Balance changes in direct opposition to player feedback and lack of resolution on deep performance issues coupled with poor communication. I can largely look past balance changes or set changes, but when they performance is so bad, it's leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Hopefully it gets better.

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm not paying the same price as Morrowind and Elsweyr for a Chapter with less gameplay changes than Summerset. I'll pick it up on sale when the price to value ratio is better in line with what Greymoor adds to ESO.

I’ve made a similar decision. I don’t have an answer to the poll, because I’ve not tested the changes on PTS, and cancelled my Greymoor pre-order due to the limited value compared to previous chapters. The terrible game performance was also a significant driver for my decision, but I probably would have overlooked that (yet again) if there were a new class, race, skill line, or anything at all considered “must have”.

From my perspective:

- Morrowind - I paid for Warden, HoF, battlegrounds(!), a large map, and nostalgia

- Summerset - I paid for jewelry crafting, Psijic line, Cloudrest, and the chance to explore an area not previously seen in TES games
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- Elsweyr - I paid for Necromancer class, sunspire, and a dissapointingly small map. Dragons were meh

Greymoor - I paid to enable poor decisions and prioritization at the highest level of Zeni. And more nostalgia. No new class, no new crafting or skill lines, rehashing of previously explored maps. Antiquities system is meh.

I personally find that the value of the chapters has diminished with each cycle. There’s absolutely nothing in this release that’s worth getting now instead of waiting a year to get with ESO+

have no problem with the price in general and would be willing to pay it.

But as long as even overland combat is so massively bugged, I will not pay any amount for this chapter.

This is the main reason, besides still feeling pi**ed because of the general handling of PVE in eso, like nerfing rapid manoever, iceheart and more, and ignoring requests to scale difficulty of worldbosses/dragons to the amount of players, and storymode dungeons.

Jaxious79 wrote: »

The dramatic increase in players shows outside of these forums the real players are enjoying game and looking forward to the new chapter.

I would be a bit more realistic here and personally I beg to differ. I am more inclined to think the pandemic forcing people to stay home over the last few months had more of an effect than the game doing dramatically better drawing in more players, etc. In March, when the pandemic restrictions were in full force worldwide, numbers started to rise. ESO saw it's highest peak players ever in April 2020 (see below). ZoS/Bethesda even stated they had major issues due to a huge influx at that time. ZoS themselves also mentioned seeing a large increase in players during April. Numbers are actually going back down to where they were prior to this now that social restrictions are in phased release. While I cannot state the console/launcher only players, we can certainly see the history for Steam users confirming this.

Steam 24H Average

• Pre March: ~15,000+ daily players
• March: ~14,000+ daily players
• April: ~28,000+ daily players (49,061 All time peak EVER in ESO)
• May: ~23,000+

I understand Steam is not the only source of players, so those numbers are surely higher. Peak players are higher than normal (that's great), but the averages are seeing a trend back down. I would think by that logic console/launcher only players are showing somewhat similar trends, it only makes sense.

https://steamcharts.com/app/306130

I want ESO to succeed and be THE #1 MMO in the World, but even after 6 years it's just not there yet. It's a fun game, a lot of great people and community but it has a lot of shortcomings. I really believe if ZoS improved on the weak areas of the game it would solidify it a lot better and make a larger percentage of the player base happier.

Sure, people enjoy this game (myself included) and there is hype for the new chapter as always, but not to almost 2-3x the amount of normal players of every other chapter released for ESO.

Just my 2¢

I’m very disappointed with how there handling the vampire re work this could of been so good.

Jayroo wrote: »

I love how people are judging the DLC based on BASE GAME CONTENT CHANGES. Even if eso loses a playerbase it is YEARS away from being shut down. I've played games that were literal ghost towns for years until they finally shut down. people just like to exaggerate to make their opinions more valid

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No one suggested the game was dying. [Snip] Also I played a lot on the PTS so not sure why the assumption is base game content? There is more than vampire rework to be disappointed about.

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scorpius2k1 wrote: »

Jaxious79 wrote: »

The dramatic increase in players shows outside of these forums the real players are enjoying game and looking forward to the new chapter.

I would be a bit more realistic here and personally I beg to differ. I am more inclined to think the pandemic forcing people to stay home over the last few months had more of an effect than the game doing dramatically better drawing in more players, etc. In March, when the pandemic restrictions were in full force worldwide, numbers started to rise. ESO saw it's highest peak players ever in April 2020 (see below). ZoS/Bethesda even stated they had major issues due to a huge influx at that time. ZoS themselves also mentioned seeing a large increase in players during April. Numbers are actually going back down to where they were prior to this now that social restrictions are in phased release. While I cannot state the console/launcher only players, we can certainly see the history for Steam users confirming this.

Steam 24H Average

• Pre March: ~15,000+ daily players
• March: ~14,000+ daily players
• April: ~28,000+ daily players (49,061 All time peak EVER in ESO)
• May: ~23,000+

I understand Steam is not the only source of players, so those numbers are surely higher. Peak players are higher than normal (that's great), but the averages are seeing a trend back down. I would think by that logic console/launcher only players are showing somewhat similar trends, it only makes sense.

https://steamcharts.com/app/306130

I want ESO to succeed and be THE #1 MMO in the World, but even after 6 years it's just not there yet. It's a fun game, a lot of great people and community but it has a lot of shortcomings. I really believe if ZoS improved on the weak areas of the game it would solidify it a lot better and make a larger percentage of the player base happier.

Sure, people enjoy this game (myself included) and there is hype for the new chapter as always, but not to almost 2-3x the amount of normal players of every other chapter released for ESO.

Just my 2¢

Steam gives only half portion of the player base currently involved in the game. The rest is from their official launcher that determines players activity. So, the data you provided is in-accurate to how many have left this game.

Jayroo wrote: »

I love how people are judging the DLC based on BASE GAME CONTENT CHANGES. Even if eso loses a playerbase it is YEARS away from being shut down. I've played games that were literal ghost towns for years until they finally shut down. people just like to exaggerate to make their opinions more valid

god eso forums is just a bunch of butthurts threatening to quit like a karen threatening they're not shopping at Walmart anymore

The problem is that ZOS treats its veteran players like dirt. They couldn't care less that we've invested thousands of dollars/hours into this game. Everything they do is designed to attract new players to the game. This is the sign of an MMO looking to cash out. Greymoor will easily double the game's population for a few months, and that's what ZOS is banking on. But they are doing nothing to drive retention. In fact, they are doing everything possible to drive away long term players.

It's so disappointing that I'm really glad to farm Maelstorm and Dragonstar arenas again because of this event, especially vMA, because it's most fun for solo player