Should there be a trial finder tool?

brassmaster12 · May 2020

Just curious what people think. Personally I feel like their should be but not the way the “group finder tool” works. I think if they were to add they could make it more like the guild finder tool, people can set requirements, etc etc and people can request to join the trial group. It saves having to ask in zone chat and their being no replies or completely dead. Just my idea, but eh what do I know.

majulook · May 2020

Yes. But after they’ve fixed other issues first

For normal Trials this would be nice, not so much for vet Trials. BUT... They need to fix other stuff first.

Atherakhia · May 2020

Yes. It would be a really helpful tool

Sure. It'll be no different than a vet dungeon queue and such.

Another feature I'd like to see them add is the ability to queue for multiple queues at once.

It would be nice if I could queue as a solo player to a dungeon, vet dungeon, random dungeon, trial, and BG at the same time. I don't care what pops first. I just want to do something.

AlnilamE · May 2020

Other

What role configuration would you use for a trial tool? Would it be the same for every trial? What about normal and vet?

daemonios · May 2020

I honestly don't know if the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. I mean, it's not hard going to Belkarth in prime time and advertising you're putting together a trial group/responding to one such advertisement. On the other hand, PUG trials already sometimes disband amid lots of drama, imagine with groups found via a group finder. Lastly, if it's hard to code a program that gets 4 people together, I can only imagine the complexity of doing it for 12 people, not to mention the tool would have to be more flexible regarding roles, as many trials are run with more or fewer tanks/healers than the usual 2 of each.

MEBengalsFan2001 · May 2020

Yes. It would be a really helpful tool

AlnilamE wrote: »

What role configuration would you use for a trial tool? Would it be the same for every trial? What about normal and vet?

It would probably be 3-3-6 since dungeons are 1-1-2.

Nestor · May 2020

No. Too many problems and it will probably be broken anyway

The role mix is different for different trials, so that would be hard to figure out.

What might work is a large hat that you can put your name in so that folks looking for others to do any trial can look in that pool to find others. Instead of relying on Specific Zone and Guild chats to find them. More of a Worldwide Chat Channel than a Tool that forms groups. That might be best for Trials Pugs.

The trick would be to keep the chat operations to Trial Recruitment, and not a spam fest of guild and trade offers.

kylewwefan · May 2020

Yes. It would be a really helpful tool

Hard rules need put into play though. Like a 20 hour ban for choosing the wrong role. Minimum cp. and even still probably no vets.

Odovacar · May 2020

My personal opinion is no for vet, but yes for normal. Lets get rid of these Belkarth statues spaming LF all roles nCR, etc...

Jaxious79 · May 2020

Yes. It would be a really helpful tool

I think it would be a good tool especially for groups that need one or two more people. Just queue up as a team and wait for that one spot to fill.

One problem is in games where group finder was added late it is hard for it to pick up. In swtor for example the ops finder portion is only used in my example above or if the group is already full. In lotro the group finder is never used.

How much would people use a trials finder here or how would they use it I think is another good question to ask.

Malthorne · May 2020

Yes. It would be a really helpful tool

I’m in favor of doing this for normal trials only.
WoW has LFR and FFXIV has the duty finder for its normal/story mode trials. Both of those games have no issues putting together large random groups, so we know it’s doable at least.

Tommy_The_Gun · May 2020

Yes. It would be a really helpful tool

So you have a mmo game, that has a group content, that is intended to play in group and yet, somehow game does not have a match - maker for that content... damn, imagine that happening in other multiplayer games, like mobas or hero-shooters...

^ It is it baffling that after like what 6 years (and 7 if you count beta) such a basic feature is still not in the game...
... Full content support for group finder / match maker... It is just uhh.... lol

Thannazzar · May 2020

No. Too many problems and it will probably be broken anyway

Not unless you can fix the fake tank issue first.

EchoirVarsoj · May 2020

Yes. It would be a really helpful tool

Yes! there should be a Trial Finder Tool. But it should have options to filters players toggling on/off certain restrictions.

There should be already a Group Finder tool, which lets players post messages looking for member to fill their group trials or for players looking to join a specific group.
A tool like this will make the play sessions more enjoyable as players would be able to browse the categories of the Group Finder tool from the zone wherever they are in.

nesakinter · May 2020

No. We don’t need one

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

What role configuration would you use for a trial tool? Would it be the same for every trial? What about normal and vet?

It would probably be 3-3-6 since dungeons are 1-1-2.

You would never complete a vet trial with 6 DPS unless each one is god tier.

AlnilamE · May 2020

Other

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

What role configuration would you use for a trial tool? Would it be the same for every trial? What about normal and vet?

It would probably be 3-3-6 since dungeons are 1-1-2.

That makes no sense, though.

What I was talking about is, do you go 2 tanks, 2 healers, 8 DPS regardless of what trial it is? Do you have a specific set-up for each trial (like AA and HRC don't need an off-tank, but if you are PUGging Maw of Lorkhaj, you better have one).

Or do you have a couple of pre-sets and the crown can choose between 1T-2H-9DPS or 2T-2H-8DPS? Do we add more variation, like having only 1 healer?

Those are the questions that need to be answered.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

So you have a mmo game, that has a group content, that is intended to play in group and yet, somehow game does not have a match - maker for that content... damn, imagine that happening in other multiplayer games, like mobas or hero-shooters...

^ It is it baffling that after like what 6 years (and 7 if you count beta) such a basic feature is still not in the game...
... Full content support for group finder / match maker... It is just uhh.... lol

Again, how would you set up group configuration in a Trial finder?

kichwas · May 2020

Yes. It would be a really helpful tool

Yes;

a general Group Making tool. Like the "Party Finder" of FFXIV.

You open it up, select what you plan to run, what roles you need, the minimum CP you're accepting, and whether or not the completion achievement is required.
- require that the person making the party meets all the requirements they set for it (ie, no using the tool to trick people into carrying you).

Then you set it to either 'open join', 'request to join', or 'password to join'.

(Password to join would be for regular groups to use the tool to get all their members in with ease without needing to be in the same guilds / etc.)

Optionally they could add the ability to require one or more skills be on one of the bars of a person joining for a certain role - such as requiring tanks and healers to have 'warhorn' on their bar... I would recommend this be limited to at most 2 skills that can be so set).
- They could also let you flag it for requiring tanks to have at least 1 taunt skill (or at least 2 taunt skills), and healers to have a restoration staff equipped.

- Obviously the party leader could kick people who mess with things as with any normal party, all the filters would just be so that there would be not as frequent of a need to do so...

Content that could be used in this system:

- dungeons, trials, world bosses, delves, public dungeons, questing, trade, and other.

There would be a text field you could describe your event in, but for all except trade words that refer to buying, selling, and trading would be 'filtered out'.

idk · May 2020

Other

While I personally am not affected by the game not having a "trial group finder" because I have taken the time and initiative to find raiding guilds and put in the small effort needed to start a raid group when the game launched.

However, I will say it would be bad for the game. I speak from experience as SWTOR added their normal raids to the GF years ago and the type of people overwhelmingly used the GF for raids were the lower skill players in the game and were incapable of clearing most of the raids. I tried it a few times to see how well it worked and after explaining the first fight to the group they still lacked a clue because they were inexperienced and poorly skilled players. In the end, Bioware had to seriously nerf all the normal difficulty raids to the point the mechanics were a joke. That is bad for the game.

In ESO, it would certainly not be any better. Granted, the threads complaining about the GF trial groups would be entertaining. It is much better to get off one's duff and find a decent guild that has good leadership. Anyone wanting trials added to the GF is clearly not in a guild that has the leadership that fits their needs.

It would be bad for the game, in the end, to add trials to the GF and I am only talking about normal. Adding vet difficulty would be extremely bad for business.

AgaTheGreat · May 2020

No. Too many problems and it will probably be broken anyway

If there was a trial finder, it would bring drama of untold proportions to the eso community.

ForzaRammer · May 2020

No. We don’t need one

Why can't people just use zone chat

Ysbriel · May 2020

Yes. But after they’ve fixed other issues first

Juxtaposed...

idk · May 2020

Other

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Why can't people just use zone chat

Or find a decent guild that actually meets their needs. So many guilds have full rosters that lack good leadership. Find one that actually works for you or become the solution.

Nairinhe · May 2020

Yes. It would be a really helpful tool

Yes, but only for normals. Having PUG do nHoF with 1.5 tanks I'd say there can be some freedom in group composition. So we could have, say, some set core (2-2-4 for example) and the rest is filled with whoever waited longest in the queue. Just an idea.

Tsar_Gekkou · May 2020

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Why can't people just use zone chat

idk wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Why can't people just use zone chat

Or find a decent guild that actually meets their needs. So many guilds have full rosters that lack good leadership. Find one that actually works for you or become the solution.

Lots of people are just super antisocial and don't want to have to actually interact with someone in an mmo.

Wandering_Immigrant · May 2020

Other

Doesn't have to be just for trials, could have subcategories for quests and trades and whatever else. I never understood why this game doesn't have any sort of manual group finder tool.

For people comparing it to the current auto group finder, unless I'm misunderstanding the OP, this isn't a queue and let the game group you system, this is just a list you put yourself on. So someone looking to do trials would open the group finder, select the trial they want to run, and then (ideally) be able to write a short description that could include classes and roles they're willing and able to go as, as well as any details about their build they want to add, and their intended goal whether it's farming gear or a skin or whatever. Then someone else looking to run trails could go into that list and whisper anyone on it they wanted to and ask if they're interested.

Alienoutlaw · May 2020

No. We don’t need one

we have one its called Craglorn

MaxJrFTW · May 2020

Yes. It would be a really helpful tool

Yes, considering how easy they are.

kargen27 · May 2020

Other

I would like to see another tab or filter added to chat. Something that can be seen in all zones so we don't have to sit in one zone trying to get into a trial group.
I do know why that would not work though. No way would the trolls stay away.

CAB_Life · May 2020

Trials were queueable actually, before One Tamriel and level scaling. I think it would be fine for normal Trials, and it would be nice to have a more robust LFG interface for harder content.

gronoxvx · May 2020

For the millionth time. No.

Taleof2Cities · May 2020

Other

Normal = Yes.

Veteran = No.

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