I would say so. But you're taking a pretty sizable leap of faith building gold gear you don't need on the promise they will pay later. I don't craft gear for people I don't know until they give me all the mats first. I don't need them to stand next to me, that's kind of weird. But if they wanted to I would understand as it requires some trust on their part, especially if they want gold gear.

I've had randos say they will pay me and/or give me the mats after they get their gear, but that will never happen. Too many grifters out there. If they need the gear, the risk is on their end, not mine.

50k is nowhere near the cost to gold out 10+ pieces, so would say they probably took advantage just a little bit

I craft for friends only, unless someone makes an exorbitant offer up front.

Never craft legendary gear without getting mats first. They were definitely trying to take advantage. I hope you didn't send them the gear! I'm sorry that someone tried to abuse your kindness. I stopped doing any zone crafting requests

I would really like to craft for others (even just guild members) more often, but the amount of hassle and time involved, is just too much.
They don't need to stand next to you while you're crafting stuff (may not even be possible if you're doing it in a guild hall they don't have access to). But for me, they need to agree to a price beforehand (and wait for a few minutes while I count all the stuff that's needed, and I don't even charge for some of the mats), and possibly supply the materials I need and don't have (like nirncrux, or prismatic glyphs).
If I don't know the person, I think I'll also just say that it'll take 15-20 minutes for communication in the future. I haven't had someone doing dungeons in the meantime, but when you wait five minutes for an answer to a simple question, it's not fun.

P.S. "just pick something cool" is not an answer to "which style?". Available options are a specific style, or "doesn't matter".

I think more communication was needed from the start. Especially if you don’t both speak the same language. Lesson learned though.
I never upgrade to gold when I craft for others. I upgrade to blue, purple if they provide gold, upgrade to gold if they provide mats. I don’t have such an excess amount of tempers that I can gold out something without any firm/solid assurances.

entshuldegung bitte, ich bin eine dummer amerikanner.

is most of the German i know! it i bet i spelled it all wrong!

hahahahah

Would not even start making legendary gear for them before receiving the gold mats/expensive trait mats minimum, I don't tend to be as fussed about the other mats, so long as the tip is good it covers them with no problems.

Maybe if its just weapons but never full sets, the highest quality gear I will make someone before receiving payment/mats is usually purple at most.



Ultimately its up to you who you choose to craft for and what you expect from them, if what they are supplying is lacking tell them why and what you need before you will start in a calm clear manner.

I expect everything researched on their part, all the mats ready to mail to me, with a complete list of what they want made for reference.

Once I get the mats in the mail, I port to either my favorite guild house or the guild house of the guild my guild mate is also in if they want to do a direct trade of the mats and gear rather than using the mail.

Once I get every thing, I spend some time allow about 10 minutes making it, constantly checking the letter telling me what they wanted, sometimes whispering the customer to clarify anything that is missing from their letter. Once its all done I mail all the gear to them or hunt them down if their mail box is full.

Tip is up to the customer once they receive their order.


For example:

I have had one person in the past who wanted gear made, send me 100K to make them to full gold sets, complete list in the letter of what they wanted made and I could keep the change as a tip, because that 100K was expected to cover the cost of all the mats involved.

I returned their mail and sent a mail to them with a complete list of the mats required for their order and kindly asked them to shop for their own mats to mail me before I started making their order.

At first I heard nothing back from him, two months later he mailed his order again, with all the mats I had requested, I made him the gear and mailed it to him.

After chatting with him I learned, that initially he had gotten the 100K in a daily log in reward and thought he was finally rich enough for gold gear, it took him the two months of casual play to buy everything on the list I mailed him and understood why I had returned his original order request.

I declined a tip. The guy still orders stuff from me because he knows I am not going to screw him over.

I may not be online as much as I use to but still make a point to log in at least once a day, any orders get taken care of, after I check my mail.

What I don't understand is how people don't realize how important crafting is to their characters.

Even if they don't want to craft items, they still need the traits for transmutation. And if they do even casual gathering, they can have the mats.

I believe everyone should be crafting for themselves. I have one toon with skill points in crafting so I can upgrade something that has caught my fancy.

Tl:dr- People who don't do their own crafting are missing out.

If you don't set some hard rules for your crafting people will waste your time. I've been in too many situations in this game where I went out of my way to help strangers (not just with crafting) where you end up feeling like you've been taking advantage off. If my crafting job is gonna take more than 15 minutes because the other person wasn't prepared I am not inclined to do it. After all it's something THEY want and I don't want payment, only mats covered.

I always say "send me a mail with a list of exactly what you need, pieces, weight, trait, style along with the mats or gold to reasonably cover the mats and I will craft and send it to you by latest tomorrow". If they forget important info or materials I straight up send the mail back. This puts many people off as they are afraid I would scam them which is just fine by me as it means less trouble. It is so endlessly annoying to run after people to help them get THEIR stuff crafted.

Now, am i wrong to think that this person is taking advantage of my kindness? Should they be standing next to me and going to get mats when i message them whats needed and bringing it back to me since they clearly dont have anything it seems in their inventory, craft bag, bank space, chest some somewhere?

Yes and yes, unfortunately. This person sounds entitled as hell, and they basically scammed you. I'm so sorry it happened to you.
I personally don't even start crafting until they bring me the mats. Well, unless they're a newbie and just need some gear to start with, but someone who wants to upgrade to full legendary is probably not a fresh cp160 newbie. And it is certainly not normal to ignore the crafter and then refuse the send the materials... It's no different from scamming.

NupidStoob wrote: »

Bradyfjord wrote: »

What I don't understand is how people don't realize how important crafting is to their characters.

Even if they don't want to craft items, they still need the traits for transmutation. And if they do even casual gathering, they can have the mats.

I believe everyone should be crafting for themselves. I have one toon with skill points in crafting so I can upgrade something that has caught my fancy.

Tl:dr- People who don't do their own crafting are missing out.

If someone wants something transmuted they don't know the trait for they can simply take any of their chars that hasn't the trait researched and research it in a few hours. Without craftbag crafting is horrible and it's also a massive timesink. I can totally understand why someone who only plays one to two hours a day and doesn't have ESO+ wouldn't want to bother with it.

I too see why they would want it. Crafting has costs in the form of time, mats, and sometimes currency. These can be in short supply sometimes. But it is rude for someone to not place some value in the time, mats, and currency a crafter may have to spend to make gear for a player.

This is why, even if it takes a long time, it is so valuable to have the traits on one of their characters. The research can happen while they are offline, so it's not something that needs micromanaging. And most of the traits will come with gear drops while leveling if they are willing to funnel them to a crafter character.

I say again, I can understand why they don't want to do it, but I was trying to highlight how they are only holding themselves back. The player asking for gear behaved as if he had no empathy for the human being willing to help him, and treated him rather poorly. He certainly didn't deserve the kindness the crafter showed him.

redspecter23 wrote: »

You got taken advantage of. If you happen to have any of the conversation screenshotted, I'd report it. I hesitate to do crafting for anyone I don't know but if I do, I use my own mats and they pay for everything up front. Keeps things simple.

The fact you’d report something that’s completely avoidable and by definition is “your fault,” is asinine. This should in no way be reportable and the OP can blame no one but himself.

To the OP: You need to make yourself some rules. Next time, before you craft anything, you need to make sure they give you the mats before doing anything. Learn from your mistake and realize there are people who don’t have honest intentions.