Spam sell in chat (zone ect...) That's enough now !

ZeroXFF · June 2020

First the defenders of the [snip] guild trader system say "sell in zone chat if you don't want to join a trading guild", and then they make threads about banning zone chat trading. And if not outright banning it, discuss what the appropriate level of spam is. [snip]

[edited for bashing/baiting]

KinnikuBeam · June 2020

You are too extreme and what some guild leader did or could do is not the subject here, I find it a good excuse, simply
to justify you spamming the chat.
That the debate continues

Rezdayn · June 2020

KinnikuBeam wrote: »

A great endless debate continues but,we can't stand it anymore.

Players who spam their links all day long (sometimes more than a dozen in a row) in the chat to sell and make easy money (by cutting prices), this is no longer bearable.

Firstly: they bother other players who are looking for help ect ....

Secondly: this way they privatize the sales in these areas and prevent the other players from selling

Third: they kill the economy of the game, because ultimately the players do not farm or go see the guild merchants.

Fourth: in this way they do not participate in the economic life of a guild (which is more than important for its survival) what is the interest.

This has been going on for too long, something has to be done, otherwise the guild merchants will be forgotten (except the best places) and many players will be left behind because of thi

I have always found this way of thinking hilarious. Everyone thinks they get to decide what is said in zone chat.

Some people think buying/selling in zone chat is bad but recruiting for a guild is fine. Some people think people should be able to have conversations in zone chat that could easily be done in whisper but some dont. Insert any reason for why something is said in zone chat and some people will think its fine and some people will not.

Well I am here to annoy everyone...

Zone chat is for anything someone wants to say to the zone that does not breach the rules.

You might instantly think "What about spamming stuff?!" or "What if it is a really long message?!". Zone chat messages have a character limit. So its safe to assume that the MAX length of a message is the MAX length ZOS wants people to use for a single message. Well what about spam you say? I assume you are talking about people who buy/sell or leave copy paste messages for guild recruitment that are longer than one message (example below). These messages are different to the first message and often still take up less space than a message that takes up all character limits but uses nothing but normal character letters and no item links. This is often because the linked items will take up more character limits than the words that people in zone chat will eventually see.

As an example. [Tempering Alloy] is seen in zone in gold but the person sending the message will be using a link that is actually "|H1:item:54173:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h|h-|".

The above image shows myself linking items I wish to buy and even though I used two messages it was still shorter in length than someone who wishes to use the max length of characters allowed to voice their opinion on x,y or z.

"Well isn't that spam?!". I guess you could look at it this way but I will counter that with a few things. First, the first message and the second message are different. Second, it often is shorter in length than what ZOS has shown to be a okay length of message. Third, go into zone and witness everyone talking about x, y and z and observe how many people send messages that are not separated by other peoples messages. Someone filling a trial by saying "Looking for Tank and Healer for vSS" that quickly sends another message saying "Filled Thankyou" or "Just need a tank now" is surely not someone deserving punishment.

I dont believe such messages are spam but I will concede that at some point they might turn into spam. If I was to send those two "buy" messages and only wait a few seconds to resend both of those messages again I would agree it could be considered spam. However I just dont think anyone who sends two messages without anyone else separating them with their own messages should be considered as doing anything wrong.

This is also not even going into how you would police such a "crime". How long can someone wait before they can talk again? What is allowed to be said? What if no one else is talking in zone and you want to send another message? Can you send two messages in a row that take up less space than a person sending a full length maxed out message? Why is the max character length so long if someone cant send two messages that work out to take less space? So many of these things are subjective.

Now I will go over each thing you said...

Firstly: they bother other players who are looking for help ect

In another way of thinking people could be annoyed by seeing a tone of people asking for help etc.

Secondly: this way they privatize the sales in these areas and prevent the other players from selling

Other people can also join in. No one is prevent other people from selling at all.

Third: they kill the economy of the game, because ultimately the players do not farm or go see the guild merchants.

It just doesn't do that... Players will still go to the merchants and players will still be buying and selling.

Fourth: in this way they do not participate in the economic life of a guild (which is more than important for its survival) what is the interest.

This part shocked me. Players can chose to do what they want. Some dont want to be in trade guilds and some do. I buy and resell using both zone and trade guilds. I have had weeks in which I have sold 15M+ in trade guilds all because I was buying from zone. If you care about trade guilds wouldn't you agree that is great news for them? Up until this point I thought you just didn't like resellers and was lashing out at them in any way you could but this confused me. It appears you just dont like the "small fish" who buy and sell in zone and dont use guilds at all. To that I say... they can do what ever they want...

When I see two people having a conversation in zone that could be done in whisper I suck it up and remember that zone is not mine. Its not just for me and what I want. I suggest you do the same...

PizzaCat82 · June 2020

Wouldn't it be great if people could trade somewhere other than zone chat without being in a guild? Food for thought.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · June 2020

KinnikuBeam wrote: »

Secondly: this way they privatize the sales in these areas and prevent the other players from selling

Surely it's guilds that are the "privatisation" here? Zone chat is open to all, with literally no barrier. You can sell there yourself. Right now. For free. For profit even.

AmoralOne · June 2020

I guess for your sake of wanting a debate.

Where do you get off thinking you own the zone chat?

What if I am in Craglorn hanging out and I keep seeing someone, or multiple people saying "Selling skyreach runs" or "buying skyreach runs" Should I get upset every time that happens?

No because THAT is the game. You want immersion there you have it. Vendors, and other folk out there selling their items for gold.

Less immersive you could just mute them, and not make this thread that really doesn't have a purpose.

Mr_Walker · June 2020

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

I sometimes offer low prices to make a bargain and sell it with profit in guildstores. But people who believe they can actually ask the same price as in guildstores are just rediculous.

Nothing ridiculous about it, I often get higher prices in zone than I do in guild stores. Convenience....

newtinmpls · June 2020

KinnikuBeam wrote: »

The same player, who stays all day on the same map, and who links every 5 mins more than 10 links, this is really unbearable and should not be allowed, all this player kill the game,

Put them on ignore - easy solution.

I mostly use guild traders, but if someone puts something interesting up in chat, sometimes I go for it.

xXMeowMeowXx · June 2020

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xXMeowMeowXx · June 2020

Cadbury wrote: »

Hey, have a heart!
Those poor players selling vamp/ww bites for 10k have to eat, too.

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Red_Feather · June 2020

A selling tab on the chat window wold be better than the awful guild trader system.

ZaroktheImmortal · June 2020

You want a solution? Make a trading system that doesn't involve guilds. Some Trade Guild people are against that. But it would give people not in guilds a chance to sell things off to other players.

Red_Feather · June 2020

I'm sick of joining guilds that celebrate getting a trader and then act crushed when they don't' get a trader for a week. And EVENTUALLY it comes down to everyone has to start paying dues. When I didn't join a trading guild!

Whatever kills the cancer trading guild system in ESO and replaces it with something that works I am supporting.

ZaroktheImmortal · June 2020

On point 2 3 and 4 though I can see you are one of those trade guild people and I see this is likely the real issue you have here. People not signing up to dish out gold to trade guilds for the right to trade. Well guess what. Guildies don't have the corner on selling stuff. Others are allowed to sell items as well. To be honest I feel the real reason trade guilds are upset by this is the worry of it cutting into their profits.

ZaroktheImmortal · June 2020

Red_Feather wrote: »

I'm sick of joining guilds that celebrate getting a trader and then act crushed when they don't' get a trader for a week. And EVENTUALLY it comes down to everyone has to start paying dues. When I didn't join a trading guild!

Whatever kills the cancer trading guild system in ESO and replaces it with something that works I am supporting.

This exactly. I feel guilds should be able to focus on the more social aspects and game content rather than getting traders. It's usually the ones involved with trading guilds with dues who are very anti having a trading system any can use. Perhaps worrying of it lowering their profits when anyone can trade items.

Hapexamendios · June 2020

I don't mind if people link 4-5 items to sell in zone chat, but when they start going over that it's excessive imo.

Red_Feather · June 2020

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Red_Feather wrote: »

I'm sick of joining guilds that celebrate getting a trader and then act crushed when they don't' get a trader for a week. And EVENTUALLY it comes down to everyone has to start paying dues. When I didn't join a trading guild!

Whatever kills the cancer trading guild system in ESO and replaces it with something that works I am supporting.

This exactly. I feel guilds should be able to focus on the more social aspects and game content rather than getting traders. It's usually the ones involved with trading guilds with dues who are very anti having a trading system any can use. Perhaps worrying of it lowering their profits when anyone can trade items.

I am not joking, but it just happened again minutes ago. I just found out minutes ago that a guild I joined described as casual is now charging dues to ensure weekly trader.

idk · June 2020

Artorias24 wrote: »

You know, some players dont want to join trading guilds and can use the zone chat to sell their stuff.

Even in game with central trading systems lots of players use what is essentially Zone chat to try to sell their wares.

Heck, I have seen a game that had a dedicated trade chat that could be viewed in all zones, and people still posted in regular chat as they also used the trade chat. Their reason is some people had trade chat turned off. They do not care if it bothers anyone.

The number of players using Zone chat is to small to have the effect OP is suggesting. They will not have a significant effect on the market or trading guilds.

Nova Sky · June 2020

OmniDo wrote: »

I sold some of my mats yesterday to someone advertising in Zone chat.
It was all CoD, convenient, easy, and profitable.

No Guild Trader Fees, no having to look stuff up on a third-party web site, no addons, it was great.

*nods* If you're fortunate, you sold your goods to someone who paid full value for them. In my experience, many of the want-to-buy types deliberately lowball their prices so they can turn around and flip what they bought for a nice profit.

kargen27 · June 2020

KinnikuBeam wrote: »

A great endless debate continues but,we can't stand it anymore.

Players who spam their links all day long (sometimes more than a dozen in a row) in the chat to sell and make easy money (by cutting prices), this is no longer bearable.

Firstly: they bother other players who are looking for help ect ....

Secondly: this way they privatize the sales in these areas and prevent the other players from selling

Third: they kill the economy of the game, because ultimately the players do not farm or go see the guild merchants.

Fourth: in this way they do not participate in the economic life of a guild (which is more than important for its survival) what is the interest.

This has been going on for too long, something has to be done, otherwise the guild merchants will be forgotten (except the best places) and many players will be left behind because of thi

First problem is fixed by putting the player on your ignore list. Also might point out players spamming they need help with a certain boss may be bothering players trying to sell something. Works both ways. Either way we have an option to ignore.

Two through four I'm guessing is the author being facetious. Players selling in public has almost no impact on trader sales. They have even less impact on the games economy. The economy is huge. To put some real life perspective into it Walmart isn't going to go bankrupt because some kid in the neighborhood has a lemon-aid stand. Walmart won't even know it happened.

Wolfshead · June 2020

@KinnikuBeam

Stop blame people that try to make money and start to blame the trader system we have if we did not have trader guild force people make money every day or the will be kicked out of guild then we would not have this that people try to make honest money by sell their item.

The Trade Guild has more or less monopoly on trader system and ZoS is basically is ok with that 2% of the game community controls the server economy.

So I say good for them that spam chat and try to make some money

Eifleber · June 2020

I occasionally buy stuff from zone sellers as well.

Prices are very reasonable and takes a lot less time than searching TTC and travelling around - to find out the stuff isn't there anymore. So more zone sell spam would be great!!
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Jerkling · June 2020

KinnikuBeam wrote: »

[...] Players who spam their links all day long (sometimes more than a dozen in a row) in the chat to sell and make easy money (by cutting prices), this is no longer bearable. [...]

You do realize you can just Ignore (block) people in chat, right? And then, are you serioulsy complaining about free market?

Nemesis7884 · June 2020

as long as they dont do it in craglorn...the guild marketers should also calm down there

kargen27 · June 2020

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

as long as they dont do it in craglorn...the guild marketers should also calm down there

I think Craglorn should be the go to zone for selling items in chat. The chat there is always so dead!

preevious · June 2020

Meh .. if it annoys you, turn of the zone chat.
It's made exactly for that. Conveying informations aimed at everyone : WTS, WTB, guild advertising, questions about the game, anything goes.

To say it's no longer bearable is laughable, at best.

redlink1979 · June 2020

I've read a lot of worst things in zone chats than the "spam" of a few links.

Kill the economy? I think you are seeing thing in the wrong perspective. The difference in prices (concurrency among sellers) is what makes the economy alive and free. And not the monopolization of it.

FakeFox · June 2020

"Physical retail need to be outlawed because it destroys Amazon."

Skauron · June 2020

What i do find annoying is that we are also seeing the same guilds operating across more than one trade guild name now, but same name but with 2 or II on the end and taking up the available slots.. so other guilds are not getting a smell in.

I feel sorry for guilds trying to get one, i really do.

Neatle · June 2020

If these stupid guild merchant's weren't scammers with an house-cut going over 7% on each transactions maybe that would help