Erraln wrote: »

The set is designed to make you into a glass cannon. Your complaint is that while full glass cannon mode is active, player defenses are less effective!

Sounds like it's working just fine

Im fine with that.. Problem is that shield is reduced and also shields getting more incoming damage too.. I dont know if its Bug or not but it shouldnt do it
It should only remove 40% of shield strengh

I can send screens later, but now im at work

PeterUnlustig wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Set can be used in pvp so it IS pvp set
Im not talking about healing nerf to battle spirit, im talking about Thrassian Stranglers mythic item lol

So how will you proc it in PvP? If you strictly run solo you will most likely never reach the 20 stacks due to the amount of cheese zergs running around. If you run to a dungeon everytime you die and kill mobs that would be super annoying. If you run in a group your received cross healing is so insanely low that you can just stop playing at all.

You can do it in duel by killing sorcerers pet.. This is how i did it for testing
Also you can do it very easily in IC or cyro.. Just go kill few mobs
And dont die.. Sorc can survive a lot with streak because almost nobody use gap closers

JinMori wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Set can be used in pvp so it IS pvp set
Im not talking about healing nerf to battle spirit, im talking about Thrassian Stranglers mythic item lol

Lol, wtf kind of reasoning is that?

You can use aegis caller in pvp does it make it a pvp set? Or siroria?

What kind of reasoning is saying "its not pvp set".. Answer to yourself.. Is it pvp set? Can u use it in pvp or not
Lol
If you can than yes it IS pvp set it CAN be used in pvp if you want it

On the PTS I basically gave this as feedback, when testing you notice that self-healing isnt decreaing.
At 20 stacks I had only 1% weaker self-heals because the increased spell dmg counters the reduced healing taken.
This is almost perfectly balanced because you take 40% more dmg so you already need 40% more healing to counter this.

For shields its the exact opposite, you take 40% more dmg, the shield size is capped and reduced by another 40%. A shield that takes 40% more dmg is already 40% weaker, I dont understand what was the motivation to reduce the shield size. Reducing the size by another 40% makes it 64% weaker, which is 24% too much.

For example, at base 12k shield at 0 stacks turns into 7.2k shield at 20 stacks but that shield also takes 40% more dmg.
Effectively that leaves you with a 4.32k shield, (12k - 4.32k)/12k=64% effective shield reduction

This is an advantage for classes that have self-heals that scale off dmg like magNB or magplar, its a serious disadvantage for classes that rely on shields or heals that have set values like magsorcs.

It doesnt matter if its for PVE or PVP, it appears ZOS calculates as if we still have the old uncapped dmg shields without resistance. You should just take 40% more dmg, healing and shield size should not be affected by the stacks.

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

This is an interesting point. I wonder if a Spell Damage scaling shield like Ward Ally would be better than Annulment.

The double 40% hit to shield size does seem excessive, they should just remove the part specifically about shields and let them be 40% smaller because of the 40% increased damage taken.

That could be worth investigating for sure.

Another thing I noticed while testing is that the shield cap applies at the end of all calculations. So if you raise your max magicka and put CP into the Bastion you can increase the shield size a fair bit. Below the numbers for the last PTS to demonstrate the scaling:

base shield size with roughly 25k health: 15087 (this is capped at 60% health)
shield size with 20 stacks and 0 CP into Bastion: 9360
(15087-9360)/15087=38.0% reduction
shield size with 20 stacks and 20 CP into Bastion: 10770
(15087-10770)/15087=28.6% reduction
shield size with 20 stacks and 40 CP into Bastion: 11858
(15087-11858)/15087=21.4% reduction

With 40 CP into the Bastion the shields are effectively reduced by 52.8% instead of 64%.
This value can vary based on your max health and magicka.

are people really complaining that there is a new item that is not doing well for their specific build? like really just move along the set is not for you and the reduction to shield strenght is absolutely vital because shields increase your effective hp allowing you to avoid getting 1shot or comboed way more efficiently than just healing

JinMori wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Set can be used in pvp so it IS pvp set
Im not talking about healing nerf to battle spirit, im talking about Thrassian Stranglers mythic item lol

Lol, wtf kind of reasoning is that?

You can use aegis caller in pvp does it make it a pvp set? Or siroria?

While they are not presenting a strong case Stranglers would kill in PvP a 3k buff to Spell Damage while you’re in a raid with two healers and self heals you would clean house.

Side note Aegis is great in PvP think choke points, flags and gatehouses/doorways. A strong bleed caused by a ground AoE that they are forced to stand on like a flag or run through like a wall breach.

PeterUnlustig wrote: »

Lul. Thrassian strangler isnt a pvp set.

Even tho shields stay untouched this patch, while healing has been reduced alot.

while i agree yesterday i understand it's quite useable in pvp.
Getting hit by noproc-nocrit crystal frag for 8.5k damage while having capped resistances+%10 damage mitigation in NoCP. Zergsurfing completely ignores the negative aspect of thrassian

PeterUnlustig wrote: »

Lul. Thrassian strangler isnt a pvp set.

Oh my sweet summer child. You have so much to learn The gods have blessed you from avoiding this set in PvP I see. Once more people start to figure out what you can do with this ill share some of the insane stuff we have going on with this set.