Leukedonia wrote: »

Hello.
This might have been asked already but found no answer from searching.

I know they say at CP 300 you can start looking into doing vet dungeons.
Similarly, at what CP are you considered competitive in CP-enabled Cyrodiil for PvP?

I've been to No-CP Cyrodiil and it was empty. I was pretty disappointed tbh.
Haven't really been to Imperial city but i heard its dead too?

Currently at 210 CP.
Obtained most of my PvP gear (just need one more item)
I've been practicing PvP at BGs alot although i got a long way to go.
I want to start transitioning to Cyrodiil for the real deal

Unfortunately I always tell people to wait as long as possible to go into cp PVP. You are always handicapping yourself when you go there just off missing stats. You get bonus health stam and magic for being 810, you get resistances and more sustain and more damage just for being there.

Like the person above said you can have more player skill than an 810 but this is exactly why I'm against cp in general. Just because you are a low cp it shouldn't make you at a disadvantage in PVP (unless you are in low level PVP but then you only face other low levels).

Best advice I would say is if you really want to go there either join a zerg and stay close to them or grind cp to give you more breathing room.

CP are quiet relative in AvAvA:

If you can anticipate, knowing strategy and can use up to three balistas - or you are just healer -, you are able go top 10.

Iskiab wrote: »

To be competitive maybe 600 CPs? I’m not really sure.

Have you finished doing all the skill lines and stuff?

I think doing pvp is best played as endgame. I went:

CP160-300: Pure pve
301-600: mix and PvE and PvP in no-CP
601-809: all no-CP pvp
810: CP pvp

Each step teaches something too. PvE taught animation cancelling and light attack weaving. No-CP teaches positioning, anticipating damage, and doing a burst combo. By 810 you want to have that stuff down, large groups are good for cp but you could miss out on basics.

I made the mistake once of going into CP pvp at low CPs once, maybe at around your CP level or around 200. I found someone farming mobs on the bridge going to the city for some weird reason. Tried ganking them, and they completely ignored me for 10 seconds. When the person started finding me irritating, they turned around and bursted me in 2 seconds. It was a valuable lesson.

Exactly, the game has a natural progression.

And if people don't like cp pvp, they should go no-cp and don't complain.

People say it is more skill based on no-cp, but i find pure rng proc set fiesta, people in no-cp is carried by proc damage sets which add damage for free, see calurion and company.

I play both personally, because they are different.

I personally wanna find that playing no-cp in somewhat low sustain really help you managing your resource a lot, and once you go into cp you will find it wayyy easier and helpful.

I think at 600cp you start being somewhat competitive, at 700 maybe you have maybe a 3% difference from a 810cp guy, but yeah i would play cp pvp only when you are max.

GRXRG wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Leukedonia wrote: »

Hello.
This might have been asked already but found no answer from searching.

I know they say at CP 300 you can start looking into doing vet dungeons.
Similarly, at what CP are you considered competitive in CP-enabled Cyrodiil for PvP?

I've been to No-CP Cyrodiil and it was empty. I was pretty disappointed tbh.
Haven't really been to Imperial city but i heard its dead too?

Currently at 210 CP.
Obtained most of my PvP gear (just need one more item)
I've been practicing PvP at BGs alot although i got a long way to go.
I want to start transitioning to Cyrodiil for the real deal

Unfortunately I always tell people to wait as long as possible to go into cp PVP. You are always handicapping yourself when you go there just off missing stats. You get bonus health stam and magic for being 810, you get resistances and more sustain and more damage just for being there.

Like the person above said you can have more player skill than an 810 but this is exactly why I'm against cp in general. Just because you are a low cp it shouldn't make you at a disadvantage in PVP (unless you are in low level PVP but then you only face other low levels).

Best advice I would say is if you really want to go there either join a zerg and stay close to them or grind cp to give you more breathing room.

"Just because you are a low cp it shouldn't make you at a disadvantage in PVP"

You know that exist several no-cp gamemodes where everyone is the same?

If you play a CP campaign when you are under 810cp (Under 700 if you are skilled) it is just your own fault and cannot complain, and as I said there are alternatives when cp won't matter.

Ya except it depends on what platform they play on (PS4 na for example became a farm spot for people swapping toons because they unlocked it so more people left) so if they play there no cp is not even an option as it is a dead campaign (even though people said it would be better unlocked and it went from healthy fun spot to dead). So their only option might be cp (if you read what they said, they stated non cp was dead they weren't trying to go there but being forced into cp)

GRXRG wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

To be competitive maybe 600 CPs? I’m not really sure.

Have you finished doing all the skill lines and stuff?

I think doing pvp is best played as endgame. I went:

CP160-300: Pure pve
301-600: mix and PvE and PvP in no-CP
601-809: all no-CP pvp
810: CP pvp

Each step teaches something too. PvE taught animation cancelling and light attack weaving. No-CP teaches positioning, anticipating damage, and doing a burst combo. By 810 you want to have that stuff down, large groups are good for cp but you could miss out on basics.

I made the mistake once of going into CP pvp at low CPs once, maybe at around your CP level or around 200. I found someone farming mobs on the bridge going to the city for some weird reason. Tried ganking them, and they completely ignored me for 10 seconds. When the person started finding me irritating, they turned around and bursted me in 2 seconds. It was a valuable lesson.

Exactly, the game has a natural progression.

And if people don't like cp pvp, they should go no-cp and don't complain.

People say it is more skill based on no-cp, but i find pure rng proc set fiesta, people in no-cp is carried by proc damage sets which add damage for free, see calurion and company.

I play both personally, because they are different.

I personally wanna find that playing no-cp in somewhat low sustain really help you managing your resource a lot, and once you go into cp you will find it wayyy easier and helpful.

I think at 600cp you start being somewhat competitive, at 700 maybe you have maybe a 3% difference from a 810cp guy, but yeah i would play cp pvp only when you are max.

Lastly just a FYI only bad players rely on proc sets in non cp. (Outside of the same ones used in CP like monster sets, fury, ECT). I barely find good players running those proc sets people complain about and I use to play exclusively no cp. Most players run raw damage/stat boosting sets.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

GRXRG wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Leukedonia wrote: »

Hello.
This might have been asked already but found no answer from searching.

I know they say at CP 300 you can start looking into doing vet dungeons.
Similarly, at what CP are you considered competitive in CP-enabled Cyrodiil for PvP?

I've been to No-CP Cyrodiil and it was empty. I was pretty disappointed tbh.
Haven't really been to Imperial city but i heard its dead too?

Currently at 210 CP.
Obtained most of my PvP gear (just need one more item)
I've been practicing PvP at BGs alot although i got a long way to go.
I want to start transitioning to Cyrodiil for the real deal

Unfortunately I always tell people to wait as long as possible to go into cp PVP. You are always handicapping yourself when you go there just off missing stats. You get bonus health stam and magic for being 810, you get resistances and more sustain and more damage just for being there.

Like the person above said you can have more player skill than an 810 but this is exactly why I'm against cp in general. Just because you are a low cp it shouldn't make you at a disadvantage in PVP (unless you are in low level PVP but then you only face other low levels).

Best advice I would say is if you really want to go there either join a zerg and stay close to them or grind cp to give you more breathing room.

"Just because you are a low cp it shouldn't make you at a disadvantage in PVP"

You know that exist several no-cp gamemodes where everyone is the same?

If you play a CP campaign when you are under 810cp (Under 700 if you are skilled) it is just your own fault and cannot complain, and as I said there are alternatives when cp won't matter.

Ya except it depends on what platform they play on (PS4 na for example became a farm spot for people swapping toons because they unlocked it so more people left) so if they play there no cp is not even an option as it is a dead campaign (even though people said it would be better unlocked and it went from healthy fun spot to dead). So their only option might be cp (if you read what they said, they stated non cp was dead they weren't trying to go there but being forced into cp)

GRXRG wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

To be competitive maybe 600 CPs? I’m not really sure.

Have you finished doing all the skill lines and stuff?

I think doing pvp is best played as endgame. I went:

CP160-300: Pure pve
301-600: mix and PvE and PvP in no-CP
601-809: all no-CP pvp
810: CP pvp

Each step teaches something too. PvE taught animation cancelling and light attack weaving. No-CP teaches positioning, anticipating damage, and doing a burst combo. By 810 you want to have that stuff down, large groups are good for cp but you could miss out on basics.

I made the mistake once of going into CP pvp at low CPs once, maybe at around your CP level or around 200. I found someone farming mobs on the bridge going to the city for some weird reason. Tried ganking them, and they completely ignored me for 10 seconds. When the person started finding me irritating, they turned around and bursted me in 2 seconds. It was a valuable lesson.

Exactly, the game has a natural progression.

And if people don't like cp pvp, they should go no-cp and don't complain.

People say it is more skill based on no-cp, but i find pure rng proc set fiesta, people in no-cp is carried by proc damage sets which add damage for free, see calurion and company.

I play both personally, because they are different.

I personally wanna find that playing no-cp in somewhat low sustain really help you managing your resource a lot, and once you go into cp you will find it wayyy easier and helpful.

I think at 600cp you start being somewhat competitive, at 700 maybe you have maybe a 3% difference from a 810cp guy, but yeah i would play cp pvp only when you are max.

Lastly just a FYI only bad players rely on proc sets in non cp. (Outside of the same ones used in CP like monster sets, fury, ECT). I barely find good players running those proc sets people complain about and I use to play exclusively no cp. Most players run raw damage/stat boosting sets.

That’s just not true. It depends what class you are.

If you’re stam, a magsorc, or a magtemplar there’s no need for proc sets. I use Zaan as a MagDK and magwarden, and caluurion as a magblade.

If you’re one of the weaker classes then they use proc sets a lot. It’s just part of the current balance of the game: if you have a complete toolkit then there’s no need for proc sets, if you don’t then why not.

People are going to use what’s most effective, balance is near an all time low so proc sets make some classes more effective. I don’t wear proc sets on some classes because they’d make me weaker. Blood spawn is a proc set btw.

Depends entirely on your competition. With the right build and execution, you can definitely win against lower-skill 810 players. But once you start going up against better players (assuming at least equal skill to you), the difference in CP becomes insurmountable.

I personally hate CP-PvP and always have. I've been max for a long time now but would take no cp over CP any day. Also makes it easier to transition between Cyro and BGs... and IMO that is helpful, since I strongly suggest you spend a lot of time in BGs first to learn your class and build, as the rapid and small conflicts are easier to learn about ESO's pvp than the nature of Cyrodil's action, I think.

the correct answer is: depends on your class and skill.

jab-spamming templars can be effective starting CP160, while all purple med-armor stamDK burst build might wanna wait until around CP600.... or if ur playing heals, with the right skill, even <50 can be effective.

Leukedonia wrote: »

Thank you for replying everyone.

@Vietfox said Cyrodiil is a mess right now.

What are some specific issues?
I heard it's a lag fest.

is there anything else?

that's about it. everything else is minor and u can still have fun.

TL;DR - Go for it whenever, now even. You'll probably struggle and it will be frustrating at times but you can learn from it, become better from it, and most importantly, you can still have tons of fun.

Like everyone else has pretty much said - it depends. It also depends on what you mean by "competitive" too.

If you just mean useful then honestly you could go at anytime (although preferably after you're 160 and have a full PvP set so you don't get instantly killed by anyone who looks your way). Even at low CP you can still heal, you can still operate siege, you can still res teammates, you can still make useful call outs in zone or to your group, and you can generally improve your group and alliances chances of success.

If by competitive you're talking about small-scale, 1v1, 1vX type of stuff...maybe, but really no. CP isn't the end all be all, and I've seen skilled players around the 200-300 level give 810's good fights, and tear up 810's who were new to PvP and less skilled, PvErs, etc., but this is extremely extremely unlikely.

CP still gives you numerous advantages, so against an equally skilled player you're starting from a position of weakness. An 810 will have much more passive damage mitigation, higher damage output, higher critical damage, higher healing, better regen, and cheaper blocking and dodging.

Not all is lost though. I went to CP Cyrodiil the second I hit 160. Seriously, the moment I was 160 I made both my sets and went straight in and haven't left yet. I'm about 440 CP's further in now (just over 600), and about 99% of those we're earned just from PvP, it's literally all I do.

At 160 it was rough. Partly because I had no idea what the hell I was doing, but especially because I didn't know what everyone else was doing. I didn't know how to anticipate and react to a warden or templar combo, simply because I had never done it before. This, coupled with being at a massive CP disadvantage, made it quite challenging. In those days I mostly zerged to watch and learn how Cyrodiil functions.

By the time I was about 400 I was much better. Not good mind you, but I had a general idea of what to do, and a basic idea of what other classes were doing, and the CP gap wasn't as bad. This was when I started venturing off solo and in smaller groups of 2-4 more often.

Once I hit roughly 500 was when things started to feel like they were "evening out". I could fight, and potentially win, against many 810's, although the experienced old timers still typically always got me, but I could (usually) make them work for it at least. Now in the 600's it's pretty much just a solid progression from the 500's, but by now most of my CP's have hit or are starting to hit major diminishing returns, so the CP gap is nowhere near as noticible as it once was.

Your effectiveness will improve overtime, but it's as much a natural progression of your own skills as it is your CP's. CP helps, or puts you at a disadvantage, but the majority of your success or failure will come from what's going on between your ears, not what's going on in your champion trees.