Unusual PvP Event Etiquette

mairwen85 · July 2020

I recently introduced a friend of mine to IC sewers. She'd never been before and with the event on and the large population down there, I thought it would be a nice time for her to experience it. With that, unfortunately she ended up getting wrecked, ganked hard in the first loop by the same player repeatedly about 6 times. Obviously she was unprepared, and after returning to base each time to regroup with her, eventually I managed to get the guy just as they dropped invisibility. After that I was getting whispers advising me that they'd seen us and routes to avoid other players of their alliance. I PvP quite regularly and I've never experienced such a strange exchange, and I cannot account for it in any way other than that the other player understood I was escorting my friend purely for the experience--so, what other odd etiquette have people experienced during this event?

Fur_like_snow · July 2020

I let two players finish their 1v1 before fighting the winner.

Elvenheart · July 2020

Nothing too strange here. I’ve been quite lucky so far as a PvE player going to IC and Cyrodiil for event tickets. I’ve been killed a couple of times in IC, but I expected that. It is my first time there and I love the zone. I’m actually working on the main quest some, as well as the dailies for the tickets. I even happened along on some groups killing bosses, and ended up with 2 style pages so far 🙂. Of course, when queuing I’ve stayed away from Gray Host and picked the campaigns where my alliance had the most bars. But I’ve learned that’s not a guarantee…sometimes I’ve zoned into IC to find that other alliances with just one bar control every zone in the city! Being a stage 4 vampire and having the Wild Hunt ring may be helping too. I’ve successfully escaped a few close encounters so far 🤣

technohic · July 2020

You know; I've killed players and I have gotten hate tells and that just encourages me to troll respond and laugh. I gave had responses where someone asks me a question like " does vamo ult make you see stealth" and I just respond "I dont know but detect pots in mist form does" or just "what's that glow," "good fight" "damned this lag" and we have a friendly exchange.

It's really about attitude. If they initiate with a bad attitude; that's just what they are. No need to sweat about it any more than that.

preevious · July 2020

Well, I was questing i, Cyroodil, and that big PvP guy runs toward me, bash me 2 times.

I was like a rabbit in the spot lights. I didn't even dare to move.
he then waved at me, and went on his merry way.

I suppose bashing was a way to ask me if I was up to fight.
Was a long time ago, but I still remember.
And I'm still gratefull to have been left alive.

kargen27 · July 2020

So far I've only encountered one person camping a turn in sight in Cyrodiil. He was hiding by the NPC at Chorrel. He got me twice before I saw where he was hiding. I was on a PvE character so didn't really stand a chance against him. Third time I put javelin on my back bar and positioned myself so when I caught him vulnerable I could knock him into the lava. He had a really long ride back if he wanted to keep going.
Other than that I've had a pretty good experience. I've met a few players of other factions turning in quests and we just ignored each other and went along our way.
I've died a lot in Imperial City because I keep going there with one of my PvE characters but they have been chance encounters and not players camping sites.

MartiniDaniels · July 2020

So I was on "capture resource" mission deep inside banana territory... I picked up some random quest on my way back, where I need to tell somebody in Vlastarus about some danger. There were several AD players in there. I was not cocky and crawled to quest NPC in stealth. The moment when I exited stealth all questers turned on me. I really didn't wanted conflict and tried to kite away, but they were persistent so I started killing them. They were respawning and coming back again and again until they got tired and Vlastarus was all mine.

That all you need to know about questers, PVE-ers and their etiquette. Any moment when they see they have higher numbers, they will attack you.

Dusk_Coven · July 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

So I was on "capture resource" mission deep inside banana territory... I picked up some random quest on my way back, where I need to tell somebody in Vlastarus about some danger. There were several AD players in there. I was not cocky and crawled to quest NPC in stealth. The moment when I exited stealth all questers turned on me. I really didn't wanted conflict and tried to kite away, but they were persistent so I started killing them. They were respawning and coming back again and again until they got tired and Vlastarus was all mine.

That all you need to know about questers, PVE-ers and their etiquette. Any moment when they see they have higher numbers, they will attack you.

I've been on some guild runs and every time the leader tells us not to chase because a solo enemy is often trying to split up the group and isolate a few at a time and/or lead them into an ambush a bit further along. So if he does make the call to engage it's always together.

And Vlastarus might be considered a default AD town, so they might have been trying to protect it so other AD questers can use it for the event. And in the end they were right because you did take Vlastarus.

Don't think you can play the victim card here. For all you know, they might be thinking you're the stereotype PvP ass camping a town trying to thwart people from doing their quests.

tomofhyrule · July 2020

I had a nice one in IC. I was on the Temple district quest and went to fight the Titan in the Temple of the One. Couldn't take it alone, but there was a DC guy who was also there to kill the same boss.

It took us a few tries, but we eventually got it down. I gave him a /thanks and left without issue.

It was actually pretty nice to see someone on an enemy team who didn't feel like PvPing in the middle of a boss fight.

Then there was the one time that I was riding through Cyrodiil and I stopped to take on a dolmen. Halfway through an AD guy came up and spammed Ambush or something to take me down, ignoring all of the daedra, while I was trying to fight the daedra off. Of course I died, but then the daedra I was fighting promptly killed him as well (and I think I still got some AP for that). He was gone by the time I got back so I could clean up the dolmen. I loled

Luke_Flamesword · July 2020

Well, it's only a game and lot of people don't have high compansion to other or emotional intelligence so toxic behaviours are nothing weird. People are able to be much worse in real life...

I have new character, so I train her in campaign with max lv50. I had 13 level and no even second bar unlocked so it was hard to defend yourself. I was peacefully questing in Bruma where some 45 lvl camper killed me 6 times in 10 minutes. Well it happens, annoying, but not a big deal

MartiniDaniels · July 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

So I was on "capture resource" mission deep inside banana territory... I picked up some random quest on my way back, where I need to tell somebody in Vlastarus about some danger. There were several AD players in there. I was not cocky and crawled to quest NPC in stealth. The moment when I exited stealth all questers turned on me. I really didn't wanted conflict and tried to kite away, but they were persistent so I started killing them. They were respawning and coming back again and again until they got tired and Vlastarus was all mine.

That all you need to know about questers, PVE-ers and their etiquette. Any moment when they see they have higher numbers, they will attack you.

I've been on some guild runs and every time the leader tells us not to chase because a solo enemy is often trying to split up the group and isolate a few at a time and/or lead them into an ambush a bit further along.

And Vlastarus might be considered a default AD town, so they might have been trying to protect it so other AD questers can use it for the event. And in the end they were right because you did take Vlastarus.

Don't think you can play the victim card here.

Did you read? I didn't attacked anybody, I was not even moving openly. And I was not attacking guards at flag in the beginning. I just come out of stealth to hand out quest to NPC and was not even able to finish dialog when I was already attacked.

caperb · July 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

So I was on "capture resource" mission deep inside banana territory... I picked up some random quest on my way back, where I need to tell somebody in Vlastarus about some danger. There were several AD players in there. I was not cocky and crawled to quest NPC in stealth. The moment when I exited stealth all questers turned on me. I really didn't wanted conflict and tried to kite away, but they were persistent so I started killing them. They were respawning and coming back again and again until they got tired and Vlastarus was all mine.

That all you need to know about questers, PVE-ers and their etiquette. Any moment when they see they have higher numbers, they will attack you.

I've been on some guild runs and every time the leader tells us not to chase because a solo enemy is often trying to split up the group and isolate a few at a time and/or lead them into an ambush a bit further along.

And Vlastarus might be considered a default AD town, so they might have been trying to protect it so other AD questers can use it for the event. And in the end they were right because you did take Vlastarus.

Don't think you can play the victim card here. For all you know, they might be thinking you're the stereotype PvP ass camping a town trying to thwart people from doing their quests.

Not really, it is 100% the questers fault they died here. I've had it often too, when you ignore enemy questers because there is no challenge and fun for anyone to kill them. You think you're doing good by letting them do their quests, but when you eventually have a zerg of pve chasing you, your only choice then is to kill them.

Raisin · July 2020

I generally don't attack people they look like they're questing/moving away from me, and I have tried to do bosses with people from other alliances. 9/10 times it results in them waiting for me to think we are in the same page (sometimes sneaking away) and then killing me. Hurts, but I can't get over knowing what it's like to keep getting wrecked while trying to just do the event quests, so I keep naively thinking maybe I'm doing the right person a favor this time. I just feel guilty.

I did have one funny Cyro moment today. Was scouting BRK farm, yellow at the time but cut off. Just as I was gonna find a way to kill myself for a quick port, I saw the farm getting attacked. I casually ran into the 10-15 group of reds standing on the flag with a few jumps. I guess I must've seemed so spectacularly unthreatening that on my way there as well as for a few seconds after standing right with them, they didn't even attack me. Zero interest. Just kinda awkwardly hung out. Then they lazily LAed me to death. Was quite nice to just be chilling in that group of red for a bit.

xshatox · July 2020

technohic wrote: »

You know; I've killed players and I have gotten hate tells and that just encourages me to troll respond and laugh. I gave had responses where someone asks me a question like " does vamo ult make you see stealth" and I just respond "I dont know but detect pots in mist form does" or just "what's that glow," "good fight" "damned this lag" and we have a friendly exchange.

It's really about attitude. If they initiate with a bad attitude; that's just what they are. No need to sweat about it any more than that.

Hey hate whispering is part of the experience. Where else you can talk *** without consequences.
And if zos take action every reported chat they will not have time to do anything else.

SeaGtGruff · July 2020

On the first or second night of the event I was trying to complete an IC daily in one of the districts, but players from the other two alliances were running around killing everybody in sight. I think it was the one where you need to bait traps. After getting killed, rezzing, and returning to the district to try to finish, I ran up to one of the traps to bait it, and just as I was getting there an AD player ran up to it and baited it. I left them alone while they baited the trap, and they left me alone while I baited it.

Other than that, I've had a lot of fun moments.

Last night I was riding furiously through Cyrodiil to scout a keep deep in enemy territory, and the keep I'd ported to had one of its resources captured. Naturally, I had to ride past that resource on the way to my goal, and a little further on I had to ride between an enemy keep and one of its resources. Somewhere along the way I was spotted and followed, because I started to get hit by blasts of some kind of spell, but I kept riding and eventually they stopped. Then my mount's stamina ran out, so I slowed down to normal riding speed, and the blasts started back, followed by some attempts to snare me. I ended up getting dismounted and snared, but I immediately broke free and ran-- as luck would have it, to some nearby rocks-- getting blasted all the way. As soon as I reached the rocks I went into Sneak and managed to work my way around the rocks to a safe spot. After hiding for a minute or two without catching sight of my attacker, I headed back toward the keep I had to scout, sneaking all the way.

In the sewers I've had several occasions of suddenly running into patrolling horror in a narrow, snaky corridor. Usually I run full speed through the corridors, so I just kept running and got chased, using Break Free as needed to keep two steps ahead. Most of the time I can get away after being chased for a bit, although once or twice I've run into enemy players and been killed. Last night I had another get-chased-by-a-horror moment, and I managed to make it to the Daedra-filled room that's closest to base. As soon as I got there, I went into Sneak and crept under a ramp in the corner, even though the room was filled with Daedra. I had my pets out, so I dismissed them so they woyldn't accidentally draw attention. Just after I did, the patrolling horror came racing into the room, and raced non-stop through the room and out the other corridor. It was fun to think of them shaking their fists in impotent fury and cursing me for getting away, but I felt sorry for anyone else they might have run headlong into.

crowfl56 · July 2020

anytime you have a zone were other players can loot anything from the opposing players you will have griefers, campers, out and out punks.

I could name them but no need they would just think their crap is funny, which its not.

Griefers should be banned for life

ZaroktheImmortal · July 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

So I was on "capture resource" mission deep inside banana territory... I picked up some random quest on my way back, where I need to tell somebody in Vlastarus about some danger. There were several AD players in there. I was not cocky and crawled to quest NPC in stealth. The moment when I exited stealth all questers turned on me. I really didn't wanted conflict and tried to kite away, but they were persistent so I started killing them. They were respawning and coming back again and again until they got tired and Vlastarus was all mine.

That all you need to know about questers, PVE-ers and their etiquette. Any moment when they see they have higher numbers, they will attack you.

That could be due to them suspecting you may be planning to attack them cause I've seen a lot of pvpers targeting pvers and ganking them and to the point of even got zergs going round attacking the alliance with highest pop in imperial city then taking all their spawn points and camping their exit to kill them off that it's gotten to the point that most will just expect you to attack them. I actually got a hate whisper from one of these after he died. I've had failed gankers who got upset. But some who were in powerful gear or full on zerging the map somehow even with lower pop than the alliance with highest though the high one was mostly pvers I tried moving to another alliance map that had higher and mostly pvers and tried waving to some and most of them when they realised I wasn't trying to attack left me alone some attacked before I could make it clear I didn't intend to attack but I didn't try to kill them just got away. But I think the point is it's gotten to the point of some many targeting pvers and even before the event many on this forum were bragging about how they'd do exactly that so now most pvers expect other alliances to just attack them cause well...most have been doing just this.

ZaroktheImmortal · July 2020

And honestly if there wasn't an influx of people trolling and targeting pvers they wouldn't have as much reason as to expect people who pop in of other alliances to be another one trying to target them. It creates that cycle because there are so many doing this. They'll pick the alliance that has the highest pop on that one and go after them cause they figure pvers will be an easy target.

kargen27 · July 2020

Didn't happen this event but a couple of quick stories.

Was fishing Imperial City to get the achievement. Saw an enemy player run by and he saw me. He kept going so I thought that was nice. Then he came back with three friends. I got two of them before I died though.

The other one from last year I was farming Tel Var and came across two enemy players. They just stood and watched as I was fighting some evil doers by a chest. I kept an eye on them expecting an attack but they didn't seem interested. As soon as I went to pick the lock on the chest they tried to jump me. They died. I'm not real good at solo PvP so they had to be PvE'rs.

Okay three stories. Another I was fighting creatures in Imperial City and an enemy player jumped in intending to join me in the fight. Unfortunately he joined in after I put down AoE and he ran right into it. He assumed I attacked him and attacked back. After he died he messaged me asking why I attacked and I had to explain to him even though we were working together to bring down the same things our AoEs would still cause damage on each other. He had no idea that was the case. Worked out okay he understood after I explained it.

ZaroktheImmortal · July 2020

kargen27 wrote: »

Didn't happen this event but a couple of quick stories.

Was fishing Imperial City to get the achievement. Saw an enemy player run by and he saw me. He kept going so I thought that was nice. Then he came back with three friends. I got two of them before I died though.

The other one from last year I was farming Tel Var and came across two enemy players. They just stood and watched as I was fighting some evil doers by a chest. I kept an eye on them expecting an attack but they didn't seem interested. As soon as I went to pick the lock on the chest they tried to jump me. They died. I'm not real good at solo PvP so they had to be PvE'rs.

Okay three stories. Another I was fighting creatures in Imperial City and an enemy player jumped in intending to join me in the fight. Unfortunately he joined in after I put down AoE and he ran right into it. He assumed I attacked him and attacked back. After he died he messaged me asking why I attacked and I had to explain to him even though we were working together to bring down the same things our AoEs would still cause damage on each other. He had no idea that was the case. Worked out okay he understood after I explained it.

To be honest there's a lot of pvpers that aren't that good at it. I've managed to kill a fair few of them in light armour and speced and gear to pvp then they'd bring more of their pvp buddies. I've had gankers target me. I wouldn't assume just cause they weren't good that they were pvers. There's also a lot of pvpers that can be killed by pvers oddly enough. Some are just that bad at it that even a pver can take them down.

ZaroktheImmortal · July 2020

I had a ganker try to attack me from stealth almost got killed then would go invisible recover then they'd come out try to attack me again and it'd go on a few rounds of this before I killed them off before they could go invisible again. So yes, there are pvpers that can be killed by pvers in light armour and not geared at all to pvp hell my gear isn't even the best for pve I need to work out my gearing still it's on the list of things I need to do.

Hapexamendios · July 2020

I've only been doing the daily quests myself, but I had a friend tell me something. He was in Toadstool Hollow trying to get the lead from the treasure chests. Some chests are near delve bosses so you need to kill them. He would engage the boss and someone from his own alliance would sneak in and take the chest. That's just a crappy thing to do imo.

MartiniDaniels · July 2020

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

So I was on "capture resource" mission deep inside banana territory... I picked up some random quest on my way back, where I need to tell somebody in Vlastarus about some danger. There were several AD players in there. I was not cocky and crawled to quest NPC in stealth. The moment when I exited stealth all questers turned on me. I really didn't wanted conflict and tried to kite away, but they were persistent so I started killing them. They were respawning and coming back again and again until they got tired and Vlastarus was all mine.

That all you need to know about questers, PVE-ers and their etiquette. Any moment when they see they have higher numbers, they will attack you.

That could be due to them suspecting you may be planning to attack them cause I've seen a lot of pvpers targeting pvers and ganking them and to the point of even got zergs going round attacking the alliance with highest pop in imperial city then taking all their spawn points and camping their exit to kill them off that it's gotten to the point that most will just expect you to attack them. I actually got a hate whisper from one of these after he died. I've had failed gankers who got upset. But some who were in powerful gear or full on zerging the map somehow even with lower pop than the alliance with highest though the high one was mostly pvers I tried moving to another alliance map that had higher and mostly pvers and tried waving to some and most of them when they realised I wasn't trying to attack left me alone some attacked before I could make it clear I didn't intend to attack but I didn't try to kill them just got away. But I think the point is it's gotten to the point of some many targeting pvers and even before the event many on this forum were bragging about how they'd do exactly that so now most pvers expect other alliances to just attack them cause well...most have been doing just this.

There is nothing bad that they attacked me. I remember when I was first time in Cyro, I wanted to spend AP from random BGs to pick up some set in Vlastarus. So I went there with my PVE tank (it was also werewolf), and bought what i need from vendor. Then I saw some guy standing, and out of curiosity i pecked him with pierce armor and he attacked me. I transformed to WW and we were exchanging hits for a while, though i was doing no damage ofc, as pve tank has very low stats without raid buffs. After WW ended I start running and he followed me. But ofc even without impen PVE tank is quite tanky, so I simply permablocked for a minute or two exchanging bars (s&b and ice staff) and he gave up eventually

That was my first Cyro experience and it was not so bad.

So I have nothing against questers attacking me in crowd or whatever. I am against some mythical "etiquette". Players of different alliances may attack each other, there is nothing bad in it.

AgentZenish · July 2020

Hapexamendios wrote: »

I've only been doing the daily quests myself, but I had a friend tell me something. He was in Toadstool Hollow trying to get the lead from the treasure chests. Some chests are near delve bosses so you need to kill them. He would engage the boss and someone from his own alliance would sneak in and take the chest. That's just a crappy thing to do imo.

Sounds like your friend is trying to get The Heartland. That is dropping everywhere in Cyro and IC. I got mine from an IC District boss.

Hapexamendios · July 2020

AgentZenish wrote: »

Hapexamendios wrote: »

I've only been doing the daily quests myself, but I had a friend tell me something. He was in Toadstool Hollow trying to get the lead from the treasure chests. Some chests are near delve bosses so you need to kill them. He would engage the boss and someone from his own alliance would sneak in and take the chest. That's just a crappy thing to do imo.

Sounds like your friend is trying to get The Heartland. That is dropping everywhere in Cyro and IC. I got mine from an IC District boss.

Thanks for the info. I'll let him know.

tsaescishoeshiner · July 2020

I like to give players little "lovetaps" while on nightblade. Just break invis to zap them with a resto light attack then poof away, or if I'm not using Cloak, slap them with a Flame Clench then go about my business

I felt bad in IC today because I stunned someone and used two Swallow Souls as I was running away, and they died

just wanted to scare 'em a lil bit, not take their 45 Tel Var

Had a great round of Hide & Seek with a PvE tank in Vlastarus today until someone else came over with 40k health and ridiculous damage. I tried to 1v1 them for a while before realizing they were Emperor lol. Time to /bow and dip

JamieAubrey · July 2020

The other day I dropped down the Nobles district to do the daily quickly and as I finished I noticed a Red making their way to the flag ( I already walked past and didn't attack ) and instead of searching for an NPC to get back down the base I whispered and asked them to kill me

They replied that I was the first to ask them to do this, I almost wanted to take out a few thousand Tel Var pop back up and let them kill me again so they could get them

Usually if I'm just there to do a quick quest I'll not bother attacking anyone but if they attack me then it's fair game, just ask the DC that attacked me and lost 10k Tel Var

Linaleah · July 2020

I had my share of good experiences (as in - I actualy managed to get my quests done unmolested) and bad experiences (pretty much what you'd expect in pvp zones while event sending pve players in for the slaughter is happening)

but a particular one that kinda stuck with me - was in a delve when I was killing a boss. I'm pretty sure my AoE was hitting an enemy player who showed up half way through, but they still let me/helped me kill and loot the boss, before murdering me. I thought it was kinda sweet. unfortunately I still had one more boss left in that delve and it was a delve that's between the gates to main bases, but still... normally gankers wait until you engage something before attacking you while your health is not at max, and you are being hammered by npc's. so whoever you are - I salute you fellow player, thanks for letting me finish off that boss

one of the more annoying ones was this ganker that kept attacking me while I was trying to click the quest objective. the thing is, i didn't even have any tel var on me, cause I bank whatever i have left over, whenever I get killed. but they kept stalking me, so after they killed me for a third time, I just left for a while and did something else. but like... how sweaty are you to keep farming someone before they even get a chance to click an objective.. while they have NO Tel var (they would know after second time they killed me)

JayKwellen · July 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

@Dusk_Coven I've been on some guild runs and every time the leader tells us not to chase because a solo enemy is often trying to split up the group and isolate a few at a time and/or lead them into an ambush a bit further along. So if he does make the call to engage it's always together.

And Vlastarus might be considered a default AD town, so they might have been trying to protect it so other AD questers can use it for the event. And in the end they were right because you did take Vlastarus.

Don't think you can play the victim card here. For all you know, they might be thinking you're the stereotype PvP ass camping a town trying to thwart people from doing their quests.

Also AD doesn't have a non-capturable town like EP and DC do with chorhol and chyndenhal (however you spell those towns), so the PvE questers have pretty much nowhere to go inside their own territory except Vlas.

Lord-Otto · July 2020

IC is a [snip]. This event shouldn't force inexperienced players into it and that "content" should die a miserable death, anyway. Expect nothing good from it.
As for etiquette, Gray Host is for fighting. If you kill players obviously doing dailies in the other campaigns, you're scum.

[Edited to remove Profanity]

Saucy_Jack · July 2020

Pie King, with his bright red suit and delightfully cheerful manner, was running around IC doing dailies. I saw an EP guy down the way; we both stopped. I waved, he waved back, then we ran up to each other and did dance emotes together. Then another beefy EP came from behind and annihilated me. Before I rezzed at base though, I waited for a little bit to see the reaction; the first EP did a crying emote, and then swung his sword a couple of times in displeasure at Big Beefer.

It was nice to know Pie King is mourned even within the Ebonheart Pact.