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Spam sell in chat (zone ect...) That's enough now !

KinnikuBeam
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A great endless debate continues but,we can't stand it anymore.

Players who spam their links all day long (sometimes more than a dozen in a row) in the chat to sell and make easy money (by cutting prices), this is no longer bearable.

Firstly: they bother other players who are looking for help ect ....

Secondly: this way they privatize the sales in these areas and prevent the other players from selling

Third: they kill the economy of the game, because ultimately the players do not farm or go see the guild merchants.

Fourth: in this way they do not participate in the economic life of a guild (which is more than important for its survival) what is the interest.

This has been going on for too long, something has to be done, otherwise the guild merchants will be forgotten (except the best places) and many players will be left behind because of thi
Edited by KinnikuBeam on June 24, 2020 3:22PM
  • Artorias24
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    You know, some players dont want to join trading guilds and can use the zone chat to sell their stuff.

    Nothing wrong Here.
  • Hoolielulu
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    Not enough people are selling enough goods in zone chat to wreck the guild merchant system.
    Edited by Hoolielulu on June 24, 2020 1:02PM
  • Nestor
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    There should be a Trade Channel.

    And a Guild Recruit Channel

    The mechanics of enforcing, or better, encouraging use, would be tricky.
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  • AmoralOne
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    I have read this, and I have to say.. SHHH

    Ima keep selling my gold mats (Ros, Tem, Wax) for 5k on the street. I cant be asked to get a guild trader, nor have the time to want to wait for them to sell at 8k. lol

    Most times I will link what I am selling with prices and wait. If I get a couple people buying I will stay in that zone, and keep 'spamming' once the buyers dry up I will move to a new zone, or if I sell everything I just go on richer than I was before.

    Sorry if me being an entrepreneur bothers you

    [Edited Cause I Learned To Spell Yesterday]
    Edited by AmoralOne on June 24, 2020 4:53PM
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  • AlnilamE
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    I've never bought anything in zone chat and I have no problem with people selling there.

    If someone is spamming, you can block them.
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  • OmniDo
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    I sold some of my mats yesterday to someone advertising in Zone chat.
    It was all CoD, convenient, easy, and profitable.

    No Guild Trader Fees, no having to look stuff up on a third-party web site, no addons, it was great.
  • Concrete
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    Please keep the guild monopolies to control prices. I do enjoy paying 10000gp for something that takes 30 min to farm.
  • Mr_Walker
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    I belong to 3 trading guilds, and another that usually has a trader in a good spot, and I still sell things occasionally in zone, usually low value items I have picked up along the way, but out of courtesy I only link 3 items (rarely sometimes 4), and always advertise them with a fixed price, I hate the guessing games.

    Nothing wrong with it as long as you don't spam zone with 20 items, that starts to get stupid. As long as you show some courtesy it's cool I reckon.
  • kathandira
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    A great endless debate continues but,we can't stand it anymore.

    Players who spam their links all day long (sometimes more than a dozen in a row) in the chat to sell and make easy money (by cutting prices), this is no longer bearable.

    Firstly: they bother other players who are looking for help ect ....

    Secondly: this way they privatize the sales in these areas and prevent the other players from selling

    Third: they kill the economy of the game, because ultimately the players do not farm or go see the guild merchants.

    Fourth: in this way they do not participate in the economic life of a guild (which is more than important for its survival) what is the interest.

    This has been going on for too long, something has to be done, otherwise the guild merchants will be forgotten (except the best places) and many players will be left behind because of thi

    If a games economy is so fragile that people not selling in the mandated way is a major disruption, then maybe the economic design of the game is trash.
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  • Masterken
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    black markets exists even in real life..why not in a game...
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  • pauld1_ESO
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    How about you play the game the way you want to play it and let others do the same? You are like Wal-Mart trying to put the little girl with the Lemonade stand out of business. It's absurd really and I hope we can identify what trader guild(s) you are a part of so we can boycott them.
  • VaranisArano
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    Selling in Zone chat is fine.

    Spamming? There's an Ignore button for that.

    Spamming to excess? Report it to ZOS and see if they agree with you.
  • Zer0_CooL
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    I sometimes offer low prices to make a bargain and sell it with profit in guildstores. But people who believe they can actually ask the same price as in guildstores are just rediculous.

    Nothing wrong with ofering in zonechat. If it anoys you, list your inventory and his offers wont be visible any further.
  • Odovacar
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    I still like to do a little old school /zone chat selling. It always feels a little more traditional because you're reaching out to the community in a raw form. I do hate spamming of good though. PS4 NA & EU has a pretty good spam system and it'll boot you if you do (and sometimes for no reason at all :D ).
  • zergbase_ESO
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    A great endless debate continues but,we can't stand it anymore.

    Players who spam their links all day long (sometimes more than a dozen in a row) in the chat to sell and make easy money (by cutting prices), this is no longer bearable.

    Firstly: they bother other players who are looking for help ect ....

    Secondly: this way they privatize the sales in these areas and prevent the other players from selling

    Third: they kill the economy of the game, because ultimately the players do not farm or go see the guild merchants.

    Fourth: in this way they do not participate in the economic life of a guild (which is more than important for its survival) what is the interest.

    This has been going on for too long, something has to be done, otherwise the guild merchants will be forgotten (except the best places) and many players will be left behind because of thi

    Naw; I will keep selling in zone on my 2nd account. It is not worth hassle for me to deal with trading guilds and their fees. If there was an auction house I would use it; but sadly there is not so I use zone chat. I still have 500+ items to sell so enjoy my postings filling up chat windows.
  • KinnikuBeam
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    The same player, who stays all day on the same map, and who links every 5 mins more than 10 links, this is really unbearable and should not be allowed, all this player kill the game,
  • SpacemanSpiff1
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    the only negative is clogging up zone chat, although zone chat is mostly garbage anyway.

    points 2 through 4 are non-issues.
    Nestor wrote: »
    There should be a Trade Channel.

    And a Guild Recruit Channel

    The mechanics of enforcing, or better, encouraging use, would be tricky.

    agreed.
  • Lannharr
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    Not to mention the amount of languages used in the EU server zone chat to sell stuff, recruit, ect..
    Edited by Lannharr on June 24, 2020 1:34PM
  • Daemons_Bane
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    Lannharr wrote: »
    Not the mention the amount of languages used in the EU server zone chat to sell stuff, recruit, ect..

    you could just get the Clean My Chat addon for that :)
  • Lannharr
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    Lannharr wrote: »
    Not the mention the amount of languages used in the EU server zone chat to sell stuff, recruit, ect..

    you could just get the Clean My Chat addon for that :)

    I think it's time. Thanks for the tip!
  • SolidusPrime
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    I don't mind personally. I have never seen anything that is too bothersome, and definitely never anything like 10 or 12 messages in a row. That sounds like an extreme exaggeration to me.
  • KinnikuBeam
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    I don't mind personally. I have never seen anything that is too bothersome, and definitely never anything like 10 or 12 messages in a row. That sounds like an extreme exaggeration to me.

    come on xbox eu server and you can see :)
  • SidraWillowsky
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    The only thing that annoys me is when they say "pst with offer" like it's some kind of blind auction. Or the players selling carries who seem to spam zone chat in every single zone 24/7.
  • Cadbury
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    Hey, have a heart!
    Those poor players selling vamp/ww bites for 10k have to eat, too.
    "If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."
  • charlycdn
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    WTS CARRY RUNS. I hate all of them.

    I have 20-30 of them in my ignore list.

    Have "ignore list" a limit or is unlimited?
  • Reverb
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    I’m far more annoyed by the constant message spamming by people selling carries. Those are nonstop, at least on the PC-NA server. People selling items in chat are using the one way around the guild-based economy. I am a supporter of the trade guild structure and I am a supporter of direct player-to-player sales through chat.

    If someone is spamming to the point of breaking the TOS just report and block them. Otherwise they are just as entitled to the open chat channel as anyone else is, including your “players looking for help” example which is a clear case of you trying to gain support for your position via sympathy rather than reason or policy.

    These players are contributing to a free market, they are not preventing other players from selling nor are they destroying the economy, as you allege. Zone sellers have existed since day 1, yet plenty of us have had strong sales and wealth through the trader economy all this time.
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  • Xologamer
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    charlycdn wrote: »
    WTS CARRY RUNS. I hate all of them.

    I have 20-30 of them in my ignore list.

    Have "ignore list" a limit or is unlimited?

    same limet as friendlist i think(100)
    [snip]

    [edited for baiting]
    Edited by ZOS_Lunar on June 24, 2020 6:04PM
  • Kalik_Gold
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    This is original MMO selling... create a bazaar zone or trade channel (works across all zones) and let them sell their wares without needing a guild.
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    Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.

    Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.

    Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...

    Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.

    Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.

    The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.

    Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.

    After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.

    After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...

    Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.

    Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.

    {time moves forward through the hour-glass}
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  • Bucky_13
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    A great endless debate continues but,we can't stand it anymore.

    Players who spam their links all day long (sometimes more than a dozen in a row) in the chat to sell and make easy money (by cutting prices), this is no longer bearable.

    Firstly: they bother other players who are looking for help ect ....

    Secondly: this way they privatize the sales in these areas and prevent the other players from selling

    Third: they kill the economy of the game, because ultimately the players do not farm or go see the guild merchants.

    Fourth: in this way they do not participate in the economic life of a guild (which is more than important for its survival) what is the interest.

    This has been going on for too long, something has to be done, otherwise the guild merchants will be forgotten (except the best places) and many players will be left behind because of thi

    Naw; I will keep selling in zone on my 2nd account. It is not worth hassle for me to deal with trading guilds and their fees. If there was an auction house I would use it; but sadly there is not so I use zone chat. I still have 500+ items to sell so enjoy my postings filling up chat windows.

    I'm in 2 guilds in good locations. I've donated exactly 0 gold to both guilds in the last year. They both have minimum sales requirement OR donation if you fail to reach the sales goal. I usually spend 5 minutes listing things on Monday morning, and unless there's a botched maintenance I usually reach those sale goals when I log into the game in the evening. Then I usually list things 2-5 times , depending on how much gold I wanna earn.

    It's not worth the hassle for me to spend time spamming the zone chats with WTS when I can spend my time doing other things. It just too convenient to use a trader for me to bother with selling through chat.

    EDIT: I will never join a guild that requires fees tho.
    Edited by Bucky_13 on June 24, 2020 3:15PM
  • Lannharr
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    Kalik_Gold wrote: »
    This is original MMO selling... create a bazaar zone or trade channel (works across all zones) and let them sell their wares without needing a guild.

    100% Agreed.
    Edited by Lannharr on June 24, 2020 3:32PM
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