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Given it seems both Vampires and Wws are receiving an update are you more willing to buy Greymoor?

  • bearbelly
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    It was shown in a video, Though I don't think the person noticed the actual changes so you have to pause the video to see it and keep pausing it.

    Thanks for posting this info! Of course, it was from one of the videos I hadn't seen.
    How many people got in on this preview thing, anyway? (I do realize they were all content providers.)

    Edited by bearbelly on March 31, 2020 12:09PM
  • Thevampirenight
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    I already Bought the Chapter and not refunding it. (Unless I bought the wrong version)
    bearbelly wrote: »
    It was shown in a video, Though I don't think the person noticed the actual changes so you have to pause the video to see it and keep pausing it.

    Thanks for posting this info! Of course, it was from one of the videos I hadn't seen.
    How many people got in on this preview thing, anyway? (I do realize they were all content providers.)


    Now we know for sure we are going to see Werewolf love and that is good for Greymoor sales as Werewolves not just Vampires were a bit part of one of the main guild storylines In Skyrim and got upgraded with the Dawnguard dlc so I think players wanted to have that experience its just Zenimax should have revealed they were revamping them too.
    Now we know and that I think will satisfy some players that were worried Werewolves were going to be left in the Dust.
    PC NA
    Please add Fangs to Vampires.
  • Kalik_Gold
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    PS4 and still can’t purchase it. I was going to buy it for other reasons than what you listed.

    Can’t buy chapters with in game Gold at release.
    Main: (PvP & PvE)
    Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige

    PvP:
    Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
    Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
    Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
    Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
    Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer

    PvP: (Specialty)
    Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
    Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade (Bomber)
    Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
    Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
    Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer

    PvE:
    Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight (Tank)
    Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight (Damage)
    Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar (Healer)
    Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden (One-Bar)
    Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade (Thief)

    Leveling...
    Two-Big-Horns an Argonian Arcanist
    Styx of Akatosh a Goblin* Arcanist
    Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
    Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
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    Passives of another race used. (RP)
    *Breton
    **Imperial




    __________________________Backstories:_________________________

    Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.

    Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.

    Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...

    Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.

    Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.

    The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.

    Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.

    After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.

    After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...

    Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.

    Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.

    {time moves forward through the hour-glass}
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  • bearbelly
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    bearbelly wrote: »
    It was shown in a video, Though I don't think the person noticed the actual changes so you have to pause the video to see it and keep pausing it.

    Thanks for posting this info! Of course, it was from one of the videos I hadn't seen.
    How many people got in on this preview thing, anyway? (I do realize they were all content providers.)


    Now we know for sure we are going to see Werewolf love and that is good for Greymoor sales as Werewolves not just Vampires were a bit part of one of the main guild storylines In Skyrim and got upgraded with the Dawnguard dlc so I think players wanted to have that experience its just Zenimax should have revealed they were revamping them too.
    Now we know and that I think will satisfy some players that were worried Werewolves were going to be left in the Dust.

    I mean, I am kinda glad that we know, BUT, I would have been fine if I hadn't found out until the chapter dropped; it would have been a pleasant surprise, since most of my characters are werewolves.
    I'm just glad they made adjustments in a positive direction. (And here's to hoping they don't hit WW with a nerf-bat again, afterwards. But I won't hold my breath, just in case.)
  • Aznarb
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    GerStyler wrote: »
    I buy nothing until Performance is fixed !!!

    ^this^
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  • idk
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    Other.
    Considering both skill lines are part of the base game it is irrelevant to my decision to by Greymore or not. So I chose other.
  • Kadoin
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    No because of other reasons.
    Performance, "balancing", mat scarcity to the point you spend so much time farming mats, and lastly inventory management.
  • rpa
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    No because of other reasons.
    1. Performance fixes are not yet successfully done.
    2. I had impression Vampire changes were for base game anyway. Assuming WW changes (if any) would be same.
    3. I try the changes before opening my wallet.
    4. If everything goes as I expect (that is badly) I'll likely buy Greymoor ™ Digital Upgrade for €8.99 after a year.
  • OWLTHEMAD
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    oh HECK no lmao. The game is BROKEN and i don't think ZOS cares to fix it AT ALL.
    I already pre-ordered Greymoor AND I already got a refund lol. What else ya wanna know lol

    Playing devils advocate here. But all the changes weve been having that are turning the game on its head are part of a long drawn out attempt at fixing the game.

    Just wish theyd go about it more cleanly and take ideas from some of their contemporaries though
  • Kr3do
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    At this point we get less content with Chapters than we used to get with normal DLC's.
  • Universe
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    No because of other reasons.
    If the machine is broken why should I buy more broken machines from the same inefficient factory ?
    If ZOS will fix the performance and many other issues I might consider spending more money on this game.
    Edited by Universe on April 1, 2020 11:51AM
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  • MerguezMan
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    idk wrote: »
    Considering both skill lines are part of the base game it is irrelevant to my decision to by Greymore or not. So I chose other.

    Basically this.

    Vampires and Werewolves are part of base game.

    Updating those skill lines shouldn't have any impact on your decision to buy Greymoore or not.
  • Kel
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    No because of other reasons.
    heaven13 wrote: »
    I hope everyone who plans on buying this chapter just for vampire/werewolf realizes it comes with the patch update, not the chapter itself.
    Kr3do wrote: »
    At this point we get less content with Chapters than we used to get with normal DLC's.

    ^This

    If the Blackreach we are seeing in the prequest is in fact the actual size, it's very small. I understand part is locked off, but it's still very small in size. Plus the new artifacts system looks straight up like a mobile game, with the one piece mythic items looking rather lame in function.
    Very very disappointed.

    As to the topic question, my answer is no.
    A base game feature that will be available to everyone for free has no determining factor in me buying anything.
  • TheFM
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    No the Vampire changes make me not want to buy it.
    Since the cat is pretty much out of the bag Werewolf is getting an update by the looks of it and the same video shows off possible unadjusted vampirism numbers inadvertently reveals this. Does this make it so you are more likely to buy the chapter?
    So Both Vampires and Werewolves are both getting huge love this chapter.
    They just didn't bother telling us about the Werewolf Overhaul. :s When they should have.
    So the poll has several options including an other option and one if you have greymoor the text is extra flavor because I had to refund it because I bought the wrong version and it cost me more money when I could have gotten the cheaper upgrade but soon after got the cheaper ditital collecters edition upgrade so I just re bought it after the refund and used the rest from the refund on crowns or subcription. So that is why that text is there because of myself and that is the poll option I'm choosing.

    They are punishing ranged magicka classes extremely heavily with the way vampire is now developed. Never in the history of tes have vampires had lower regen abd higher cost to abilities simply for being a vampires those are things that were coupled with rock joint or brain diseases, not this. Couple that with the ridiculous changes to light attacks, the low quality of the prologue and the unacceptable performance, and I see no reason to buy it or spend any more money on this game.
  • Solace1981
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    No because of other reasons.
    Can't believe people are willing to pay for an expansion for this game given it's current state. Performance is absolute garbage and has only gotten worse and aside from that new bugs are introduced every patch big or small. There's some dungeons that can't even be completed right now and group finder has been broken since launch. I guess if you're into RP, decorating, and doing quests the game is ok. To each their own I guess.
  • Ohtimbar
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    No because of other reasons.
    It simply doesn’t interest me. I might buy it eventually but it’s the first chapter I have declined to preorder.
    forever stuck in combat
  • Maxdevil
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    No because of other reasons.
    I just bought elsweir for 10$ to have the necromancer class for my ww because I don’t really care about greeymoor and it’s like 50$
    "Maxdevil knows much, and tells some. Maxdevil knows many things others do not."
    Pc-Na
  • Hotel6
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    It's base game adjustment,how is that related to buying the new chapter?
  • generalmyrick
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    Other.
    vvardenfell was awesome because of the exotic new region and new class! that was cool!
    summerset was cool because of again, the psijic order and skill line felt different and new and cool. new mechanics and such. new alchemy ingredients, new this, new that.
    Else was cool because of necromancer, but i fought so many dragons in skyrim, its like eh. and, tbh, it was more worthwhile t fight a dragon in skyrim becuase i got much needed ingredients to make cool armor. at this time the new alchemy ingredients is played out. I don't wanna farm for that.

    this offers a zone i've already been to (probably in more detail) and upgrades to skill lines and stuff i don't use?

    cmon, zos!

    how about a new class to go along with it? some thing fresh!
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  • Obvaricator
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    No the Vampire changes make me not want to buy it.
    Vampirism might be a huge appeal for new players but for anything outside world pve, it is more an impediment.
    In groups, it will be a disadvantage and we can expect vampires to be eventually fired as soon as they will be recognized.

    I could be wrong but 20% more cost on no-vampire skills is a huge penalty (among other hindrances for almost no benefit).
  • Thevampirenight
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    I already Bought the Chapter and not refunding it. (Unless I bought the wrong version)
    Vampirism might be a huge appeal for new players but for anything outside world pve, it is more an impediment.
    In groups, it will be a disadvantage and we can expect vampires to be eventually fired as soon as they will be recognized.

    I could be wrong but 20% more cost on no-vampire skills is a huge penalty (among other hindrances for almost no benefit).

    Its 12% at stage four now on pts, they reduced the values of that weakness. So its 3/5/8/12 instead of 5/10/15/20.
    So its not as bad as before. Thank goodness for that.
    PC NA
    Please add Fangs to Vampires.
  • ShawnLaRock
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    No. Not ‘more” willing. Just the regular amount.

    S.
  • Indoril_Nerevar
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    Latest changes are downgrading my excitement and expectations for the Vampire.

    [Snip]

    [Edited for inappropriate content]

    Edited by ZOS_Volpe on May 15, 2020 7:50PM
  • nk125x
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    No because of other reasons.
    New vamp and WW changes come with the base game. Only thing new and shiny in the annoyingly boring antiquities system.


    Was tempted to drink meths half way between the 2nd and 3rd level to put me out of my misery.
  • Itzmichi
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    Just canceled my collector's Edition the other day. The performance doesn't justify spending money on the game to be honest.
    Here, have a chill pill 💊!
  • Myyth
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    No the Vampire changes make me not want to buy it.
    I am currently playing my character that has been a Vampire for years every day before I am forced to cure them. As someone said in a previous forum post, only ZoS can make a Vampire expansion that makes you want to cure your Vampire.
  • Rake
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    No because of other reasons.
    I am not satisfied with how game performs.
    If it becomes better I will consider buying chapter.
  • rumple9
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    No because of other reasons.
    Not spending another penny on this game until performance is fixed
  • Sylvermynx
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    No because of other reasons.
    No interest at all in the chapter - don't play vamp or ww, not interested in antiquities or skyrim. I'll mess with it when it's free - maybe. Or maybe not at all, except to pick up skyshards.
    Edited by Sylvermynx on May 15, 2020 9:41PM
  • redgreensunset
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    No because of other reasons.
    The werewolf and vampire changes are part of the base game, you'll get them whether you buy Greymoor or not. So why in the world would the changes prompt you to buy the chapter even if you liked them?
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