That's what happens when you delete Reflective Plate. Back then the majority was laughing. Did not gave a chance for magDKs to incure added fatique cost per cast to combat the so called "ranged shut down".

StamDKs were only viable with SnB/2h BS 7th Fury, never slotting Reflective Plate.

That's what happens when you are not promoting healthy dialogue.
Enjoy the state of a washed up class now.

As for stamCro... it is the new stamDen. Nothing new.

rpa wrote: »

Is this a nerf NB or nerf Sorc thread?

Hopefully sorcerers. They annoy me more

Draevik wrote: »

So all these magblades I see dominating BGs is just my imagination??? Weird I am not in the lowest of the low. You guys must not fight any good ones.

Magblades and Magsorcs are most usually tops on PS4 BGs. 2nd runner ups are DKs and Stamcros.

Well nbs are being hard to counter mostly for low mmr player so it is probably not your imagination, just low mmr.
They have the weakest healing that requires 3 skill slots to be reliable. Not burst but at least reliable. Imagine if stamcro needed to slot vigor in 3 skill slots to have nice HoT.
Their burst is clunky and can be shut down pretty easy. Mag spammable have the travel time of 450ms (so like frags I think).
Ult have cast time. Bow have travel time which makes it impossible to land on good players after fear as they have time to break free and roll.
Their main defence is shade and cloak. Shade can be pretty powerful if player right (and it is done by less then 5% blades population). Cloak is easily counterable. If you play stamsorc, you have basically great anti cloak tool in your toolkit as hurricane will pull out every Nb around you from stealth. Tell me how to counter main class defence that easily on templar, warden or necro.
Their aoe is nonexistent.
Their skills are do lackluster because of doing only one thing, it is impossible to use full advantage of the class (part of this is healing that requires 3 skill slots).
And about being top in bgs. I don't know what you consider "top" but on leaderboards you will see a lot of mediocre players as the more you play, the highier you are. Players with high mmr need to wait longer for match then players with low mmr.
Regards,
Blade main since 2016

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

A recent history of nerfs doesn't indicate that a class is weak. It indicates that the class used to be overpowered.

Lol, so for instance... You think Fear (a class skill) should be worse than Turn Evil (a skill accessible to anyone)?

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

A recent history of nerfs doesn't indicate that a class is weak. It indicates that the class used to be overpowered.

I think it indicates that some players can't cope or are simply unwilling to deal with nightblades. Nightblades are aggravating, regardless of strength. That's a factor that has IMO contributed to them being nerfed. @Draevik writes:

"then [they] toy with you and be a nuisance until you are engaged or low health. It is honestly extremely annoying."

Yep. That about sums it up. These days many nightblades can't kill you, they just annoy you for so long that you eventually let your guard down . As game plans go, I wouldn't call that OP. In fact, it is a losing strategy for death-match BGs, because of the amount of wasted time.

Nightblades seek to control the fight. They seek to engage and disengage on their timetable, not yours, and avoid your burst. That is their defense. The frustration you feel comes from having to adapt to that. It requires patience when you don't see the nightblade. When it disappears, immediately use the time for preparation, e.g. keep your buffs up and, if at full stamina, just stand there and block. Any and all detection methods outside of maybe the Sentry set and Streak should only be used while you can still see the nightblade, otherwise they are not effective. Don't use detection methods to find nightblades. Use them when they are already visible to prevent them from hiding, preferably potions. You will find that most nightblades wither away when you go after them at that point. If they still disappear, turn 180 degrees, as they have probably shaded behind you.

You complain about nightblades "being a nuisance" when you are engaged or at low health. Yes. They are opportunists. However the only thing that's unique about that is the gank: the very first time they show themselves. Once you know they are around, it's ultimately just one more thing to be on your guard about, just as you have to be on your guard about that DK, who is fighting your buddy 10m away and who may opportunistically leap you and kill you.

I'll give special mention to snipers. I am as annoyed as anyone when being shot at or killed by one of those in an otherwise balanced fight. On the other hand, the most powerful and currently popular variation of that involves the Titanborn set and the sniper debuffing their own health with Equilibrium before the gank. This makes them ridiculously easy to kill, if you can spot them. Despite the range advantage, it's a risky play for the nightblade.

Many patches ago stamblades were strong. I don't think there was ever a patch where magblades were regarded as being on the same level. Whenever someone called them strong, it was usually qualified with "has a steep learning curve" and "requires patience [e.g. to build Merciless and make it work]".