John_Falstaff wrote: »So you haven't read PTS and don't know about Asylum staff changes. Figures.
ne.ga.kurai_ESO wrote: »The ZOS apologists on here make me feel like I'm talking to [snip]
What baffles me is that some people who are defending Rich in this post is the same people i’ve seen in previous post talking about how they do not care for VMA and other arena contents... why are you here then?
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It's a case of turning "not gaining" into "losing". Just because someone refuses to farm perfected weapons it doesn't mean they're losing what they already have. Also from what I've read maesltrom weapons are getting a baseline buff. So who's losing really?
From what I understand, people lose BiS. And BiS is everything.
VMA weapons are BiS, BiS will be perfected VMA weapons starting tomorrow, people need BiS, whatever's not BiS is worth zero in their eyes, so they lose literally everything by losing BiS.
That's all there's to it, really. Plus, the image factor of wearing a non-perfected Maelstroem weapon, which will be available to all of us peasants from tomorrow on.
Some may feel like Rich says : want the newest fastest shiniest car ? Pay again.
But many may feel like their life savings have just melted into the void through a sudden 10000% inflation. The banknotes may still show 100$ face value, but they aren't worth a dime anymore.
I truly understand both points of view. But guess what ? Bottom line, I feel even happier to have dropped min-maxing and "competition" in this game, and to have stopped VMA progression at the third stage. I feel no frustration whatsoever.
(That being said, I am again horrified by the lack of respect people show in this thread towards ZOS employees - including Rich, who's done nothing wrong and nothing "unprofessional", and by the way so many of you pretend to know how to run a company like ZOS - while presenting evidence in every single of their sentences that they don't have a clue).
It comes down to respecting your players' time. Those who farmed the weapons completed the content on vet. U26 will turn their vet rewards into normal rewards. Nothing about the content has changed. Vet weapons should remain vet weapons.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It's a case of turning "not gaining" into "losing". Just because someone refuses to farm perfected weapons it doesn't mean they're losing what they already have. Also from what I've read maesltrom weapons are getting a baseline buff. So who's losing really?
From what I understand, people lose BiS. And BiS is everything.
VMA weapons are BiS, BiS will be perfected VMA weapons starting tomorrow, people need BiS, whatever's not BiS is worth zero in their eyes, so they lose literally everything by losing BiS.
That's all there's to it, really. Plus, the image factor of wearing a non-perfected Maelstroem weapon, which will be available to all of us peasants from tomorrow on.
Some may feel like Rich says : want the newest fastest shiniest car ? Pay again.
But many may feel like their life savings have just melted into the void through a sudden 10000% inflation. The banknotes may still show 100$ face value, but they aren't worth a dime anymore.
I truly understand both points of view. But guess what ? Bottom line, I feel even happier to have dropped min-maxing and "competition" in this game, and to have stopped VMA progression at the third stage. I feel no frustration whatsoever.
(That being said, I am again horrified by the lack of respect people show in this thread towards ZOS employees - including Rich, who's done nothing wrong and nothing "unprofessional", and by the way so many of you pretend to know how to run a company like ZOS - while presenting evidence in every single of their sentences that they don't have a clue).
If you think this has to do with the perfected items being BiS you actually don't understand both points of view. The pen bonus on the maelstrom staff is laughable. You'll either overpen on backbar or underpen on front bar. @T3hasiangod did an entire video on it showing different parses between the weapons with adjusted CP. Also a video for the bow as well, which has the same issue but with weapon crit.
It comes down to respecting your players' time. Those who farmed the weapons completed the content on vet. U26 will turn their vet rewards into normal rewards. Nothing about the content has changed. Vet weapons should remain vet weapons.
Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »Well to be honest he is right
We farmed the normal varient not the perfected one
We did not earn the perfected version under any circomtance and is is analogy with the car is the perfect exemple
To those who say we had those in the past, its not totaly true
The one you had in the past could not have an enchantment on top of the stat bonus and the weapon effect so on paper are stronger than the og weapon( did not test im on ps4)
Also it breath life back in old content
In the end its my opinion and it may differ from yours but its ok
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »What baffles me is that some people who are defending Rich in this post is the same people i’ve seen in previous post talking about how they do not care for VMA and other arena contents... why are you here then?
If you do care that much about VMA, why does it bother you so much to run it again ? What are you doing whining here ? You should be happy to have a new fresh reason to run your favourite content.
ne.ga.kurai_ESO wrote: »The ZOS apologists on here make me feel like I'm talking to [snip]
I find it curious that some go to such lengths to defend ZOSs position as if they would gain anything by doing that.
On the other hand, the large number of trolls that support ZOS on this issue says quite a lot about the entire discussion.
It's not like ZOS would lose anything by keeping vet rewards vet rewards. So why would they go out their way to make players unhappy?
John_Falstaff wrote: »So you haven't read PTS and don't know about Asylum staff changes. Figures.
If there is a VAS thread we might want to discuss that over there.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It comes down to respecting your players' time. Those who farmed the weapons completed the content on vet. U26 will turn their vet rewards into normal rewards. Nothing about the content has changed. Vet weapons should remain vet weapons.
If BiS is not an issue then the issue is that their hard earned weapons will be available to all "peasants".
Now that, while psychologically understandable, is truly laughable.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It comes down to respecting your players' time. Those who farmed the weapons completed the content on vet. U26 will turn their vet rewards into normal rewards. Nothing about the content has changed. Vet weapons should remain vet weapons.
If BiS is not an issue then the issue is that their hard earned weapons will be available to all "peasants".
Now that, while psychologically understandable, is truly laughable.
Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
It's a case of turning "not gaining" into "losing". Just because someone refuses to farm perfected weapons it doesn't mean they're losing what they already have. Also from what I've read maesltrom weapons are getting a baseline buff. So who's losing really?
Huh? Do you remember that they stripped 1p boni of maelstrom weapons in the past just to reintroduce them now on "new items"? So on the long term we're losing out very well.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It comes down to respecting your players' time. Those who farmed the weapons completed the content on vet. U26 will turn their vet rewards into normal rewards. Nothing about the content has changed. Vet weapons should remain vet weapons.
If BiS is not an issue then the issue is that their hard earned weapons will be available to all "peasants".
Now that, while psychologically understandable, is truly laughable.
Your argument is laughable. I am happy for my friends who can't beat vMA currently because the weapons will help. Most of them take my advice in high regard and understand that vMA is a proving ground that will teach a player to persevere and in the end will make them a much better player. This is an issue of devaluing time and nothing more.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It comes down to respecting your players' time. Those who farmed the weapons completed the content on vet. U26 will turn their vet rewards into normal rewards. Nothing about the content has changed. Vet weapons should remain vet weapons.
If BiS is not an issue then the issue is that their hard earned weapons will be available to all "peasants".
Now that, while psychologically understandable, is truly laughable.
Your argument is laughable. I am happy for my friends who can't beat vMA currently because the weapons will help. Most of them take my advice in high regard and understand that vMA is a proving ground that will teach a player to persevere and in the end will make them a much better player. This is an issue of devaluing time and nothing more.
People keep talking about devaluing time... its an mmo inwhich grind plays a heavy part. If you truly value your time so much, then you wouldn't be playing the game in the first place.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It comes down to respecting your players' time. Those who farmed the weapons completed the content on vet. U26 will turn their vet rewards into normal rewards. Nothing about the content has changed. Vet weapons should remain vet weapons.
If BiS is not an issue then the issue is that their hard earned weapons will be available to all "peasants".
Now that, while psychologically understandable, is truly laughable.
Your argument is laughable. I am happy for my friends who can't beat vMA currently because the weapons will help. Most of them take my advice in high regard and understand that vMA is a proving ground that will teach a player to persevere and in the end will make them a much better player. This is an issue of devaluing time and nothing more.
People keep talking about devaluing time... its an mmo inwhich grind plays a heavy part. If you truly value your time so much, then you wouldn't be playing the game in the first place.
GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Looking at this screenshot, the frustrating part of the communication is how Rich Lambert pretends to be confused and not understand why players like Baloo might be annoyed -- you can see this by Lambert's use of question marks. He is using question marks to undermine the significance of the player's emotion/argument and establish superiority, as if he (Lambert) knows best and is disciplining a child by making them think about how foolish they are for not being able to understand a decision (you will often see parents employ this tactic because they know they hold power over the child when it comes to final decision-making).
Lambert would have been fine if he had just stopped there, but the hilarious part arises when Lambert attempts to justify his stance, and deploys an argument consisting of a poorly thought-out analogy which falls flat on its face -- this is where the child (players) catches the parent being lazy and exposes their faulty logic.
Now, we are at the part where the parent (Lambert) just stays quiet and says "go to your room" because he knows that his logic has been defeated and his only move is to assert his position of power and silence/ignore the child (players). The screenshot discussion and subsequent silence paints Lambert in a situation where he can't admit his logic was faulty, so he simply asserts dominance. This whole situation is emotionally-laced and just silly.
This is a misunderstanding, although out of context, I can definitely see how someone might interpret the commotion that way.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »If BiS is not an issue then the issue is that their hard earned weapons will be available to all "peasants".
I don't either. Nor do most of the people I have seen who are critical of ZOS' stance on how to treat existing veteran arena weapons.Baloo doesn't have a problem with players getting access to non-perfected weapons in normal next patch.
John_Falstaff wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It comes down to respecting your players' time. Those who farmed the weapons completed the content on vet. U26 will turn their vet rewards into normal rewards. Nothing about the content has changed. Vet weapons should remain vet weapons.
If BiS is not an issue then the issue is that their hard earned weapons will be available to all "peasants".
Now that, while psychologically understandable, is truly laughable.
Your argument is laughable. I am happy for my friends who can't beat vMA currently because the weapons will help. Most of them take my advice in high regard and understand that vMA is a proving ground that will teach a player to persevere and in the end will make them a much better player. This is an issue of devaluing time and nothing more.
People keep talking about devaluing time... its an mmo inwhich grind plays a heavy part. If you truly value your time so much, then you wouldn't be playing the game in the first place.
ESO was always known as MMO which is less grindy than most others, which is one of things it's valued for. If it's going the route of adding more stupid repetitive grind, then indeed there's way less incentive to play it over other MMOs, simple as that.
John_Falstaff wrote: »ESO was always known as MMO which is less grindy than most others, which is one of things it's valued for. If it's going the route of adding more stupid repetitive grind, then indeed there's way less incentive to play it over other MMOs, simple as that.
ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »Further proof the devs don't really play their own game.
John_Falstaff wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It comes down to respecting your players' time. Those who farmed the weapons completed the content on vet. U26 will turn their vet rewards into normal rewards. Nothing about the content has changed. Vet weapons should remain vet weapons.
If BiS is not an issue then the issue is that their hard earned weapons will be available to all "peasants".
Now that, while psychologically understandable, is truly laughable.
Your argument is laughable. I am happy for my friends who can't beat vMA currently because the weapons will help. Most of them take my advice in high regard and understand that vMA is a proving ground that will teach a player to persevere and in the end will make them a much better player. This is an issue of devaluing time and nothing more.
People keep talking about devaluing time... its an mmo inwhich grind plays a heavy part. If you truly value your time so much, then you wouldn't be playing the game in the first place.
ESO was always known as MMO which is less grindy than most others, which is one of things it's valued for. If it's going the route of adding more stupid repetitive grind, then indeed there's way less incentive to play it over other MMOs, simple as that.
I mean I've run crypt of hearts about 50 times with no ebon lightning staff. There are similar situations with other items. Many people grind city of ash forever for the bsw inferno. Alkosh shield and lightning also sucks as a farm. There's a pretty huge item grind in this game to get exactly what you want.
I find it curious that the people who dont like the implementation is calling those who agree with it as apologists, as if stating for a fact that their opinion is the correct opinion.
protofeckless wrote: »FWIW, my car gets a software update monthly, so it's a better product now than when I bought it. Also, it's under warranty, so the manufacturer fixes *** that's broken. In any case I'm not required to re-pay for the car I paid for in the first place.
Whoever came up with the car analogy on this is a moron.