Advice for magblade PvP against tankier opponents

Crash427 · May 2020

That 9k Cal proc will wipe half of a squishy playr's health bar in no cp, assuming they don't have other mitigation besides resists. Add in a couple thousand HP taken off from the concealed weapon to proc it, and follow up with a soul harvest, or a merciless proc if you can stack it up before going in, and it's close to an instakill on the kind of people who come to the forums to cry for nerfs.

And @fred4 i think you absolutely hit the nail on the head. Stuff like this pushes magblade even more to ganking, which a lot of people hate. I've mained a magblade since Summerset and I'm tired of it. With these kinds of things magblade will continue to be really strong in a couple of niche roles, and garbage for anything else. I think at this point it's safe to say the devs aren't really sure what to do with this class or how to balance it.

I'd guess they've decided to leave it how it is. Better to suffer a few complaints about a bad class then have everyone running around invisible trying to one shot each other.

Alucardo · May 2020

Yeah, Cal is pretty disgusting. I got completely wiped by some magblade wearing Cal and then having Zaan go off while I was stunned.

SpiderCultist · May 2020

Alucardo wrote: »

Yeah, Cal is pretty disgusting. I got completely wiped by some magblade wearing Cal and then having Zaan go off while I was stunned.

that's because you wear low resis maybe? I mean, more often than not I run calu and when I face someone with high resis I'm toasted

calu + zaan makes your extremely vulnerable if your opponent does not bite the dust quickly enough

edit:typo

Noctus · May 2020

Alucardo wrote: »

SpiderCultist wrote: »

whats ur guys playerID ingame we are all from the same server

. mine is @Lord_Noctus

OWLTHEMAD · May 2020

My settup is similar to OPs and has reasonable success in just about any one on one fight, and some outnumbered fights.

Crafty and brighthroat, impen all pieces.

Backbar staff is infused blackrose prison staff with spell damage enchant.

Frontbar crafty with infused disease enchant.

Jewelry is crafty, swift trait all pieces, consider swapping at least one for for bloodthirsty.

Body pieces are all triglyph. Jewelry is a toss up between regen and spell damage. Adjust to your liking.

Mundus is lover or thief. Lover in cp theif in non cp. Dont know why, just works better that way. Bgs is still lover. Steed is also viable. Despite not bringing damage to the table the added movement speed makes a huge difference in controlling the flow of a fight more speciffically in regards to your mobility with cloak.

On the back bar i have debilitate/cripple, concealed weapon, cloak, healing ward and radiating regen, oulti is flex

Frontbar is swallow soul, lotusfan, phantasmal escape, fear, and merciless resolve. Ulti is soulharvest. Not incap. Though consider incap now that stun has returned.

I start an engagement by light attack weaving cripple/debilitate to proc spell damage on backbar, immediately frontbar and weave into lotus fan, fear, and then spam swallow soul and create distance. I apply healing ward and regen routinely through fight and use cloak regularly to frustrate/confuse my opponent. Cripple should be kept up 100% to also keep spell damage up with the light attack weave.

Use soulharvest after fear when available.

Now the trick is to not use merciless resolve except as a finisher. Your opponent should be at 40% health or less. When you do use it, use it instead of soulharvest after fear to ensure it lands. You can no longer chain the two reliably against anyone who knows what they are doing and a potato doesnt need the perfectly executed combo.

If i can get someone one on one i win 80% of the time. The other 20% are either other nightblades or speed sorcs who can disengage easily, or a tankier opponent who stalled long enough. Tankier opponents are more time consuming naturally so if you are dealing with a tankier opponent and it feels like they are stalling;hightail it they have freinds on the way.

The settup struggles against multiple opponents but with one on one engagements its very powerful. You can handle two people if youve got an open space and are crafty and aggressive. But dont try it in tight or cluttered spaces where you can easily be LoS'd.

I hope this helps someone, at least until next chapter.

Edit: forgot, monster set helps but choice is mostly flexible. Balorgh, zaans, valkyn, or any defensive/healing set, will offer similar performace and can be swapped to suit your needs. Zaans offers defensive pressure forcing opponents to back off or go into defensive, which is a good time to aim for a kill, balorgh is good to make burst hit harder, valkyn is solid if you can get used too timing your fear and either bowproc or soulharvest with the meteor. For defensive go with something that offeres really good healing or some added sustain. Like grundwolf. Thurvokun is also really good to help with minor defile (disease damage, not high uptime but it helps) and minor maim. Also keeps people from getting to close.

Ps. Phantasmal escape is flexible. Mostly a necessity due to templars, but you can swap for impale and never use the bow proc keeping up your extra mitigation.

Deathlord92 · May 2020

The nightblade class in general is in a bad spot mate you have to go real try hard.

technohic · May 2020

I built a magblade up. Pretty much what I have been doing while the game in any real capacity is broken. Build felt solid number wise, but I dont know why I'd play it over sorc.

Delayed burst and execute rather than a cooldown eater. Actually; the only other class to not have delayed burst which is the big killer right now is DK, but they have decent DOTs and better spammables/proc with maybe the best ult in the game, even if its because the game bugs out when you block and when it knocks you around and how it slows you on activating

Proc damage comes a lot more quickly om sorc and somehow reliably even though its RNG

Resource management chunk is front loaded rather than having to wait 20 seconds! And it comes with a pseudo burst heal

Streak you dont outright disappear but it has the unblockable, undodgeable CC, again; not a wasted GCD since its attached to multipurpose ability.

The thing NB has is a little more passive defense but you lose most of it if you actually use your burst and sorcs can stack an extra shield or go for huge burst heals with LOS built in. I suppose shadow image and if you actually use mirage for some reason, you get some defense but it doesn't seem worth it

NB also has some damage built in to ambush/lotus but it's a terribly delayed skill and puts you in melee range and the melee spammable damage just really lacks compared to what 9ther melee will have in jabs/sweeps or Dizzy. What sorc has at range is lower as well but it's the delayed damage that gives them the oomph

I also will add cloak (actual invisibility) is too much of a center point. Need it to get the auto crit to get some damage but that's another GCD and they fixed being able to heavy attack into an ability and both have the bonus. Need it to get the off balance and CC of concealed weapon. They gave the option of the other morph adding a much needed burst heal but it scales poorly and you give up more than just invisibility as you give up the focal point of the class.

TLDR: Although the class looks fun with all its tools, it's the high damage but several GCD class that doesnt excel at range nor melee with lack of delayed burst or DOTs.

fred4 · May 2020

Crash427 wrote: »

That 9k Cal proc will wipe half of a squishy playr's health bar in no cp, assuming they don't have other mitigation besides resists. Add in a couple thousand HP taken off from the concealed weapon to proc it, and follow up with a soul harvest, or a merciless proc if you can stack it up before going in, and it's close to an instakill on the kind of people who come to the forums to cry for nerfs.

Alucardo wrote: »

Yeah, Cal is pretty disgusting. I got completely wiped by some magblade wearing Cal and then having Zaan go off while I was stunned.

Since I play a Caluurion setup, I feel I have to defend it a little, because I think it's currently pretty balanced.

The first thing to note is that you have to go in close. The projectile is very slow and visible. The only way you're going to burst consistently with it is from point blank range. Even then it takes 1 second to activate. I typically jump in with Lotus Fan. If I didn't Fear after that, people could just dodge roll or block. I used to just use Lotus Fan -> Soul Harvest. It's so predictable a dueller, at least, will completely avoid the main damage from that combo every time.

Fear tends to work better for a variety of reasons, not least that you fear other players and NPC guards around the target, giving you more time. On the other hand, while it basically guarantees the Caluurion hit, it's also a wasted GCD. It's not true stacked burst. The only players who outright die to this from full health are squishy noobs who haven't remapped the break free key and are still struggling to do so while I hit them with Soul Harvest. Those players I might hit for 9K to 10K at the very best. Tanky players get hit for less than 5K and they usually just shrug it off.

I don't have anything to follow that up with. The proc can only hit every 10 seconds. Other than that, I'm something of a wet noodle. Granted this has to do with my favored high-sustain, fast paced, no shade, no Merciless playstyle, but I submit that Caluurion hampers you in two ways. The first is that it has no magicka bonuses that would boost Dampen. The second is that you have to go in close on what is inevitably a squishy light armor build. It's a risky playstyle. When you compare it to other close range classes, you don't have magplar healing nor the DK synergy with block or their "turn the fight with an ultimate" playstyle.

As I'm writing this, I'm aware this really isn't different from having to go in close for a Soul Harvest / Merciless combo. The tradeoff is that Caluurion is available instantly, which is undeniably great. On the other hand Merciless has a comparable tooltip that can crit and a "conventional" build inevitably has better stats than a proc build, hitting harder all round. I also feel there were and still are stronger and possibly safer gank builds on the stamina side involving Snipe.

You can combine Caluurion with Zaan. I used to do that. I used to use Concealed. It is hard to make that work. IMO it's not worth it. I can think of no bar layout that would make Concealed work well. On the one hand you want Shadowy on the bar for the speed, along with buff skills you use in cloak. On the other hand you want more attacking skills on the same bar. It doesn't work. I've become more successful after switching to using Concealed only passively and having all my attacking skills on the other bar. This means I'm not a true melee player anymore. After the burst, either the target or me, or both, back off from each other. It is a much "healthier" playstyle, e.g. it boosts your survivability while still keeping up pressure or executing from range.

That's basically the problem with Zaan. You have to stay at close range for it to proc at all and it can take it's sweet time to do so. This makes you a true melee player, a very risky proposition. Because of the lacking magicka bonuses on either Zaan or Caluurion, you simply don't have enough magicka to boost Dampen to a good value and help you survive. Sure, Zaan is great when it procs immediately during a gank, but you also go through dry spells. The new version of Zaan looks better, but we'll have to see.

Alucardo · May 2020

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Yeah, Cal is pretty disgusting. I got completely wiped by some magblade wearing Cal and then having Zaan go off while I was stunned.

that's because you wear low resis maybe? I mean, more often than not I run calu and when I face someone with high resis I'm toasted

calu + zaan makes your extremely vulnerable if your opponent does not bite the dust quickly enough

edit:typo

Yeah, I was on a low resist character when that happened. Also my fault for just standing around in the open unprepared

Actually I was watching an older video of Kristofer's today, and this is probably still a viable build:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqu_KZUwezo

TL;DW; Strong burst magblade with high crit. Slimecraw, mother's sorrow and torug's pact with infused inferno and shock glyph. Shadow mundus to deal extra crit damage.
Basically poke them from stealth with an elemental weapon charged light attack into flame reach and watch half their health disappear.
Looks like a very fun build, but tricky to play at the same time because it involves a lot of movement and good positioning.

Crash427 · May 2020

@fred4 I'm not getting down on Cal or people who use it. I ran it for a long time and I think that proc sets are probably as balanced as they've ever been. My concern was the combo with Stuhns. Then pen buff from Stuhns made proc sets ridiculously OP. Not really an issue now after reading today's patch notes for the PTS.

Though with the changes to concealed + desync means it likely won't be worth running. Might as well go magplar and just spam toppling charge. Get a gap closer(without a hidden cast time), CC, and off balance. Remember when they said NB skills were overloaded?

I really think one of the biggest problems with NB, aside from the devs never being able to figure out how to balance on demand invisibility, is Merciless. A dead cast to start it, 5 light attacks, then cast it for a chance at doing damage. Not a great chance given both the warning sound and travel time. That's ~7 seconds for NBs burst, assuming every light attack lands. Every other class can heal from execute range to full health in what, 3 GCDs or less? And with all that work it doesn't hit much harder than a Dswing/medium attack.

fred4 · May 2020

Tangent: One of the things about both Merciless and Shadow Image I don't like is how they transform into other skills. Everyone knows there is a GCD and you can't recast a skill for one second. If you hammer a key, because of lag, the skill will eventually be cast once. So far so good. However, with Merciless and Shade, while you hammer the key, the skill may transform from Assassin's Will back to Merciless or from "put down image" to "teleport to image". For those skills, when you tap the key twice within one second, your second keystroke gets buffered and, on the next GCD, you can easily end up casting Merciless after Assassin's Will, when you didn't want to, or you can end up teleporting straight back to your shade.

Oh and yeah, Assassin's Will is slow and clunky beyond belief, when you compare it to Frags, Shalks, even Power of the Light, ...

Kadoin · May 2020

Honestly you cannot really do anything, esp. v stam tanks. They have the absolute advantage right now on live in every scenario...

What makes it worse is that NB has no advantage v. any spec right now besides cloak...

Chelo · May 2020

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Just use procc sets, it's sad but it is what it is...

I'm making a new build using Icy Conjuror and Valkyn Skoria for next patch.

Noctus · May 2020

Chelo wrote: »

Just use procc sets, it's sad but it is what it is...

I'm making a new build using Icy Conjuror and Valkyn Skoria for next patch.

https://imgur.com/a/lbByIHv

ok i make a build with more hp and more burst then on my DK.
stop that screenshot *** it has no value whatsoever a video would show more value there we could judge if ur opponents were just lightattack bots or not . if ur EU PC i could also judge just by the names if ur at high end mmr. procsets are not a solution they give u enough burst for a moment that u could get a kill if ur opponent not paying attention but it makes u so vurlnerable that u will die more often than landing a kill. NEWSFLASH magsorcs can use these sets too.... [Snip]

it takes nonetheless to much time to kill someone in a burst so u definately gonna get trashed while trying to dps one guy in a group. ppl just turn around trash u and continue like nothing happened.

magblade needs casttime of ult to be removed. root/snare immunity on melee combat u could add that to concealed weapon magicka morph. reduce uptime but let assassins will trigger automatically.

there are many other changes that would help im sure there are other ppl here with way better ideas

sry for my toxic tone but ive been talking about the magblade problem alot and when i see reoccuring things on forum i feel like smashing my head through my screen.

[Edited for bashing]

Chelo · May 2020

Noctus wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Just use procc sets, it's sad but it is what it is...

I'm making a new build using Icy Conjuror and Valkyn Skoria for next patch.

https://imgur.com/a/lbByIHv

ok i make a build with more hp and more burst then on my DK.
stop that screenshot *** it has no value whatsoever a video would show more value there we could judge if ur opponents were just lightattack bots or not . if ur EU PC i could also judge just by the names if ur at high end mmr. procsets are not a solution they give u enough burst for a moment that u could get a kill if ur opponent not paying attention but it makes u so vurlnerable that u will die more often than landing a kill. NEWSFLASH magsorcs can use these sets too....[Snip].

it takes nonetheless to much time to kill someone in a burst so u definately gonna get trashed while trying to dps one guy in a group. ppl just turn around trash u and continue like nothing happened.

magblade needs casttime of ult to be removed. root/snare immunity on melee combat u could add that to concealed weapon magicka morph. reduce uptime but let assassins will trigger automatically.

there are many other changes that would help im sure there are other ppl here with way better ideas

sry for my toxic tone but ive been talking about the magblade problem alot and when i see reoccuring things on forum i feel like smashing my head through my screen.

[Edited for bashing]

That screenshot is actualy a good example that everything a NB can do, a DK can do it twice as good hahaha.

Also NB is not getting any buff next patch, Devs make clear that class updates are not the main focus of the next chapter, and the next DLC is 4 or 5 months away. So right now we have to play with what we got at the moment, and sadly that's procc sets...

So stick with what we have right now or just roll another class until next DLC and then we will see if something has changed.

Iskiab · May 2020

Chelo wrote: »

Noctus wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Just use procc sets, it's sad but it is what it is...

I'm making a new build using Icy Conjuror and Valkyn Skoria for next patch.

https://imgur.com/a/lbByIHv

ok i make a build with more hp and more burst then on my DK.
stop that screenshot *** it has no value whatsoever a video would show more value there we could judge if ur opponents were just lightattack bots or not . if ur EU PC i could also judge just by the names if ur at high end mmr. procsets are not a solution they give u enough burst for a moment that u could get a kill if ur opponent not paying attention but it makes u so vurlnerable that u will die more often than landing a kill. NEWSFLASH magsorcs can use these sets too....[Snip].

it takes nonetheless to much time to kill someone in a burst so u definately gonna get trashed while trying to dps one guy in a group. ppl just turn around trash u and continue like nothing happened.

magblade needs casttime of ult to be removed. root/snare immunity on melee combat u could add that to concealed weapon magicka morph. reduce uptime but let assassins will trigger automatically.

there are many other changes that would help im sure there are other ppl here with way better ideas

sry for my toxic tone but ive been talking about the magblade problem alot and when i see reoccuring things on forum i feel like smashing my head through my screen.

[Edited for bashing]

That screenshot is actualy a good example that everything a NB can do, a DK can do it twice as good hahaha.

Also NB is not getting any buff next patch, Devs make clear that class updates are not the main focus of the next chapter, and the next DLC is 4 or 5 months away. So right now we have to play with what we got at the moment, and sadly that's procc sets...

So stick with what we have right now or just roll another class until next DLC and then we will see if something has changed.

Yea, I’ve been saying this for a while. They’ve tweaked lots of other abilities while magblade has been as is, I wouldn’t expect any large buffs.

Just play another class for a bit and see if there are any others you like. I’ve been building one of every class and it’s a good way to approach things. You get to see all sides, magblade is still fun so I play mine sometimes too but that doesn’t stop me from playing others.

Kaysha · May 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

Just play another class for a bit and see if there are any others you like. I’ve been building one of every class and it’s a good way to approach things. You get to see all sides, magblade is still fun so I play mine sometimes too but that doesn’t stop me from playing others.

The problem is, that we´ve been at this point already three years ago. No class left to build and the problem still remains.

ninjaguyman · May 2020

Chelo wrote: »

Noctus wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Just use procc sets, it's sad but it is what it is...

I'm making a new build using Icy Conjuror and Valkyn Skoria for next patch.

https://imgur.com/a/lbByIHv

ok i make a build with more hp and more burst then on my DK.
stop that screenshot *** it has no value whatsoever a video would show more value there we could judge if ur opponents were just lightattack bots or not . if ur EU PC i could also judge just by the names if ur at high end mmr. procsets are not a solution they give u enough burst for a moment that u could get a kill if ur opponent not paying attention but it makes u so vurlnerable that u will die more often than landing a kill. NEWSFLASH magsorcs can use these sets too....[Snip].

it takes nonetheless to much time to kill someone in a burst so u definately gonna get trashed while trying to dps one guy in a group. ppl just turn around trash u and continue like nothing happened.

magblade needs casttime of ult to be removed. root/snare immunity on melee combat u could add that to concealed weapon magicka morph. reduce uptime but let assassins will trigger automatically.

there are many other changes that would help im sure there are other ppl here with way better ideas

sry for my toxic tone but ive been talking about the magblade problem alot and when i see reoccuring things on forum i feel like smashing my head through my screen.

[Edited for bashing]

That screenshot is actualy a good example that everything a NB can do, a DK can do it twice as good hahaha.

Also NB is not getting any buff next patch, Devs make clear that class updates are not the main focus of the next chapter, and the next DLC is 4 or 5 months away. So right now we have to play with what we got at the moment, and sadly that's procc sets...

So stick with what we have right now or just roll another class until next DLC and then we will see if something has changed.

Even if we wait till next dlc, zos hasn't even said that nb changes are planned for then have they? We could wait 4-5 months just to see no changes at all.

Yet they pulled the concealed stun change seemingly out of nowhere. Here's to hoping that they can slide in a change or two at least.

Crash427 · May 2020

ninjaguyman wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Noctus wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Just use procc sets, it's sad but it is what it is...

I'm making a new build using Icy Conjuror and Valkyn Skoria for next patch.

https://imgur.com/a/lbByIHv

ok i make a build with more hp and more burst then on my DK.
stop that screenshot *** it has no value whatsoever a video would show more value there we could judge if ur opponents were just lightattack bots or not . if ur EU PC i could also judge just by the names if ur at high end mmr. procsets are not a solution they give u enough burst for a moment that u could get a kill if ur opponent not paying attention but it makes u so vurlnerable that u will die more often than landing a kill. NEWSFLASH magsorcs can use these sets too....[Snip].

it takes nonetheless to much time to kill someone in a burst so u definately gonna get trashed while trying to dps one guy in a group. ppl just turn around trash u and continue like nothing happened.

magblade needs casttime of ult to be removed. root/snare immunity on melee combat u could add that to concealed weapon magicka morph. reduce uptime but let assassins will trigger automatically.

there are many other changes that would help im sure there are other ppl here with way better ideas

sry for my toxic tone but ive been talking about the magblade problem alot and when i see reoccuring things on forum i feel like smashing my head through my screen.

[Edited for bashing]

That screenshot is actualy a good example that everything a NB can do, a DK can do it twice as good hahaha.

Also NB is not getting any buff next patch, Devs make clear that class updates are not the main focus of the next chapter, and the next DLC is 4 or 5 months away. So right now we have to play with what we got at the moment, and sadly that's procc sets...

So stick with what we have right now or just roll another class until next DLC and then we will see if something has changed.

Even if we wait till next dlc, zos hasn't even said that nb changes are planned for then have they? We could wait 4-5 months just to see no changes at all.

Yet they pulled the concealed stun change seemingly out of nowhere. Here's to hoping that they can slide in a change or two at least.

The whole class balance thing was supposed to be happening a couple patches ago, but they never seemed to get around to doing anything but taking from NBs and giving weird things back, like resistance on our main damage skill.

Really it all started going downhill big time with the Murkmire release, and I get it. Around Summerset folks were running 4 person content with nothing but magblade DPSers. Have one backbar a resto staff and play a bit hybrid dps/heals and you were good. But they really went after the class with a sledge hammer instead of a scalpel and here we are, almost 2 years later.

Now combine that with the current performance and it's pretty obvious why so many of us are just waiting for a new game to come out.

Maulkin · May 2020

Chelo wrote: »

Just use procc sets, it's sad but it is what it is...

I'm making a new build using Icy Conjuror and Valkyn Skoria for next patch.

I tried Icy Conjuror on magblade and wouldn't recommend it. You're not a dot pressure class you're a burst class, it doesn't work too well and it mostly just tickles unless you can stack lots of dots which you won't.

I ran Zaan, Caluurion (front), Icy (body). Also tried the same with Icy only on backbar (with Debilitate) and 2 potato or willpower rings. Backbar is a bad idea cause debilitate is slow and you can't weap swap till it lands or you won't proc Icy. Body was better but ended up being more effective replacing it with Spinner in that very same set up.

Just my 2p

Moonsorrow · May 2020

Just came in to say that damn... after few days on my Magblade again it feels so underwhelming and takes 100% more effort to accomplish same things that on other classes can just do with one hand, a little exaggeration but not much..

Any 1vs1 with the current meta Stamcros (that are everywhere) are total pain. I have reset fight, again and again to try different angles and to try make them tired so they make mistakes, but even with mistakes they can recover fast and even with me having GOOD damage, pen and pressure.. their natural mitigations (Deaden Pain, mitigation Ghost and so on, free heals.. Mortal Coil..............) makes them so tanky that an ASSASSIN spec has serious trouble of ASSASSINATING them with try after try.

And yes yes, do say the "L2P" if like to defend current Stamcro, you still know the truth inside that it is a total carry class on stam right now.

Yes, i also have a stamcro, and yes killing peeps with it really is simple to the level of feeling a bit dirty about it.

Magblade can really only pick very selected targets right now or hunt in a duo/pack, or steal kills with Impale from some Stamcro before they get Executioner in on some escaping target lol. I quote a known name from Cyro: Crippled Class. Thats how playing Magblade feels now. Skills bug often on top of being nerfed way too much.

Only total gimmick builds work atleast somehow on, again, to a very selected group of targets.
And yes, can burn tents and scout at Cyrodiil. Yay.

I want playing Magblade to feel fun and competitive again, no need to be OP, just feel like being able to seriously compete without being nearly a joke on the threat level. Now all i have are negative thoughts. And salt. Lots of salty feelings.

/rant

PS. With Stamblade atleast got better burst, so can actually take down some stamcros every now and then.

PPS: "I HAVE SPOKEN."

Chelo · May 2020

Maulkin wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Just use procc sets, it's sad but it is what it is...

I'm making a new build using Icy Conjuror and Valkyn Skoria for next patch.

I tried Icy Conjuror on magblade and wouldn't recommend it. You're not a dot pressure class you're a burst class, it doesn't work too well and it mostly just tickles unless you can stack lots of dots which you won't.

I ran Zaan, Caluurion (front), Icy (body). Also tried the same with Icy only on backbar (with Debilitate) and 2 potato or willpower rings. Backbar is a bad idea cause debilitate is slow and you can't weap swap till it lands or you won't proc Icy. Body was better but ended up being more effective replacing it with Spinner in that very same set up.

Just my 2p

I'm planning another way to use Icy Conjuror. It will be done with the next chapter updates. Just farming the gear now.

It's hard to explain here, probably going to make a video if it works. Only issue lm thinking might be sustain.

Chelo · May 2020

ninjaguyman wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Noctus wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Just use procc sets, it's sad but it is what it is...

I'm making a new build using Icy Conjuror and Valkyn Skoria for next patch.

https://imgur.com/a/lbByIHv

ok i make a build with more hp and more burst then on my DK.
stop that screenshot *** it has no value whatsoever a video would show more value there we could judge if ur opponents were just lightattack bots or not . if ur EU PC i could also judge just by the names if ur at high end mmr. procsets are not a solution they give u enough burst for a moment that u could get a kill if ur opponent not paying attention but it makes u so vurlnerable that u will die more often than landing a kill. NEWSFLASH magsorcs can use these sets too....[Snip].

it takes nonetheless to much time to kill someone in a burst so u definately gonna get trashed while trying to dps one guy in a group. ppl just turn around trash u and continue like nothing happened.

magblade needs casttime of ult to be removed. root/snare immunity on melee combat u could add that to concealed weapon magicka morph. reduce uptime but let assassins will trigger automatically.

there are many other changes that would help im sure there are other ppl here with way better ideas

sry for my toxic tone but ive been talking about the magblade problem alot and when i see reoccuring things on forum i feel like smashing my head through my screen.

[Edited for bashing]

That screenshot is actualy a good example that everything a NB can do, a DK can do it twice as good hahaha.

Also NB is not getting any buff next patch, Devs make clear that class updates are not the main focus of the next chapter, and the next DLC is 4 or 5 months away. So right now we have to play with what we got at the moment, and sadly that's procc sets...

So stick with what we have right now or just roll another class until next DLC and then we will see if something has changed.

Even if we wait till next dlc, zos hasn't even said that nb changes are planned for then have they? We could wait 4-5 months just to see no changes at all.

Yet they pulled the concealed stun change seemingly out of nowhere. Here's to hoping that they can slide in a change or two at least.

Never lose faith! 🙏🏿😉

daemonor · May 2020

One guy in this thread pointed out infused torugs pact with shock glyph as a proc set and after trying it I have to say that was the missing piece of the calurions puzzle. I tried spinners with caal, i tried a sustain set, but nothing felt as good as pairing those 2 together. Using it together with slimecraw in bgs or troll king in cp pvp, 3 infused rings 1 recovery 2 spell damage atro mundus with sugar skulls. So far my favourite setups of the many that i tried, props to the guy.

OWLTHEMAD · May 2020

daemonor wrote: »

One guy in this thread pointed out infused torugs pact with shock glyph as a proc set and after trying it I have to say that was the missing piece of the calurions puzzle. I tried spinners with caal, i tried a sustain set, but nothing felt as good as pairing those 2 together. Using it together with slimecraw in bgs or troll king in cp pvp, 3 infused rings 1 recovery 2 spell damage atro mundus with sugar skulls. So far my favourite setups of the many that i tried, props to the guy.

Wow so we're basically back to summerset meta.

Thats my old settup from summerset, alcast had build way back when like that.

Crash427 · May 2020

Does Icy Conjurer proc off lotus fan?

Maulkin · May 2020

Crash427 wrote: »

Does Icy Conjurer proc off lotus fan?

Sure

Chelo · May 2020

Crash427 wrote: »

Does Icy Conjurer proc off lotus fan?

Yup, that's exactly how I plan to use it.

ScruffyWhiskers · May 2020

Chelo wrote: »

Crash427 wrote: »

Does Icy Conjurer proc off lotus fan?

Yup, that's exactly how I plan to use it.

I spent a lot of time trying to get the flame staff when it came out. I got a frost staff so I goofed around with a Cal and Icy proc combo with slime crawl. If they had kept the duration at 4 sec it would have been a good surprise ganking set to get those tougher ones into execute range for impale. I would go Lotus, CW or SH as you are moving, light, fear, impale. But as it is right now or was when I quit it is too spread out; with so much hot being applied it basically is just canceling out that when somebody goes to recover heal.