Really you had to make this thread?

Lamae Bal was not trained as a warrior, she was a Priestess of Arkay and likely a peasant where as Lord Harkon was a trained warrior and a King, Lamae Bal likely wouldn't even know how to fight and would be killed with moderate difficulty by any competent warrior let alone one who is a vampire lord, the fact her crypt is in coldharbour by the second era is proof someone already killed her and as for Lord Harkon, Valerica stated that Lord Harkon had never been beaten even after she witnessed the Dragonborn defeat a Dragon, Hundreds of people had tried to slay him and every single one of them failed.

But if you want a real powerful vampire I say the Post-Dragonborn LDB is more powerful then both of them combined.

Lamae Bal is ancient.
Don't let her girlish looks fool you.

She is really mighty, Harkon can't hold up with her.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Why did this get necro'd from over a year ago?

Did Mannimarco decide to show off his powers of thread necromancy because he's facing off against Lamae Bal in the other thread or something?

(Also, random Mankar Camoran, what?)

This is actually part of ZOS's upcoming reveal of the new Necromancer class.

They're adding it to the forums first.

once again I gotta come to Lamae's defense on this one.

(preface this by saying I'm more of a WW person and do not have a vampire in ESO *gasp* so not fanboying over this just looking at relevant data)

Lamae is the progenitor vampire, for those who don't know that effectively means all vampire strains come from her.

now Harkon did indeed get his vampirism straight from molag bal

**AS FAR AS WE KNOW**

even the official lore says this could be made up by Harkon, as the only way known to be a pure blooded vampire is to be sacrificed to Molag Bal, "dominated" and not die during your "domination" that's why Lamae and other true blooded vampires are called "daughters of cold harbor" because they were all women. (this ritual is NOT easily survived, we know of only THREE survivors in all TES history iirc despite many being sacrificed)

however Daedric princes are genderless and appear as what they want, the term "prince" has no gender connotation in this case.

that said the only source we have for if Harkon is pure Blooded or not is Harkon himself, who says that he is, was a king, and sacrificed around one thousand of his people to get his power from Molag Bal.

reinforcing Harkon himself is the ONLY source we have for all of this information, so take that as you will.

**history lesson over**

molag bal as far as we know does not give out different forms of vampirism to different people, the different forms of vampirism are effectively "strains" of the progenitor virus. so technically all forms of vampirism have theoretical access to the same abilities, it just depends how close to the progenitor stain you get, and what traits your "master" had.

obviously like any curse or virus with strains some things can be recessive or require training to unlock or require a pure strain of vampirism, as well as singular strains branch off and get diluted generation after generation your going to end up with MANY forms of vampirism, some clearly weaker then others (see vampirism in EVERY TES game EVER)

**vampirism genetics over**

now onto Lamae vs Harkon and why I feel she would win.

the idea that Harkon is a warrior and was a king while Lamae was only a priestess so she losses is silly, that's maybe 20ish years of adultish life in an immortal existence, there is NOTHING preventing her from dedicating a few decades to martial or magical proficiencies, she has all the time in the world to get stronger as she sees fit.

she survived a domination from the daedric prince of domination that was supposed to kill her, a ritual that has killed other sacrifices, I'm sure she is pretty tough (note harkon did not survive this as he attained his power by other means *supposedly* so we don't know if he could)

she is the progenitor vampire, that is original strain, at its purest and most ancient form, if a vampire ability or power exists, she has access to it, the end. take the strongest power from every strain in every TES game and just hand it over to her.

she has a power unique to the progenitor vampire (herself) in that for every vampire spawned by her, or by one of her spawn, her power multiplies, nearly every vampire in every game trace their strain back to her, its like reverse highlander. no other vampire is noted as having this power in any way shape or form.

vampires get stronger as they age (in both lore and in game, as vampire strength relates to age, ancient vampires and all that) and she is the oldest.

so yeah

sorry but she is just OP levels of strong, the only thing people can usually bring up is that she has never been in another game other then ESO and has not executed any plots or schemes for some sort of power like other baddies have.

on the flip side she's is still alive because of it and was probably more powerful then they would have been in the first place

after all with both age and the number of people infected directly increasing her power its better to sit back and simply grow stronger till you hit a point where your pretty much a god. (anyone who has played plague inc knows there tends to be a "critical mass" point )

He could easily win against a wahmen.

Harkon has a stronger strain than Lamae Bal. Saying that Lamae is stronger than Harkon because of age is like saying the first computer ever made is stronger than a modern day computer. The age of a vampire is meaningless when they have no magical prowess to back it up...Especially since Harkon is apart of a Vampire Lord bloodline.


I don't even like vampires and I know this.

Also why was this necro'd?

lol at people voting lamae when theyve never seen her in combat

Lamae has the title of being "The First Vampire" but would that be enough in comparison to Harkon? In terms of power Lamae was forced into it due to the events surrounding her transformation, but Harkon willfully did what was required to gain Molags favor and become the person we face in TES V. Even if they were at the same power level, Id argue that Harkon spent more time cultivating it in combat, where as Lamae (As we see her in ESO) kind of just gives us her strain, and lets her "children" bring havoc to Tamriel, she isnt seen as someone who does direct combat, where as Harkon does.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Why did this get necro'd from over a year ago?

Did Mannimarco decide to show off his powers of thread necromancy because he's facing off against Lamae Bal in the other thread or something?

He strikes again!

After seeing the changes in U26 I'm certain that there can only be one winner here...