Wolf crests removed from supposedly Indoril Ancestral Tombs on Vvardenfell.

Demnvath · April 2020

I recently made a tour of Vvardenfell and visited all the Ancestral Tombs (not only those required for I don't remember which quest) and was pleased to see all of them were in the game (except those which are not accessible in the Ashlands). I noted something strange.

There were, few years ago, four Ancestral Tombs bearing a wolf: Ienith, Raviro, Salothran and Verelnim.
Those tombs do not wear the Indoril crest anymore (or what have been the Indoril crest before someone realised the wolf is the crest of Helseth Hlaalu, and not the House Indoril)
Those Ancestral Tombs are now free of any crest.

Houses Ienith, Raviro, Salothran and Verelnim were supposed to be affiliated with Great House Indoril, despite the fact that they had the wrong crest. The crest has now been removed, but not replaced.

Does a new crest will be featured one day on those four Ancestral Tombs, or are they now no more considered part of Great House Indoril? Removing those four little, tiny crests make me think it was important at some point for someone, else those details wouldn't have been removed, would they? Should we wait a new crest?

Here are some old screenshots from UESP and four new screenshots from me, showing the vanishing of the wolf of Helseth.

Old:

New:

Demnvath · April 2020

I forgot the Aran Ancestral Tomb. It also wore the wolf crest

Before:

Now:

(also please excuse my english, I saw few grammatical errors, but it appears I can't edit my previous message)

Aigym_Hlervu · April 2020

Demnvath wrote: »

Does a new crest will be featured one day on those four Ancestral Tombs, or are they now no more considered part of Great House Indoril? Removing those four little, tiny crests make me think it was important at some point for someone, else those details wouldn't have been removed, would they? Should we wait a new crest?

A good observing and good question, OP! You are not alone among those who were interested in it

. There should be wings there, but it is up to the devs to answer if that ever gets implemented. Here's the answer to your question. Also I think we have to ask some UESP lorekeepers here for help to update the information on the UESP. @Aliyavana, would you?

"Early in ESO's development, like nine years ago, well before we had any lore-checking processes in place, the wolf got picked for the Indoril banner based on the stylized wolf-head that appeared on Mehra Drora's gorget in TES3. This got promulgated onto some other assets, and it didn't get spotted until ESO: MW was in PTS testing. We're gradually sorting it out, but doing that kind of thing means diverting resources from the next DLC, so corrections don't always happen instantly."
- Loremaster Lawrence Schick.

Demnvath · April 2020

While we are talking about Ancestral tombs, I also spottted two errors.

The Ienith Ancestral Tomb wears the name Ieneth. It's family that exists, but this tomb is Ienith's one, not Ieneth's.

The letter E should be replaced by the letter I.

The Telvayn Ancestral Tomb wears the name Sadryon. Sadryon is another Telvanni family, but their tomb is on Azura's Coast, not in the West Gash.
Telvayn:

Sadryon:

Ajaxandriel · May 2020

That's because there weren't any Indoril crest at the time ESO:Morrowind was released, they used the Wolf Head as placeholder as Cygemai said, then, they designed the actual crest (that we can use since ESO:Homestead)

Nice to learn they finally removed that from the tombs, it was cringe when we did play there earlier X)

newtinmpls · May 2020

I so adore these little lore tidbits.

Thank you!