking this any further than it has already gone. Thanks for the support, though, I really appreciate it! Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 7, 2020 12:07PMThis poor little Bosmer stealth passive had passionate friends and a big loving family!3 -
TooWeak2Live✭✭✭And here I thought this was going to be a thread about all the slavery and racism in ESO.
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✭✭✭CassandraGemini wrote: »Versispellis wrote: »
Yep, you are absolutely right. I have no idea how I missed that last sentence every time. Admittedly I made quite the fool out of myself.CassandraGemini wrote: »[Quoted post was removed]
That doesn't mean that my first statement isn't valid though.Versispellis wrote: »[Quoted post was removed]
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Well... I'm not going to take back that I said it was nice that they admitted to their mistake (or the Awesome I gave them for it), but I will say that the comment was unedited when I replied to it, yeah... and I will also say, that I don't usually "take shots" at someone who didn't provoke it in some way or other. That's just not my style.
But for me, I'll leave it at that, not interested in taking this any further than it has already gone. Thanks for the support, though, I really appreciate it!
Don't worry, no condemnation for the kindness here! And I understand the context in which it was delivered. It's great that there can be resolutions and I probably ought to have left things well enough alone, because I honestly didn't expect any good to come from it. I was going to say something about all the receipts being there without me pointing them out, but they aren't anymore, and that's probably for the best. As you said, it went far enough. I apologize for getting a little trollish in this thread. ✨🐦✨ Blackfeather Court Commission ✨🐦✨1 -
WastedJoker✭✭✭A video game IS just a video game but as the worlds largest form of entertainment it's in a unique position to provide impetus to gaining equality for all minorities.
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EmEm_Oh✭✭✭✭✭When comes transgender NPC:s on ESO? World of Warcraft already has breaken the hidden barriers, I think it is time for Zenimax also!
Unless it's part of the story of ESO, why insert something just for contemporary societal imagery. Leave it alone. Just because something exists in one place...does not mean it has to exist everywhere else.
Conversely, the things in ESO, I wouldn't necessarily want in real life, as well.
Leave them both separate, thanks.1 -
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✭✭✭Now, an actual thought on the topic at hand:
ZOS has done a fair job being inclusive with their game. As others have pointed out, there are some pretty fine examples of LGBTQ representation, if you know where to look for them. There are also a lot of examples of poor sensitivity in this game, where it concerns gender and analogues for race. Some of that is the fault of the writing not aging well, and some of it I presume just because the right person for the job wasn't in the writing room that day. I personally encourage them to keep making amends and writing more inclusive material.
My final statement is that inclusivity and equity are only political because detractors decided they were. In an ideal world, we wouldn't even have to have these kinds of conversations.WastedJoker wrote: »A video game IS just a video game but as the worlds largest form of entertainment it's in a unique position to provide impetus to gaining equality for all minorities.
Edited to say this is such a smart statement, gosh!Edited by SickleCider on July 7, 2020 1:09PM✨🐦✨ Blackfeather Court Commission ✨🐦✨3 -
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✭✭What's next? Petition to ban the Aldmeri Dominion cause they are slave-owners of the Argonians? It's a video game, not a real world simulator so leave sociopolitical issues outside of it. Thanks.
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bodge2372✭✭✭Behold Titus Androgynous. Not quite transgender as (s)he doesn't want to lose h(er)is [snip]. Loves a man in uniform & "travelled" all the way to Elsweyr with an Imperial Legion.......
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I guess in ESO trans people don't face the issues they face IRL, so there would be no high suicide rates.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 7, 2020 2:48PM0 -
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