Excellent news for (Steam) players unhappy with ZOS not retroactively upgrading vMA and vDSA weapons
krachall
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I had pre-ordered Greymoore before the announcement of ZOS's absurd decision to not retroactively upgrade vMA and vDSA weapons. Not only is this virtually unprecedented in the history of MMOs (at least in my 23 year history of playing ~11 MMOs) it's a slap in the face to veteran players who have already spent hours and hours grinding that content.
I thought I was stuck with a $40 expansion I'd never play but I was pleasantly surprised when Steam refunded my payment!
Here's how to do it:
Open Steam and click the down arrow next to your name on the upper right side of the window.
Select "account details"
Select "View purchase history" in the Store and Purchase History section.
Find your purchase of Greymoore and click it.
Select "I would like a refund"
NOTE: Steam will say they don't refund purchases over 30 days but it will still let you request one. I selected "other" as the reason and wrote in "Developer made changes to the game I disagree with after my purchase of the DLC. The DLC has not been released yet so I have not played it."
It took less than 12 hours to get my refund!
I thought I was stuck with a $40 expansion I'd never play but I was pleasantly surprised when Steam refunded my payment!
Here's how to do it:
Open Steam and click the down arrow next to your name on the upper right side of the window.
Select "account details"
Select "View purchase history" in the Store and Purchase History section.
Find your purchase of Greymoore and click it.
Select "I would like a refund"
NOTE: Steam will say they don't refund purchases over 30 days but it will still let you request one. I selected "other" as the reason and wrote in "Developer made changes to the game I disagree with after my purchase of the DLC. The DLC has not been released yet so I have not played it."
It took less than 12 hours to get my refund!
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Hixtory✭✭✭✭Great info, this game is pretty much dead for most vet players with the changes coming. I have played 5 years non stop, I have a high number of cp that prove it, and in all this years this game hasnt been that awful to play, bugged instances, group finder, Cyro lag, BG bugs, animations, sets, and now this stupid decision regarding VMA and DSA, and ASYLUM.
*** that, I already cancelled eso+ but continued playing even with the stupid stress that inventory management adds without eso+, but theres no reason to stay anymore, even friend list is completely empty this days11 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭There is still a chance that ZOS will change their minds and upgrade the weapons.
They reversed their decision regarding Light & Heavy attack changes.
Maybe it will happen again.Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
User_ID: Daedric_Prince1 -
rumple9✭✭✭✭✭
✭so you got your greymoor expac refunded because you won't have penetration on a vma staff you probably wouldnt have used anyway?10 -
thissocalledflower✭✭✭✭so you got your greymoor expac refunded because you won't have penetration on a vma staff you probably wouldnt have used anyway?
How do you know what someone would have used or not?After careful consideration (and oh! so much deliberation) we have concluded that you circumstance sounds too much like a l2p issue for it to be just a mere coincidence.7 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭They'll be an option in the cash shop for you to upgrade your weapons.
If they want this game to be forever tagged pure P2W, then yes
Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
User_ID: Daedric_Prince1 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I cancelled my Greymoor preorder and got a refund through the ESO official site. Also dropped ESO plus.
TBH I’m not even annoyed by the lack of vMA and vDSA upgrades, I saw that one coming a long time ago. For me it’s a combination of:
- Game performance, on live and PTS (ping spikes, desyncs, skills failing, crashes)
- Lack of communication
- Terrible trial sets, no incentive to run Kyne’s Aegis
- Broken mechanics and lack of telegraphs in vKA (what’s the point of the custom colors setting when most of the mechanics don’t use them)
For the arena weapons, I’d gladly earn a few upgrades by repeating old content, but the changes have made most of them trash now anyway. Spell Pen on Perf vMA Destro is just stupid. Master Destro change removed its niche use. BRP Destro has always been trash because of the DoT refreshing without ticking. And Perf Asylum Destro is now as bad as the non-Perf has always been. Anyone else noticing a pattern of which weapons are bad?14 -
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✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »I cancelled my Greymoor preorder and got a refund through the ESO official site. Also dropped ESO plus.
TBH I’m not even annoyed by the lack of vMA and vDSA upgrades, I saw that one coming a long time ago. For me it’s a combination of:
- Game performance, on live and PTS (ping spikes, desyncs, skills failing, crashes)
- Lack of communication
- Terrible trial sets, no incentive to run Kyne’s Aegis
- Broken mechanics and lack of telegraphs in vKA (what’s the point of the custom colors setting when most of the mechanics don’t use them)
For the arena weapons, I’d gladly earn a few upgrades by repeating old content, but the changes have made most of them trash now anyway. Spell Pen on Perf vMA Destro is just stupid. Master Destro change removed its niche use. BRP Destro has always been trash because of the DoT refreshing without ticking. And Perf Asylum Destro is now as bad as the non-Perf has always been. Anyone else noticing a pattern of which weapons are bad?
I've done the same as of yesterday actually. Greymoor changes are nothing but disappointing and trial performance is awful. There is no incentive to play any more. There is no carrot to reach, and no fun to be had.
Time to move on.4 -
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✭✭Thanks for the tip OP.
Sent refund request.
Because the weapons will not receive an upgrade or is it something else ?Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
User_ID: Daedric_Prince0 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »GL after this post. I can see many not being able to do this lol
You must be the Oracle of Delphi
Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
User_ID: Daedric_Prince0 -
Moose_Scout✭✭✭Thanks! Very helpful. The terrible PVP balance (especially constantly nerfing NBs) and the slap-in-the-fact decision on arena weapons was the nail in the coffin for me. I joined in January 2015. It has been a fun 5+ years but I am going to cancel ESO+ this month... sad day, but at least we can get our money back.
I think that $$$ is the only thing ZOS cares about but let's see how they fare when all veteran guilds and players are gone."What a Grand and Intoxicating Innocence"2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I had pre-ordered Greymoore before the announcement of ZOS's absurd decision to not retroactively upgrade vMA and vDSA weapons. Not only is this virtually unprecedented in the history of MMOs (at least in my 23 year history of playing ~11 MMOs) it's a slap in the face to veteran players who have already spent hours and hours grinding that content.
What MMORPGs?
Heck, the MMORPGs that I have played, when they add something new like this perfected vMA weapon I have always had to farm it. Heck, many MMORPGs make you reform all your gear once every year or two.
Glad you got a refund if you are no longer interested in it. As I have said before, only serious raiders need to buy Greymoor from the start. The rest can wait for it to become a DLC.Edited by idk on May 11, 2020 10:50PM0 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I had pre-ordered Greymoore before the announcement of ZOS's absurd decision to not retroactively upgrade vMA and vDSA weapons. Not only is this virtually unprecedented in the history of MMOs (at least in my 23 year history of playing ~11 MMOs) it's a slap in the face to veteran players who have already spent hours and hours grinding that content.
What MMORPGs?
Heck, the MMORPGs that I have played, when they add something new like this perfected vMA weapon I have always had to farm it. Heck, many MMORPGs make you reform all your gear once every year or two.
Yep. Anyone who played WoW (spent 2006-2013 there myself) knows how that works. Add 5 levels to cap, head out immediately to farm gear....0 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I had pre-ordered Greymoore before the announcement of ZOS's absurd decision to not retroactively upgrade vMA and vDSA weapons. Not only is this virtually unprecedented in the history of MMOs (at least in my 23 year history of playing ~11 MMOs) it's a slap in the face to veteran players who have already spent hours and hours grinding that content.
What MMORPGs?
Heck, the MMORPGs that I have played, when they add something new like this perfected vMA weapon I have always had to farm it. Heck, many MMORPGs make you reform all your gear once every year or two.
Glad you got a refund if you are no longer interested in it. As I have said before, only serious raiders need to buy Greymoor from the start. The rest can wait for it to become a DLC.
The ESO player base got used to the convenience that re-farming everything or important items like the old weapons isn't required.
Now it is basically adds this option when the weapons will not be upgraded.
I won't be entirely surprised if the new system which will replace the champion system will require farming, like new max level 83(example).Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
User_ID: Daedric_Prince1 -
daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I had pre-ordered Greymoore before the announcement of ZOS's absurd decision to not retroactively upgrade vMA and vDSA weapons. Not only is this virtually unprecedented in the history of MMOs (at least in my 23 year history of playing ~11 MMOs) it's a slap in the face to veteran players who have already spent hours and hours grinding that content.
What MMORPGs?
Heck, the MMORPGs that I have played, when they add something new like this perfected vMA weapon I have always had to farm it. Heck, many MMORPGs make you reform all your gear once every year or two.
Glad you got a refund if you are no longer interested in it. As I have said before, only serious raiders need to buy Greymoor from the start. The rest can wait for it to become a DLC.
The ESO player base got used to the convenience that re-farming everything or important items like the old weapons isn't required.
Now it is basically adds this option when the weapons will not be upgraded.
I won't be entirely surprised if the new system which will replace the champion system will require farming, like new max level 83(example).
That is not it at all, and it's disingenuous and/or dishonest to pretend it is about that. The fact is that they're introducing pseudo-new gear (pseudo because VMA/VDSA weapons already used to have additional bonuses that were taken away) to old content. Most complaints have hung on the fact that ZOS expect players to re-do something they've already done. That is certainly not my experience in any other MMO. New items come with new content, not as carrots on a stick to keep running 5-year-old content.
Add to that the fact that they are putting the same weapons that used to take a vet run to get on normal, and I think players taking offence is plenty justified. I have zero issues with normal runs dropping some sort of better rewards. But does it have to devalue the effort I put in to do vet runs? Granting current maelstrom/master weapons the perfected bonus would preserve their value in this sense, and I personally would have zero complaints about people still being able to get normal versions in normal runs.6 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I had pre-ordered Greymoore before the announcement of ZOS's absurd decision to not retroactively upgrade vMA and vDSA weapons. Not only is this virtually unprecedented in the history of MMOs (at least in my 23 year history of playing ~11 MMOs) it's a slap in the face to veteran players who have already spent hours and hours grinding that content.
What MMORPGs?
Heck, the MMORPGs that I have played, when they add something new like this perfected vMA weapon I have always had to farm it. Heck, many MMORPGs make you reform all your gear once every year or two.
Glad you got a refund if you are no longer interested in it. As I have said before, only serious raiders need to buy Greymoor from the start. The rest can wait for it to become a DLC.
The ESO player base got used to the convenience that re-farming everything or important items like the old weapons isn't required.
Now it is basically adds this option when the weapons will not be upgraded.
I won't be entirely surprised if the new system which will replace the champion system will require farming, like new max level 83(example).
Part of what makes ESO not like other MMORPGs is the combat, and the gear system, the 'unwritten' promise of horizontal progression you might say. Using the fact that other MMOs do x as an argument for why people who play ESO should stfu about ZOS doing things that it doesn't normally do and hasn't done in the last 6 years ever, or that breach the understanding of that 'unwritten' promise is a totally moot argument in this context. Especially when it misses the point of contention to begin with which is the setting of an entirely new precedent.
Pretty much this:That is not it at all, and it's disingenuous and/or dishonest to pretend it is about that. The fact is that they're introducing pseudo-new gear (pseudo because VMA/VDSA weapons already used to have additional bonuses that were taken away) to old content. Most complaints have hung on the fact that ZOS expect players to re-do something they've already done. That is certainly not my experience in any other MMO. New items come with new content, not as carrots on a stick to keep running 5-year-old content.
Add to that the fact that they are putting the same weapons that used to take a vet run to get on normal, and I think players taking offence is plenty justified. I have zero issues with normal runs dropping some sort of better rewards. But does it have to devalue the effort I put in to do vet runs? Granting current maelstrom/master weapons the perfected bonus would preserve their value in this sense, and I personally would have zero complaints about people still being able to get normal versions in normal runs.Edited by mairwen85 on May 11, 2020 11:14PM0 -
KexinAD✭✭I had pre-ordered Greymoore before the announcement of ZOS's absurd decision to not retroactively upgrade vMA and vDSA weapons. Not only is this virtually unprecedented in the history of MMOs (at least in my 23 year history of playing ~11 MMOs) it's a slap in the face to veteran players who have already spent hours and hours grinding that content.
I thought I was stuck with a $40 expansion I'd never play but I was pleasantly surprised when Steam refunded my payment!
Here's how to do it:
Open Steam and click the down arrow next to your name on the upper right side of the window.
Select "account details"
Select "View purchase history" in the Store and Purchase History section.
Find your purchase of Greymoore and click it.
Select "I would like a refund"
NOTE: Steam will say they don't refund purchases over 30 days but it will still let you request one. I selected "other" as the reason and wrote in "Developer made changes to the game I disagree with after my purchase of the DLC. The DLC has not been released yet so I have not played it."
It took less than 12 hours to get my refund!
Why do you need this excuse to refund? There's a *** ton of issues with this game, and the fact that arena weapons are now being handed out casuals is what pisses you off? LMAO. Waaa I must farm the version that makes 1% difference!1 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@daemonios @mairwen85
Don't get me wrong, I'm not encouraging them to do this change, it is a bad one.
I stated a point that ESO is kind of free of too many mandatory & tedious farms which are more prominent in other MMOs.Edited by Universe on May 11, 2020 11:16PMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
User_ID: Daedric_Prince0 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I had pre-ordered Greymoore before the announcement of ZOS's absurd decision to not retroactively upgrade vMA and vDSA weapons. Not only is this virtually unprecedented in the history of MMOs (at least in my 23 year history of playing ~11 MMOs) it's a slap in the face to veteran players who have already spent hours and hours grinding that content.
I thought I was stuck with a $40 expansion I'd never play but I was pleasantly surprised when Steam refunded my payment!
Here's how to do it:
Open Steam and click the down arrow next to your name on the upper right side of the window.
Select "account details"
Select "View purchase history" in the Store and Purchase History section.
Find your purchase of Greymoore and click it.
Select "I would like a refund"
NOTE: Steam will say they don't refund purchases over 30 days but it will still let you request one. I selected "other" as the reason and wrote in "Developer made changes to the game I disagree with after my purchase of the DLC. The DLC has not been released yet so I have not played it."
It took less than 12 hours to get my refund!
Why do you need this excuse to refund? There's a *** ton of issues with this game, and the fact that arena weapons are now being handed out casuals is what pisses you off? LMAO. Waaa I must farm the version that makes 1% difference!
Which isn't the point at all.1 -
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That is one small part of it. But mostly due to just completely losing my last bit of faith in zos being able to get a grip on the performance issues and the fact the way the new vampires are looking I will be forced to cure my main who has been a vampire from the start because of the huge penalty on resources if you don't play the limited vampire skills they are offering.
As someone here on the forums said recently, only ZoS can release a vampire expansion which forces people to want to cure vampirism2 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I had pre-ordered Greymoore before the announcement of ZOS's absurd decision to not retroactively upgrade vMA and vDSA weapons. Not only is this virtually unprecedented in the history of MMOs (at least in my 23 year history of playing ~11 MMOs) it's a slap in the face to veteran players who have already spent hours and hours grinding that content.
I thought I was stuck with a $40 expansion I'd never play but I was pleasantly surprised when Steam refunded my payment!
Here's how to do it:
Open Steam and click the down arrow next to your name on the upper right side of the window.
Select "account details"
Select "View purchase history" in the Store and Purchase History section.
Find your purchase of Greymoore and click it.
Select "I would like a refund"
NOTE: Steam will say they don't refund purchases over 30 days but it will still let you request one. I selected "other" as the reason and wrote in "Developer made changes to the game I disagree with after my purchase of the DLC. The DLC has not been released yet so I have not played it."
It took less than 12 hours to get my refund!
Why do you need this excuse to refund? There's a *** ton of issues with this game, and the fact that arena weapons are now being handed out casuals is what pisses you off? LMAO. Waaa I must farm the version that makes 1% difference!
Which isn't the point at all.
Maybe, maybe not. But that's what the optics look like. ZOS makes a change that adds very slightly upgraded rewards to some existing content and you start demanding refunds because they're not just handing these rewards to you? You've got a serious uphill battle in trying to make that not look like pure childish selfishness."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."1 -
daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I had pre-ordered Greymoore before the announcement of ZOS's absurd decision to not retroactively upgrade vMA and vDSA weapons. Not only is this virtually unprecedented in the history of MMOs (at least in my 23 year history of playing ~11 MMOs) it's a slap in the face to veteran players who have already spent hours and hours grinding that content.
I thought I was stuck with a $40 expansion I'd never play but I was pleasantly surprised when Steam refunded my payment!
Here's how to do it:
Open Steam and click the down arrow next to your name on the upper right side of the window.
Select "account details"
Select "View purchase history" in the Store and Purchase History section.
Find your purchase of Greymoore and click it.
Select "I would like a refund"
NOTE: Steam will say they don't refund purchases over 30 days but it will still let you request one. I selected "other" as the reason and wrote in "Developer made changes to the game I disagree with after my purchase of the DLC. The DLC has not been released yet so I have not played it."
It took less than 12 hours to get my refund!
Why do you need this excuse to refund? There's a *** ton of issues with this game, and the fact that arena weapons are now being handed out casuals is what pisses you off? LMAO. Waaa I must farm the version that makes 1% difference!
Which isn't the point at all.
Maybe, maybe not. But that's what the optics look like. ZOS makes a change that adds very slightly upgraded rewards to some existing content and you start demanding refunds because they're not just handing these rewards to you? You've got a serious uphill battle in trying to make that not look like pure childish selfishness.
You know what's childish? Misconstruing arguments that have been made ad nauseam when you could argue the points people are actually making.1 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I had pre-ordered Greymoore before the announcement of ZOS's absurd decision to not retroactively upgrade vMA and vDSA weapons. Not only is this virtually unprecedented in the history of MMOs (at least in my 23 year history of playing ~11 MMOs) it's a slap in the face to veteran players who have already spent hours and hours grinding that content.
I thought I was stuck with a $40 expansion I'd never play but I was pleasantly surprised when Steam refunded my payment!
Here's how to do it:
Open Steam and click the down arrow next to your name on the upper right side of the window.
Select "account details"
Select "View purchase history" in the Store and Purchase History section.
Find your purchase of Greymoore and click it.
Select "I would like a refund"
NOTE: Steam will say they don't refund purchases over 30 days but it will still let you request one. I selected "other" as the reason and wrote in "Developer made changes to the game I disagree with after my purchase of the DLC. The DLC has not been released yet so I have not played it."
It took less than 12 hours to get my refund!
Why do you need this excuse to refund? There's a *** ton of issues with this game, and the fact that arena weapons are now being handed out casuals is what pisses you off? LMAO. Waaa I must farm the version that makes 1% difference!
Which isn't the point at all.
Maybe, maybe not. But that's what the optics look like. ZOS makes a change that adds very slightly upgraded rewards to some existing content and you start demanding refunds because they're not just handing these rewards to you? You've got a serious uphill battle in trying to make that not look like pure childish selfishness.
I'm guessing you haven't read any of the other however many threads out there on this topic where the optics you're referring to are handled in full depth and breadth.
I'm also wondering in which capacity you're affected by this change. I'd posit it isn't selfish to say that ZOS are making a good decision by adding non perfected rewards to older arena, but are making a bad decision in telling players who have already earned them many times over that their time and effort doesn't count, and their rewards aren't really veteran rewards at all.
So add to that the inflated price tag (40% increase over previous chapters), *** performance, and bugs so deeply embedded you need archeologists to fix them, I don't think its a selfish stance to say that you want a refund at all.Edited by mairwen85 on May 11, 2020 11:38PM1 -
khajiitNPC✭✭✭✭✭the only reason I’m getting my refund and cancelling my sub is PvP performance. That’s it. I could care less about having to farm VDSA or VMA, I’ve done it enough that it’s a breeze, sure it’ll take me a while because RNG, but oh well — idc, that is a childish little baby complaint. Boo hoo baby needs a bottle. But what Zo$ needs to get their stuff together. I have two accounts for 5 years, spent plenty, both accounts ESO+.0
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Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭I had pre-ordered Greymoore before the announcement of ZOS's absurd decision to not retroactively upgrade vMA and vDSA weapons. Not only is this virtually unprecedented in the history of MMOs (at least in my 23 year history of playing ~11 MMOs) it's a slap in the face to veteran players who have already spent hours and hours grinding that content.
What MMORPGs?
Heck, the MMORPGs that I have played, when they add something new like this perfected vMA weapon I have always had to farm it. Heck, many MMORPGs make you reform all your gear once every year or two.
Glad you got a refund if you are no longer interested in it. As I have said before, only serious raiders need to buy Greymoor from the start. The rest can wait for it to become a DLC.
The ESO player base got used to the convenience that re-farming everything or important items like the old weapons isn't required.
Now it is basically adds this option when the weapons will not be upgraded.
I won't be entirely surprised if the new system which will replace the champion system will require farming, like new max level 83(example).
That is not it at all, and it's disingenuous and/or dishonest to pretend it is about that. The fact is that they're introducing pseudo-new gear (pseudo because VMA/VDSA weapons already used to have additional bonuses that were taken away) to old content. Most complaints have hung on the fact that ZOS expect players to re-do something they've already done. That is certainly not my experience in any other MMO. New items come with new content, not as carrots on a stick to keep running 5-year-old content.
Add to that the fact that they are putting the same weapons that used to take a vet run to get on normal, and I think players taking offence is plenty justified. I have zero issues with normal runs dropping some sort of better rewards. But does it have to devalue the effort I put in to do vet runs? Granting current maelstrom/master weapons the perfected bonus would preserve their value in this sense, and I personally would have zero complaints about people still being able to get normal versions in normal runs.
WoW and any game that raises a level cap does that so it's fairly common to do.0 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Rave the Histborn wrote: »I had pre-ordered Greymoore before the announcement of ZOS's absurd decision to not retroactively upgrade vMA and vDSA weapons. Not only is this virtually unprecedented in the history of MMOs (at least in my 23 year history of playing ~11 MMOs) it's a slap in the face to veteran players who have already spent hours and hours grinding that content.
What MMORPGs?
Heck, the MMORPGs that I have played, when they add something new like this perfected vMA weapon I have always had to farm it. Heck, many MMORPGs make you reform all your gear once every year or two.
Glad you got a refund if you are no longer interested in it. As I have said before, only serious raiders need to buy Greymoor from the start. The rest can wait for it to become a DLC.
The ESO player base got used to the convenience that re-farming everything or important items like the old weapons isn't required.
Now it is basically adds this option when the weapons will not be upgraded.
I won't be entirely surprised if the new system which will replace the champion system will require farming, like new max level 83(example).
That is not it at all, and it's disingenuous and/or dishonest to pretend it is about that. The fact is that they're introducing pseudo-new gear (pseudo because VMA/VDSA weapons already used to have additional bonuses that were taken away) to old content. Most complaints have hung on the fact that ZOS expect players to re-do something they've already done. That is certainly not my experience in any other MMO. New items come with new content, not as carrots on a stick to keep running 5-year-old content.
Add to that the fact that they are putting the same weapons that used to take a vet run to get on normal, and I think players taking offence is plenty justified. I have zero issues with normal runs dropping some sort of better rewards. But does it have to devalue the effort I put in to do vet runs? Granting current maelstrom/master weapons the perfected bonus would preserve their value in this sense, and I personally would have zero complaints about people still being able to get normal versions in normal runs.
WoW and any game that raises a level cap does that so it's fairly common to do.
This has never been the case in ESO. See previous comments, get up to speed. Don't worry, we'll wait.
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[like with that pug dps who loads into the dungeon late, and yet somehow has to eat, sell, and port out to get the pledge]Edited by mairwen85 on May 11, 2020 11:51PM0
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