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Rich Lambert's stance on perfected master and maelstrom weapons
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Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »MurderMostFoul wrote: »I can understand disagreeing with ZOS. I can understand even being a bit peeved. But the outrage so many are expressing here is patently uncalled for. It just not that big of a deal.
Folks need to take a chill pill. There are much more important issues in the world. Spend your time, energy, and emotional investment protesting them.
As gaming is often an outlet for many, you don't want to come to play a game with the knowledge that things could've been done in a better way. There are already so many performance issues that players just don't want to have to have things taken away.
What exactly is being taken away here?
That's part of the issue, this is so emotionally loaded that while nothing is actually being taken away from anyone, it certainly feels as if individuals are being robbed of their time invested (and what that spells for the future with respect to other rewards/accomplishments/efforts) -- I think the 'taken away', however figurative or incorrect in literal terms, is the only way people know to describe that, and that only makes the debate harder to retain as instead of being a point to explain or build an argument on, it becomes one to question or hang counterpoint against. However, previous posters have put elegantly into words exactly what is meant by that out of context phrase, and I think it's disingenuous at this point in the thread to circle back to that pin prickling again.
"I have invested time completing normal maelstrom arena before. Zos should give me normal maelstrom arena weapons."
Do those of you who dont like the current implementation agree with this statement?
The difference being that normal has never dropped weapons. Weapons were only available in vet and all existing weapons are the vet rewards. Until U26.
The same as veteran has never dropped perfected weapons as the reward. Until U26.
What im getting is that people are hurt that their semi-exclusive weapons will now be more accessible to newer players.
wrong VMA weapons used to be almost identical to the "new" perfected versions but were then nerfed, the new perfected is just a rework of the weapons we already had and got nerfed3 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Alienoutlaw wrote: »CleymenZero wrote: »MurderMostFoul wrote: »I can understand disagreeing with ZOS. I can understand even being a bit peeved. But the outrage so many are expressing here is patently uncalled for. It just not that big of a deal.
Folks need to take a chill pill. There are much more important issues in the world. Spend your time, energy, and emotional investment protesting them.
As gaming is often an outlet for many, you don't want to come to play a game with the knowledge that things could've been done in a better way. There are already so many performance issues that players just don't want to have to have things taken away.
What exactly is being taken away here?
That's part of the issue, this is so emotionally loaded that while nothing is actually being taken away from anyone, it certainly feels as if individuals are being robbed of their time invested (and what that spells for the future with respect to other rewards/accomplishments/efforts) -- I think the 'taken away', however figurative or incorrect in literal terms, is the only way people know to describe that, and that only makes the debate harder to retain as instead of being a point to explain or build an argument on, it becomes one to question or hang counterpoint against. However, previous posters have put elegantly into words exactly what is meant by that out of context phrase, and I think it's disingenuous at this point in the thread to circle back to that pin prickling again.
"I have invested time completing normal maelstrom arena before. Zos should give me normal maelstrom arena weapons."
Do those of you who dont like the current implementation agree with this statement?
The difference being that normal has never dropped weapons. Weapons were only available in vet and all existing weapons are the vet rewards. Until U26.
The same as veteran has never dropped perfected weapons as the reward. Until U26.
What im getting is that people are hurt that their semi-exclusive weapons will now be more accessible to newer players.
wrong VMA weapons used to be almost identical to the "new" perfected versions but were then nerfed, the new perfected is just a rework of the weapons we already had and got nerfed
Thats a bit of a misrepresentation. The original design of the maelstrom weapon was changed from a unique enchantment on the item to a unique buff on an enchantable item. To balance the power out additional bonuses were removed. The new stats added back are not in all cases identical to those that were lost, and in fairness, they're mostly negligible and underwhelming. It's equally fallacious to the debate at hand to throw up this falsehood as to use the ridiculous car analogy.
Bottom line is simply that veteran rewards earnt from completing veteran content no longer qualify as meeting the criteria for a veteran reward. That's crappy enough without fanning unnecessary flames.
You do have a point that when the overall design of the weapons changed, at that point, technically the current maelstrom weapons were entirely new items, similar distinction between current and perfect. Yet no one who already had one in their possession had to refarm.Edited by mairwen85 on May 26, 2020 1:25AM4 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Milli_Rabbit wrote: »The reality is that if you want BiS and want to min/max you are going to grind for it. That is the nature of MAXIMUM POWER. Wanting to min/max while also not wanting to grind for it is just a poor way of thinking that will leave you disappointed in most games. If you don't want to min/max, then why do you care? Play the game for what makes it fun and don't worry about grinds you don't want to do. Those are really the only two realistic outlooks. Anything else is just causing yourself undue burden.
I have played video games since I could hold a controller. MMOs since the early 2000s, in fact I played one of the very first MMOs to have lootboxes. I have never NEVER had my work invalidated by a game putting my gear in a lesser version of the same dungeon and then been asked to regrind content I already beat to maintain the same power advantage I already had. Not even once.17 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »
I'll give him respect when he's re-earned it.
He's probably thinking the same about the community.
Look at how quickly forum trolls are all over topics here and they quickly devolve into- people with nothing to say but just wanting to type something clever
- people just there to mock the OP or other posters
- people who don't bother reading but jumping in to type unrelated rubbish
- people who bash and bait, etcetera
@ZOS_RichLambert made a mistake by talking to a player. People don't like the response so they take to the forums to crucify him.
Same when he made a meant-to-be-funny comment about the forums melting down in "end of the world" mode when a mess of PTS changes were on the way. The forum applied their double standard and vilified him too.
Stinks of online bullying.
Edited by Dusk_Coven on May 26, 2020 3:15AM2 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭silvereyes wrote: »It's that ZOS is arbitrarily telling us that we needn't have bothered challenging ourselves with vet arenas before tomorrow, because we could have gotten the exact same reward by waiting and doing much easier content. That effort was worthless.
Shouldn't that go both ways?
If they overtuned something that made content too easy, the achievements should be removed?
Like everyone who relied on Necromancer when it was overtuned.
Or everyone using the animation cancelling glitch.
What if vMA is harder now because of skill and set changes since it was released? Would you destroy your current weapon earned when it was easy, to re-earn it all over?
Seems players are only too happy to exploit ZOS's mistakes and changes.
Wanting a free upgrade is just trying to reframe the situation from entitlement to victim.Edited by Dusk_Coven on May 26, 2020 3:13AM2 -
JinxxND✭✭✭✭This is exactly why the current devs of this game are a complete joke. At this point you should only enjoy the game for what it is and just hope the next mmo has a better team of devs that actually have logic and care for the player basePC NA -
'Jinxx - Nightblade
'Jinxx X Necromancer10 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Small reminding to everyone to try being civil, I know we are all frustrated, but non-constractive and bashy comments are a no no. Just.... Try to hold hope that the more constructive ones will get through... We will know in 12 hours.2 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »
I'll give him respect when he's re-earned it.
He's probably thinking the same about the community.
Look at how quickly forum trolls are all over topics here and they quickly devolve into- people with nothing to say but just wanting to type something clever
- people just there to mock the OP or other posters
- people who don't bother reading but jumping in to type unrelated rubbish
- people who bash and bait, etcetera
ZOS_RichLambert made a mistake by talking to a player. People don't like the response so they take to the forums to crucify him.
Same when he made a meant-to-be-funny comment about the forums melting down in "end of the world" mode when a mess of PTS changes were on the way. The forum applied their double standard and vilified him too.
Stinks of online bullying.
Forum was way more polite and positive just a year ago, when Elsweyr was going to be released. Most tension was in stamNB vs magsorc discussions. ZOS told us there will be communication, ZOS told us about class representative program. I remember after hilarious changes of U23, class reps were preparing documents where they gathered community feedback on balance changes. Where is all that now?
Most what we receive is "Hey, gang" once per update. Thanks to Brian at least for that.
If ZOS decided to not upgrade those weapons, they should've bring reasonable explanations. If they want us to re-run VMA, VDSA, they should've add something new to this arenas, new mechanics, new bosses, new levels and perfected gear as reward for those levels. In that case nobody will object.
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Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭He's right. Just because you bought a 2018 car doesn't mean you get the 2020 model when it comes out.
Traditionally is a game with levels, all gear becomes worthless when a new expansion comes out. ESO does not use traditional level system, but that doesn't mean you get the new stuff handed to you.
but what if all I did was lease my car? Cuz yep I can get that 20201 -
John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »
I'll give him respect when he's re-earned it.
He's probably thinking the same about the community.
Look at how quickly forum trolls are all over topics here and they quickly devolve into- people with nothing to say but just wanting to type something clever
- people just there to mock the OP or other posters
- people who don't bother reading but jumping in to type unrelated rubbish
- people who bash and bait, etcetera
@ZOS_RichLambert made a mistake by talking to a player. People don't like the response so they take to the forums to crucify him.
Same when he made a meant-to-be-funny comment about the forums melting down in "end of the world" mode when a mess of PTS changes were on the way. The forum applied their double standard and vilified him too.
Stinks of online bullying.
So he can apply his double standards to us in first place, and people are supposed to turn the other cheek instead of going to forums and calling him out for being a hypocrite. Sorry, but not happening. People tried be constructive, and were neglected. People asked for dialogue and were fed lies (dungeon finder 'bug', mmmhm, su-u-u-ure, it's a bug but we'll cap the server anyway). People reported glaring bugs and bugs aren't getting fixed for years. People believed in rep program, and reps ended up being a decorative PR tool. So, no. We don't need funny anymore. We need honesty and openness. We're given neither. Between the two sides, ZOS are the biggest bullies around, and they shouldn't be surprised that people simply reply them in kind.14 -
HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »
I'll give him respect when he's re-earned it.
He's probably thinking the same about the community.
Look at how quickly forum trolls are all over topics here and they quickly devolve into- people with nothing to say but just wanting to type something clever
- people just there to mock the OP or other posters
- people who don't bother reading but jumping in to type unrelated rubbish
- people who bash and bait, etcetera
ZOS_RichLambert made a mistake by talking to a player. People don't like the response so they take to the forums to crucify him.
Same when he made a meant-to-be-funny comment about the forums melting down in "end of the world" mode when a mess of PTS changes were on the way. The forum applied their double standard and vilified him too.
Stinks of online bullying.
Forum was way more polite and positive just a year ago, when Elsweyr was going to be released. Most tension was in stamNB vs magsorc discussions. ZOS told us there will be communication, ZOS told us about class representative program. I remember after hilarious changes of U23, class reps were preparing documents where they gathered community feedback on balance changes. Where is all that now?
Most what we receive is "Hey, gang" once per update. Thanks to Brian at least for that.
If ZOS decided to not upgrade those weapons, they should've bring reasonable explanations. If they want us to re-run VMA, VDSA, they should've add something new to this arenas, new mechanics, new bosses, new levels and perfected gear as reward for those levels. In that case nobody will object.
Looking back, I agree. Forums last year, chaotic and whiny as it was (and always will be) was a lot less toxic than now. It's a better environment when a community is split between the balance between classes. Now though it's this issue along with performance issues, balance issues, and boycotts.
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Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭The car logistics makes zero since especially since all i do is lease mine so every 3 years I get that new car for ZERO especially since its the same make and model with only a few upgrades each year so yep good job using car logic that makes no since 😂9 -
silvereyes✭✭✭✭✭
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None of these make any sense to me. I'm really trying to see your point of view, but I'm just scratching my head. What does any of this have to do with restructuring reward tiers for vet content?Dusk_Coven wrote: »
Shouldn't that go both ways?silvereyes wrote: »It's that ZOS is arbitrarily telling us that we needn't have bothered challenging ourselves with vet arenas before tomorrow, because we could have gotten the exact same reward by waiting and doing much easier content. That effort was worthless.
If they overtuned something that made content too easy, the achievements should be removed?
Like everyone who relied on Necromancer when it was overtuned.
Or everyone using the animation cancelling glitch.
What if vMA is harder now because of skill and set changes since it was released? Would you destroy your current weapon earned when it was easy, to re-earn it all over?
I can't think of a single example that makes any sense that would be a "both ways" opposite. The opposite situation would be if normal dropped special gear and veteran didn't, and then ZOS changed all existing normal drops to more powerful vet drops and then made new weaker drops for normal. That's a nonsense situation that would never happen.[PC/NA] @silvereyes | My Addons on ESOUI.com1 -
CleymenZero✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »silvereyes wrote: »It's that ZOS is arbitrarily telling us that we needn't have bothered challenging ourselves with vet arenas before tomorrow, because we could have gotten the exact same reward by waiting and doing much easier content. That effort was worthless.
Shouldn't that go both ways?
If they overtuned something that made content too easy, the achievements should be removed?
Like everyone who relied on Necromancer when it was overtuned.
Or everyone using the animation cancelling glitch.
What if vMA is harder now because of skill and set changes since it was released? Would you destroy your current weapon earned when it was easy, to re-earn it all over?
Seems players are only too happy to exploit ZOS's mistakes and changes.
Wanting a free upgrade is just trying to reframe the situation from entitlement to victim.
Posts like this never fail to surprise me... I'm always baffled at how off the track some of you are. Half the threads where I see the word entitlement are completely out of line and your comment isn't any different.
It's not entitlement to not want to see fake content creation. I avoid games that raise the level cap like the pest because I find it is the laziest form of content creation and the change coming to perfected weapons is just that.
In the past months, I've seen and left 2 games that did something like that and that's Borderlands 3 and Division 2. With their expansion and rework they invalidated hours of work and sent the entire playerbase into a re-farm cycle.
What is happening with old new perfected weapons is like increasing the power level. It's like the weapon was CP 170 because the change is not super significant but just do a stat check on a CP 150 piece of gear. Not very significant yet you won't stick with a piece of cp 150 gear, you'll grind the cp 160. So when some people tell an endgame player "nobody's forcing you to grind it" they're being hypocritical.
The other issue has to do with the means of acquisition. They're not changing anything to obtain the new perfected weapons, there's NOTHING different so why consider them different and waste everybody's time? If they made it harder to obtain perfected, I'd understand if they didn't update it but they're not changing anything.
It's a waste of time and resources and as open minded as I am about understanding other people's point of view, I haven't seen 1 reason for not upgrading the weapons and plenty good reasons as to why they should be updated.
And let's face it, if they updated the weapons frkn the get go, absolutely nobody would've cried foul. The majority of the community consider this move to be senseless so it makes it that much harder to justify their decision.4 -
CleymenZero✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have to say that I am at least a but impressed that they've decided to reopen this thread. It doesn't make them look as bad.0 -
VoidCommander✭✭✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It comes down to respecting your players' time. Those who farmed the weapons completed the content on vet. U26 will turn their vet rewards into normal rewards. Nothing about the content has changed. Vet weapons should remain vet weapons.
If BiS is not an issue then the issue is that their hard earned weapons will be available to all "peasants".
Now that, while psychologically understandable, is truly laughable.
Your argument is laughable. I am happy for my friends who can't beat vMA currently because the weapons will help. Most of them take my advice in high regard and understand that vMA is a proving ground that will teach a player to persevere and in the end will make them a much better player. This is an issue of devaluing time and nothing more.
People keep talking about devaluing time... its an mmo inwhich grind plays a heavy part. If you truly value your time so much, then you wouldn't be playing the game in the first place.
ESO was always known as MMO which is less grindy than most others, which is one of things it's valued for. If it's going the route of adding more stupid repetitive grind, then indeed there's way less incentive to play it over other MMOs, simple as that.
THIS^^^^^^^^^^^ 1000 times THIS^^^^^^^^9 -
silvereyes✭✭✭✭✭
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Keep in mind that it's a holiday in the US today. We'll see if the thread is still here in the morning.CleymenZero wrote: »I have to say that I am at least a but impressed that they've decided to reopen this thread. It doesn't make them look as bad.[PC/NA] @silvereyes | My Addons on ESOUI.com0 -
CMz✭✭✭I for one will vote with my time, and it will not be spent running vet content to replace vet weapons that I have already earned through hundreds of hours of game time. Their message to me is that my time does not matter to them, conversely the time they wasted making these schemes and changes do not matter to me. They will not get one minute more in MA from me. Ever.8 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »
I'll give him respect when he's re-earned it.
He's probably thinking the same about the community.
Look at how quickly forum trolls are all over topics here and they quickly devolve into- people with nothing to say but just wanting to type something clever
- people just there to mock the OP or other posters
- people who don't bother reading but jumping in to type unrelated rubbish
- people who bash and bait, etcetera
@ZOS_RichLambert made a mistake by talking to a player. People don't like the response so they take to the forums to crucify him.
Same when he made a meant-to-be-funny comment about the forums melting down in "end of the world" mode when a mess of PTS changes were on the way. The forum applied their double standard and vilified him too.
Stinks of online bullying.
lolokaydood.4 -
soniku4ikblis✭✭✭I am glad I never farmed any of these weapons.
Can't wait to enjoy farming them now.__._-*._._._.-*'"{Sonic Euphoric Bliss}"'*-._._._.*-_.__3 -
kind_hero✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Despite the disappointing arrogant attitude, which shows how our feedback is taken,
I must say the only positive thing out of this is that I won't need to farm vMA ever again, because I do not care about the small stat they added with the "perfected" version of the weapons. The normal MA is quite easy and the weapons are very good. Even some of the sets like succession are worth farming.
For me it was brutally hard to get through vMA. I was lucky to get the weapon I wanted in the first runs, but it felt as a great achievement, and as a weapon that was earned. I watched many tutorials, I had to improve my playstyle, to adjust my build and my gear, to learn mechanics and do things I did not think I would, and these efforts granted me that reward. However, I beat your content, don't try to trick me into running it again, unless I really want to.
From my point of view, they are "downgrading" my weapons by replacing them with the ones people will get from normal. It's true... in a sense they can't downgrade my sense of achievement and the joy I got by beating that arena, because I know how I got those weapons, but from now on, they will be the same with the ones I will get from normal MA. It is a very bad move for many reasons. One reason is creating a precedent. I love ESO because we don't have to level up and regear after each DLC or chapter. This is what keeps me playing it. Now it is like they added an other level to vMA and you need to level up. (yeah, I know, you don't need to do anything, but this is how games work.. you either level up or quit them). ESO has a wonderful horizontal progression. People can get good gear rather easy, with some exceptions. The Asylum staff was one. I don't have it and I respected players who had it for their commitment. vMA weapons were also a show of skill and commitment. Now, I think they are giving a very powerful weapon way too easy, but that isn't my problem, if I want to show off I can refarm vMA. I just don't think this strategy of changing stuff like this is good for the game.[PC/EU] Tamriel Hero, Stormproof, Grand Master Crafter10 -
MercilessnVexed✭✭✭✭Yes, this is how a new expansion works RE weapons. It IS a carrot being dangled, and perhaps they should have just put new gear out there that was bigger/better/stronger/faster/whatever. But that's not what they did and, in fact, this mirrors almost every other MMORPG out there. Unfortunately, what slashlurk may need is just to work on his people skills a bit. The presentation was lacking. But he's direct, gotta give him that. Me? I like direct. I don't want sugary words and beating around the bush. S'okay, we go farming again. No big deal.0 -
Env_t✭✭✭but its actually a buff for casual players who can do normal but never will able to beat vet
now they can have their own vma weapons!0 -
hamgatan✭✭✭✭✭Beastygrowls wrote: »It IS a carrot being dangled
Yeah but you know what they say about polishing a turd...
PC / NA - 1900 CP
PvE Tanks
L50 Imperial DK (US/DC) "Rampant Rabbit"
L50 Nord Necro (US/DC) "Skeletons In The Closet"
L50 Nord Arcanist (US/EP) "Now Thats a Huge Witch"
PvE Healers
L50 Argonian MagPlar (US/EP) "Smothers-With-Pillows"
L50 Breton MagWarden (US/EP) "Drunk-The-Koolaid"
L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Never Goanna Heal You Up"
PvE DPS
L50 PvE DPS Khajit MagDK (US/EP) "Snowflake Crusher"
L50 Dunmer Stam Arcanist PvE DPS (US/EP) "Sends-The-Trout"
L50 Altmer MagSorc PvE DPS (US/DC) "Acirrum" - The vMA/vvH Potatoaky Sorc
L50 Breton StamCro PvE DPS (US/DC) "Ivanna Fakakakis"
L50 PvE DPS Argonian StamPlar (US/EP) "The Rusty Argonian Spade"
L50 PvE DPS Khajit StamPlar (US/EP) "Critteh Kitteh"
L50 Dunmer MagDK PvE DPS (US/DC) "Deep Fried Bin Chicken"
Bank Skanks
L20 Redguard StamBlade PvP Tank (US/AD) "Sneak Dogg"
L40 Orc StamDen PvE DPS (US/EP) "Fugly Betty"
PvP DPS
L50 Orc StamSorc PvE DPS (US/AD) "Fraggle Proc"
Xbox One / NA - 360 CPL50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Cork Soaking"
L10 Argonian Templar (US/EP) "Makes-Me-Moist"
L10 Argonian MagDK (US/EP) "<Forced-Name-Change>"
L27 Altmer MagSorc (US/EP) "Sorcie McSorcface"
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mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭but its actually a buff for casual players who can do normal but never will able to beat vet
now they can have their own vma weapons!
And that is absolutely fine, they can have them. I have zero issue with normal rewards dropping for completing normal content -- it's only fair. What I take umbrage with is that rewards earned from veteran content no longer count as veteran rewards. If I want a veteran reward, I should clear veteran content for it. OK, cool, that's great, and I agree with that --- but I already did... so why am I rewarded for clearing normal? I didn't earn my rewards from normal content.12 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good grief, this guy's responses are along the lines of what I'd expect to see from a 13 year old troll in zone chat. His garbage analogy shows the thinking of a teenager as well.
This exchange does explain a lot though — I'm no longer confused as to why this game continues to get worse.
"Heh"Edited by Langeston on May 26, 2020 8:46AM10 -
siddique✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lol, I think this game is run by children. Since the past few months especially I have noticed:
1. High handed forum moderation.
2. Rude customer support. (They used to be very good once, I actually had to tell one agent to try enrolling in an etiquette class.)
3. Clueless game changes.
4. No idea about balance or combat whatsoever.
5. No interest in fixing numerous issues and bugs, rather tinkering with stuff that's not broken. VMA weapons for instance.
6. Progressively lazy programming and designing.
6a. Re-Skinning same mounts.
6b. Locked houses in new zones.
7. A general lack of interest towards the player base.
I love Elder Scrolls and have been a fan of the franchise since Morrowind first came out, and I spend an unhealthy amount of time on ESO, but some of the points I have mentioned make me want to play less and less everyday.Edited by siddique on May 26, 2020 8:48AM"Knee-jerk reactionist."
Lost Depths, 2015-2022.11 -
Chrysa1is✭✭✭✭✭
✭I grinded weeks into March of Sacrifices to get 2 Blood Moon daggers and all the armour pieces in the correct trait. I did the dungeon easily over 100 times. We all know you can only get dungeon set weapons from final bosses, chests and if you are very very lucky, ads.
Him saying that, pfft well, might as well cut me open and dangle my guts in front of me. Not cool.Edited by Chrysa1is on May 26, 2020 9:12AM2 -
seerevaloc✭✭✭When I wrote and said `This guys have no vision, neither know what's their approach` for ESO combat system, some among you started bootlicking and sarcasm immediately.
I still say;
This
Guys
Do not
Know
W[..]
They
Are
Doing.
They
Don't
Have
Any Established
Approach
... Don't think they're doing some serious *** in that building all day long lol. Don't take it so serious. It's ZOS!
Enjoy while you've something, the rest is trash already.
Kind regards,5 -
EmEm_Oh✭✭✭✭✭Wow if this is true...those answers...
Is this guy a responsible working adult representing his profession or an in game troll? (slashlurk)
oO
If new more powerful weapons come out in 2026...you want those as well? Without refarming?
The legacy weapons don't lose power. If you want MORE POWER...yah need to play to get the perfected versions.
If anyone thought vMA weapons were never going to be tweaked without a refarm...they were misinformed. It's been several years without so much as a tiny nerf/buff...which is amazing, considering all the changes lately.Edited by EmEm_Oh on May 26, 2020 9:26AM0
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