What if it cost gold to /zone or /yell in zone chat

ZarkingFrued · May 2020

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

How much does it cost to
LOL?
Cause I think I just went broke....

😂

Dusk_Coven · May 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

How newbies will get groups for their daily world boss??
How about pick up groups?
And how people will sell pay runs then???

Do those people spam /zone chat repeatedly in a short amount of time?
Do people who respond have to spam chat repeatedly in response? Do people who respond have to use /zone chat at all?
Remember: First one's free, as are those after a cooldown period.

eKsDee · May 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Yeah cause this will work well in PVP when you need to type things fast

Maybe use discord? Or group up?

Or maybe minimise chat or turn off zone chat if you don't want to see spam or abuse? Maybe?

/thread

Dusk_Coven · May 2020

eKsDee wrote: »

Or maybe minimise chat or turn off zone chat if you don't want to see spam or abuse? Maybe?

Maybe you can answer this then:

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

How newbies will get groups for their daily world boss??
How about pick up groups?

Your so-called solution that accepts illegitimate use of zone chat is worse.

chris25602 · May 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

chris25602 wrote: »

i have no one on my ignore list ...i simply know that 99% of zone chat is worthless...but keeping it open i find the 1% of pure gold... if you are unable to filter irrelevant info with your own brain well that's your problem...not the games problem

This is backwards thinking.
Zone chat abuse led to making it worthless. Instead of accepting that, how about combatting that abuse so that it's use becomes more legitimate more of the time?

because any attempt to do so results in some form of pay2win...everyone must be able to speak its up to you to find the value..censorship just enforces a form of oppression based on whatever arbitrary rules decided upon. literally you need to have the fortitude to self censor what you value and discard what you dont value trying to suppress things you dont like just means you are a despot to be

Dusk_Coven · May 2020

chris25602 wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

chris25602 wrote: »

i have no one on my ignore list ...i simply know that 99% of zone chat is worthless...but keeping it open i find the 1% of pure gold... if you are unable to filter irrelevant info with your own brain well that's your problem...not the games problem

This is backwards thinking.
Zone chat abuse led to making it worthless. Instead of accepting that, how about combatting that abuse so that it's use becomes more legitimate more of the time?

because any attempt to do so results in some form of pay2win...everyone must be able to speak

First one's free as are those after a cooldown.
Where's the pay to win? More like pay2spam. Which is better than non-existent GMs. The faster you spam the more you are immediately punished for it. Legitimate uses of zone chat are unlikely to be affected at all.

chris25602 · May 2020

its not the games problem to filter other players thought and opinions that your job

barney2525 · May 2020

The chat box is just not that big. It is easily overlooked and does not command your attention every time someone says something.

If you don't want to see what people are saying, you can shrink it down to nothing and go about your business.

IMHO

eKsDee · May 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

eKsDee wrote: »

Or maybe minimise chat or turn off zone chat if you don't want to see spam or abuse? Maybe?

Maybe you can answer this then:

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

How newbies will get groups for their daily world boss??
How about pick up groups?

Your so-called solution is worse.

... how is it worse than your's, which puts a gold fee on talking to strangers, when mine is to literally just block them or mute zone chat if it offends you that badly? You're making less and less sense the longer this thread goes on.

Your entire problem is that people either spam zone chat with junk, or hurl abuse at others through zone chat, and sure, it does happen. Though if, for some reason, you can't just literally ignore it and continue doing what you're doing, the game already gives you the tools necessary to deal with these -- block the person, mute zone chat, or minimise chat entirely if it gets that bad.

Your solution is far more destructive than what I suggest and what the game already provides, and is a solution that goes against the very idea of an MMO.

What if a new players wants to ask advice in zone? Sure, their first message is free, but what about subsequent ones? Do you really expect new players to group up with other players, or vice versa, just to get some advice?

What if you're in Alik'r or Auridon and want to get into the dolmen groups, where one of the leaders has Auto Invite set to listen for a specific string of characters? Sure, you can ask for an invite once, but what if the group is full and you're waiting for a spot to become available, are you expected to pay a gold fee for that?

What if you're in Cyrodiil and are trying to coordinate with multiple groups through zone chat, are you expected to pay a gold fee there?

This is a non-issue for anyone who has a spine, and those who don't already have the tools available in-game to deal with any spam or abuse that may offend them. No other solutions are needed, and certainly not ones as destructive as your's.

Arca94 · May 2020

How about an IRL currency fee whenever you want to post utter nonsense on these forums?

Seriously though, this is one of the most ridiculous suggestions I've ever heard on these forums. There are already solutions for people who don't like the chat feature like minimising it or blocking people.

If someone truly is repeatedly spamming the chat, and by spam I don't mean having a conversation, people will block them, report them or just straight up put up with it as that's really not hard to do.

Foto1 · May 2020

just add them to the ignored list. it's a terrible idea

VaranisArano · May 2020

I'm a little surprised that this is apparently a genuine suggestion, rather than sarcastic.

Uses for Zone Chat the OP ignored, aside from general socialization:
Forming up a group for WBs or group quests
Forming up a group for Dungeons/Trials
Selling items
Organizing one's own faction in Cyrodiil/alerting about enemy movements

Seriously, this is a bad idea when:
A. We don't have a Trial Groupfinder
B. Events are often balanced around sharing quests
C. If you don't join a trading guild, you have to sell items in chat

This is a perfect example of someone trying to implement a systemic change for a problem that can be be addressed by each individual.

Deathlord92 · May 2020

I wish we still had the lol option 🤣🤣🤣

chris25602 · May 2020

maybe i am alone on this. but the mere suggestion chat should be censored in any way is annoying. like others have said there are ample tools to put yourself in whatever bubble you like. extracting any cost for communication is abhorrent and shows a lack of empathy that astounds me.

Lumenn · May 2020

Hmm, sounds to me like it's just a way to strangle anyone not using/going through guild traders. But of course I've always been a bit cynical

Dusk_Coven · May 2020

eKsDee wrote: »

What if a new players wants to ask advice in zone? Sure, their first message is free, but what about subsequent ones? Do you really expect new players to group up with other players, or vice versa, just to get some advice?

What if you're in Alik'r or Auridon and want to get into the dolmen groups, where one of the leaders has Auto Invite set to listen for a specific string of characters? Sure, you can ask for an invite once, but what if the group is full and you're waiting for a spot to become available, are you expected to pay a gold fee for that?

What if you're in Cyrodiil and are trying to coordinate with multiple groups through zone chat, are you expected to pay a gold fee there?

They can use /zone chat again after the cooldown.
They can use /whisper
They can meet up and use /say
They can group up and use /group
As can anyone answering them.
Lots of other avenues other than spamming chat with anything. It's highly unlikely that any legitimate use of /zone or /yell needs anyone to spam multiple messages all within a very short duration of each other.

Before you pull out scenarios -- ask yourself if those scenarios would actually cause someone to have to pay an escalating price because they are writing multiple messages repeatedly in either /zone or /yell

VaranisArano · May 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Your so-called solution that accepts illegitimate use of zone chat is worse.

And who exactly appointed you the determiner of what is and isn't a "legitimate" use of zone chat?

ZOS is the only ones who can actually enforce the TOS on spamming. You can report anything you think is spamming and you can use the ignore function, but you don't actually get to enforce your personal pet peeves on everyone else in an MMO.

witchdoctor · May 2020

There *must* be a hugely entertaining story behind this suggestion.

The idea falls face-to-dirt on the slimest inspection, so, something gold must have led to this.

Mortiis13 · May 2020

Make it cost 1 crown for 100 letters.

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Elsonso · May 2020

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Dusk_Coven wrote: »

chris25602 wrote: »

i have no one on my ignore list ...i simply know that 99% of zone chat is worthless...but keeping it open i find the 1% of pure gold... if you are unable to filter irrelevant info with your own brain well that's your problem...not the games problem

This is backwards thinking.
Zone chat abuse led to making it worthless. Instead of accepting that, how about combatting that abuse so that it's use becomes more legitimate more of the time?

It is worthless because of the people, not because of how it is implemented in the game. If you want to combat the abuse, focus on the source, not the messenger.

doomette · May 2020

I’m getting strong “get off mah lawn” vibes from this one.

heaven13 · May 2020

I very often answer questions for new players in zone chat. I'm not going to stop what I am doing to send them a group message so I can then type in group. I may already BE in a group doing something else, but trying to be helpful. I also play in offline mode a lot when I want to solo play without having to tell my friends no when they want to run dungeons. In offline mode, people can't whisper me back if they want to carry on the conversation. And no, I still don't want to group with them, just to answer some questions about "how do I transmute something".

clocksstoppe · May 2020

Why the hell are people having social interaction in an MMO, outrageous

Tommy_The_Gun · May 2020

That would be awesome !

ZOS could monetize Chat (and make craft bag free instead) and make special chat packs in crown store, that would allow you to spam chat as long as you pay for it. I could simply turn off the chat and let trolls to pay for the game !
That is awesome idea ! ! !

Wobnog · May 2020

Ive noticed the people who always have issues with in-game chats feeling the need to tell people to move on to another topic or complaining on forums about it are also the people who never talk in chat

Even if you do speak in chat sometimes and something you dont like is being said or discussed in chat why dont you just not look at it?

You should possess this capability and if you for whatever reason dont you have the option to disable the chat

What gives you the right to try and penalize others just because youre for whatever reason incapable of solving your own problems even when the tools to do so are provided

jadarock · May 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

jadarock wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

eKsDee wrote: »

... what? Are you seriously asking if we should have to pay a gold fee to communicate in an MMO? Jesus, this community never ceases to baffle me...

First one's free. If you're having an actual conversation you can get together and use /say, group up, or /tell
If you want to spam rubbish might as well gold sink you too.

Some games don't even let you talk, and especially not /yell, without buying a consumable.

You dont like communicating or weaving there are other mmos. Several of your posts recently I completely disagree with. Eso is unique please stop trying to make it like other games

Maybe you should stop spamming /zone or /yell chat? Then this idea wouldn't penalize you at all.
If people being allowed to spam ESO /zone or /yell with nonsense endlessly makes it "unique"... that's a feature we don't need to have and the people defending it need to be gone.

The only time I "spam" chat is to warn a troll they are going to get blocked. The other 99% of the time i post in chat is to give pertinent info like enemy movements , to call attention to the map or to call out the evaluation time.

The fix is simple get thicker skin block them or turn off chat . Stop trying to reduce the ability to communicate. Stop trying to make this like other games.

There's no gosh darn reason I should have to pay gold to give my alliance info in chat.
Now please go away with your nerf posts!!

robertthebard · May 2020

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

jadarock wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

eKsDee wrote: »

... what? Are you seriously asking if we should have to pay a gold fee to communicate in an MMO? Jesus, this community never ceases to baffle me...

First one's free. If you're having an actual conversation you can get together and use /say, group up, or /tell
If you want to spam rubbish might as well gold sink you too.

Some games don't even let you talk, and especially not /yell, without buying a consumable.

You dont like communicating or weaving there are other mmos. Several of your posts recently I completely disagree with. Eso is unique please stop trying to make it like other games

unique doesnt mean better - eso should learn what other games are doing better and improve - every system should

They gave us tools to deal with this very situation, we can turn off the different variants of chat, with just a few clicks of a mouse. What else do they need to do, log into your account and do it for you?

robertthebard · May 2020

doomette wrote: »

I’m getting strong “get off mah lawn” vibes from this one.

Hey, that's my line, it's actually in some of my bios...

But if it's an issue, I just block the player that's causing it, like 55 "check out my twitch stream" posts in a few minutes.

Sanguinor2 · May 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Maybe use discord? Or group up?

Maybe disable Zone Chat if reading it bothers you so much. Or you could inconvenience thousands of Players because you think there are too many words in Zone Chat lmao.