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Any chance Blood for blood could work with sorc's crystal proc in the future?
Hey there, i'm a new player and heard about blood for blood being pretty good, i'd like to use it as it would greatly if not completely fix my sustain issues as a mag sorcerer in pve. I don't know how long balance patches takes or how well the devs listen to the community. So is there any chance bfb could proc crystal fragment in the near future or is there no chance at all/it might happen but in a year from now? :c
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Joxer61✭✭✭✭✭Ummm, no. It uses health.....Frags procs off magic based skills...simples.
Have you tried the other morph?2 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Some classes synergize well with certain abilities and sets, while others do not or even receive a detriment while doing so. This is something that does not work well with Sorcerer dps and that's just how it is.
Why would you play Sorcerer as a dps anyway? It has no use outside of Maelstrom Arena.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
My debut album on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Gleandra/videos3 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ummm, no. It uses health.....Frags procs off magic based skills...simples.
Have you tried the other morph?
The vampire spammable does scale with magicka, so it is magic-based. If ZOS went the extra mile to patch Equilibrium to not proc certain sets, they should also fix Blood for Blood to proc frags.2 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Some classes synergize well with certain abilities and sets, while others do not or even receive a detriment while doing so. This is something that does not work well with Sorcerer dps and that's just how it is.
Why would you play Sorcerer as a dps anyway? It has no use outside of Maelstrom Arena.
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Joxer61✭✭✭✭✭Ummm, no. It uses health.....Frags procs off magic based skills...simples.
Have you tried the other morph?
The vampire spammable does scale with magicka, so it is magic-based. If ZOS went the extra mile to patch Equilibrium to not proc certain sets, they should also fix Blood for Blood to proc frags.
Blood for Blood
Slice an enemy open, dealing 3226 Magic Damage.
Deals up to 100% more damage based on your missing Health.
Costs health to use and increases the damage bonus.
Eviscerate Rank IV
1962 Health
Instant
5m
The other morph uses magicka.0 -
Yamenstein✭✭✭✭✭Ummm, no. It uses health.....Frags procs off magic based skills...simples.
Have you tried the other morph?
The vampire spammable does scale with magicka, so it is magic-based. If ZOS went the extra mile to patch Equilibrium to not proc certain sets, they should also fix Blood for Blood to proc frags.
Blood for Blood
Slice an enemy open, dealing 3226 Magic Damage.
Deals up to 100% more damage based on your missing Health.
Costs health to use and increases the damage bonus.
Eviscerate Rank IV
1962 Health
Instant
5m
The other morph uses magicka.
Haven't played sorcerer in ages but does crystal frag get proceed of the magic damage or just because the skill used Magicka?
Blood for blood might cost health but it scales of Magicka/spell damage.Edited by Yamenstein on June 3, 2020 2:09PMCrown Crates are a trap. Don't fall for the gamble! Balance? What Balance? Balance, smellance.
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ummm, no. It uses health.....Frags procs off magic based skills...simples.
Have you tried the other morph?
The vampire spammable does scale with magicka, so it is magic-based. If ZOS went the extra mile to patch Equilibrium to not proc certain sets, they should also fix Blood for Blood to proc frags.
Blood for Blood
Slice an enemy open, dealing 3226 Magic Damage.
Deals up to 100% more damage based on your missing Health.
Costs health to use and increases the damage bonus.
Eviscerate Rank IV
1962 Health
Instant
5m
The other morph uses magicka.
It deals magic damage and scales with max mag and spellpower. It's a magic skill. So it should proc frags.
Magic cost activation, Yamen.0 -
blendertoes✭✭✭The tooltip says “Magicka ability” and whether you agree with the implementation or not, the game interprets that as an ability that costs Magicka. Since blood for blood costs health, it should not proc frags.4
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catnamedwill✭✭✭Ummm, no. It uses health.....Frags procs off magic based skills...simples.
Have you tried the other morph?
The vampire spammable does scale with magicka, so it is magic-based. If ZOS went the extra mile to patch Equilibrium to not proc certain sets, they should also fix Blood for Blood to proc frags.
Blood for Blood
Slice an enemy open, dealing 3226 Magic Damage.
Deals up to 100% more damage based on your missing Health.
Costs health to use and increases the damage bonus.
Eviscerate Rank IV
1962 Health
Instant
5m
The other morph uses magicka.
It deals magic damage and scales with max mag and spellpower. It's a magic skill. So it should proc frags.
Magic cost activation, Yamen.
No it should not, Frag specifically states magicka abilities. Scaling with magicka, dealing magic dmage and magicka skill is not the same. Ultimates scale with magicka, they are not magicka skills as per say. Skills like Shade, Ritual of Repentance scale with stamina but does not cost stamina. They do not benefit from the CP passive that benefits stamina skills.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭catnamedwill wrote: »Ummm, no. It uses health.....Frags procs off magic based skills...simples.
Have you tried the other morph?
The vampire spammable does scale with magicka, so it is magic-based. If ZOS went the extra mile to patch Equilibrium to not proc certain sets, they should also fix Blood for Blood to proc frags.
Blood for Blood
Slice an enemy open, dealing 3226 Magic Damage.
Deals up to 100% more damage based on your missing Health.
Costs health to use and increases the damage bonus.
Eviscerate Rank IV
1962 Health
Instant
5m
The other morph uses magicka.
It deals magic damage and scales with max mag and spellpower. It's a magic skill. So it should proc frags.
Magic cost activation, Yamen.
No it should not, Frag specifically states magicka abilities. Scaling with magicka, dealing magic dmage and magicka skill is not the same. Ultimates scale with magicka, they are not magicka skills as per say. Skills like Shade, Ritual of Repentance scale with stamina but does not cost stamina. They do not benefit from the CP passive that benefits stamina skills.
It IS the same. Frags are supposed to be used on a magicka sorc. That's why they proc from magicka costs. When they were designed, no health cost spammable was in the game. Yet, it is now, it is used on magicka builds. It is a magic ability. ZOS didn't think this through.1 -
Joxer61✭✭✭✭✭[snip] believe what you want, use what you want.
[edited to remove insulting comments]Edited by ZOS_Ragnar on June 3, 2020 4:18PM0 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This wouldn’t be much of an issue if Daedric Tomb interacted better with hitboxes. It doesn’t make any sense that the largest bosses in the game struggle to pop even a single mine. These should just share the code of skills like Barbed Trap and Scalding Rune, both of which work great on bosses of all shapes and sizes.
I don’t really mind a single skill having a unique interaction that makes it better on some classes than others, I just want viable ways to build around these exceptions, which requires skills to function.3 -
Darkstride✭✭Arterial Burst (the other morph) is still really good on a Sorcerer, and has good synergy with Critical Surge since it auto-crits at low health.1
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Jacozilla✭✭✭✭✭Ummm, no. It uses health.....Frags procs off magic based skills...simples.
Have you tried the other morph?Ummm, no. It uses health.....Frags procs off magic based skills...simples.
Have you tried the other morph?
It IS a magic based skill. The tooltip dmg scales off max mag, not max resource or health. (Which is why stam chars can’t use it b/c it hits like a wet noodle for max stam based chars)
It may drain health on use, like spell symmetry, but since it scales only off max mag pool, it should proc cfrags regardless whether you take health drain or mag morph.
Otherwise, only logical way you could defend this skill not proccing cfrag is call it a health based skill - but if that we’re so, then consistent with every other resource tied skill, the dmg should scale off max health pool, not mag.2 -
Joxer61✭✭✭✭✭Darkstride wrote: »Arterial Burst (the other morph) is still really good on a Sorcerer, and has good synergy with Critical Surge since it auto-crits at low health.
There ya go......aka, what I said..."the other morph".
Blood for Blood USES health, it WIL NOT proc a magicka skill...period. Its a weird little skill really...if it was just health, stam
would benefit, which would be very cool. But its "scales" off magicka, yet "uses" health, so stam is therefore screwed. Shame really, since its melee and all I reckon Stam would LOVE this skill...missed opportunity ZOS? hmmmmm
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Darkstride wrote: »Arterial Burst (the other morph) is still really good on a Sorcerer, and has good synergy with Critical Surge since it auto-crits at low health.
There ya go......aka, what I said..."the other morph".
Blood for Blood USES health, it WIL NOT proc a magicka skill...period. Its a weird little skill really...if it was just health, stam
would benefit, which would be very cool. But its "scales" off magicka, yet "uses" health, so stam is therefore screwed. Shame really, since its melee and all I reckon Stam would LOVE this skill...missed opportunity ZOS? hmmmmm
So lemme get this straight. Because of an arbitrary skill description it's fine that vampirism is completely useless on a dps sorc, while other classes can use it to up their dps in a good group?
O-kayyy?
You know what? Screw it. If you wanna argue using questionable skill descriptions, here goes. Vampires are stronger than mortals. Blood Scions are stronger than vampires. That ultimate should increase my damage by over 9000%, because something something perfect predator, says pale floaty lady.
See how shallow your argument is?2 -
Yamenstein✭✭✭✭✭ZOS needs to revamp their revamp.
Just use arterial burst and hope that ZOS realises it's a useless morph and changes it to something more useful.Crown Crates are a trap. Don't fall for the gamble! Balance? What Balance? Balance, smellance.
Necro for them RP feels.1