MrBrownstone wrote: »

Lol 60 - 50 = 10 learn math dude xD

You are wrong!

Without battelsprit: 10k Heal
With battelspirit (50%): 5k heal
Whit the new battelspirt(60%): 4k heal

4k heal is 20% less than 5k heal!

Healing is currently overpowered in PVP.
This change to healing is welcomed and well deserved
Instead of complaining about this change, I suggest to enjoy a better balanced combat when it will be released.

Qbiken wrote: »

Universe wrote: »

Healing is currently overpowered in PVP.
This change to healing is welcomed and well deserved
Instead of complaining about this change, I suggest to enjoy a better balanced combat when it will be released.

This change doesn't change the current imbalance. Overperforming healing classws such as stamcro, warden, stamdk and general crosshealing will still remain strong for bigger groups and zergs. Solo players and smaller groups (who doesn't need more nerfs) and classes such as nightblade and stamsorc, will feel the biggest impact, since their healing is already one of the weakest.

This change doesn't fix anything

It doesn't seem like it.
Anyway I think it will be best to wait for the PTS actual testing instead of making assumptions.
The PTS will be available on Monday so at least it will be possible to test it soon

As someone who plays as a healer I find this disturbing. I would like to see this apply to self heals only. Heals from someone else should not get the nerf.

Kalante wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

yes please nerf healing finally.

@Kalante
Wait till it bites you back then you'll be wishing it to never even exist/be suggested in the first place.

Not really, bursting people will be a lot easier instead of them getting instant carry by spamming a fat heal that gives them back more than half their health. Do you even play pvp? Have you seen stam necro passive healing and mag plar healing?

@Kalante
Do I even play PvP? *laughs in Battle Spirit when it was just 25%*
I've seen issues and have been in this game long enough to know how this will be effectively worse for you and everyone else. That includes the ones who are advocating for the 20% heal nerfs. It's your choice to play the all-out burst with little to no survival tactics and counter-heals rotation so don't blame it on strong heals. You lack the rotation needed to interrupt someone from healing effectively.

I can hardly bash interrupt someone resing, you expect me to have a clean rotation with this terrible lag? I know a thing or two about my rotation its not like ive mained the stam nb for over 300 days. Also how do you heal interrupt a stam necro exactly? who's heals are passive. They just pop up that little wraith and that's it no skill needed. Here two scenarios that need to happen perfectly. The only way to kill a decent stam necro is for them to hopefully forget that their wraith is down and then incap stun relentless light, SA them, thats the first scenario, the second one is to hope and pray to god that the server is not having a stroke at that precise moment of the burst. If not otherwise they will just get up and instantly heal again because of that broken passive that they have, the lower the health the stronger the mending is.

@Kalante
Gosh don't take the interrupt literally. I'm talking about skills and attacks that impede healing by a memorable amount. DoTs, soft and hard CCs, major/minor defile, penetration, cost increase poisons perhaps? Build to stack for one or two aspects and you'll find that those heals, aren't so OP after all.
Sometimes an opponent has to be worn down first before you can kill them. Other times, it's a straight case of putting down DoT pressure and stuns to get the kill. Can't believe I have to write this down for you.

do you play stam nb? please tell me what Im doing wrong. It's not like 10k impen with minor defile, minor beserker, relentless incap hard cc combo with minor vulnerability isn't enough. Do you have something better than that?

@Kalante
So you're telling me, that this happens on ALL your encounters? If so, then it might not be a problem with them. That speaks volumes on where you think the problem is. And if it's a one-time occurrence, is it really a reasonable nerf? Just because you can't kill that one player who probably is specced for heals and tankiness?
Your build, playstyle and rotation are pretty much all over the place. but let's not get off topic, this thread isn't about discussing builds. That would have to be discussed in other thread.

Bashev wrote: »

Luckylancer wrote: »

Lets say our BoL heal 10k in PvE. If you enter PvP, it will heal 5k.

In PTS, it gonna heal 4k. 4/5=80% of current healing at PvP.

Therefore healing nerf is -20% of current PvP numbers.

Battle spirit is the final multiplayer of damage calculations and it is never addative. Healers cant compansate with getting +20% healing from somewhere else. That +20% will dilute with dimishing returns because it is addative.

Thx for reading. Lets see how it will play out.

Actually you need 25% more healing now to have the pre nerf values.

4k now to get 5k (prenerf) it means I need 25% more healing.
This is like major mending all the time.

The selection you highlighted is still correct though. It's a 20% reduction, not 25%. In any case, I think he's basically the same thing you are later on in his post:

Luckylancer wrote: »

...-20% nerf at battle spirit triumphs all other way of nerf. Because battle spirit in never addative, it is the final multiplayer of damage calculation. It is where they should strike. Lets try the changes at ptr...

healing nerf is literally not dealing with any of the actual issues in cyrodiil, it is much bigger nerf for smallscale, groups are already overhealing and this nerf does change very little for them, maybe they swap somebody from templar to warden and that's about it, meanwhile no skill playstyles and builds will be still running rampant

People still seem to heal as quickly as they always did.
Can't be that bad.

Why should a group of 3 lose to 10 people exactly?

Superior numbers has always been a contributing factor to victory in warfare? I don't think they should always lose, (with superior tactics, skills, and gear few can stand against many) but generally speaking the term overwhelming comes to mind.

Edit: managed to screw up the quote function so cleaned it up for simplicity

yeah i' m gonna need to change my stamsorc build, again. Even though resolving vigor was barely enough before the patch I was thinking of changing to echoing to support our smallscale group. But now with my current gear i can't get enough healing to keep myself alive in majority of fights while i'm solo. Fought few other stamsorcs as well, some of them were seem to using their old gear like me thus having less heals from their trusty vigor. One of them went full sonic the hedhehog and was probably using wild hunt ring, he was fast but again, he was getting so little heals so died too.
I've tried werewolf too, it feels a lot better now but it is kind of impossible to solo wolf, or I should make a proper build for it probably. Since the only heal is magicka based and it heals %60 less than it should, not enough i would say. At least for my current build i need to try something different on that.
And don't start with "claws of life", that thing is just cheap vigor on werewolf now, and something to take nightblades out of stealth.
TL;DR: Heal nerf hits solo-smallscale players hard, and doesn't affect ball groups at all.