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Returning Stamsorc PVP

  • Maulkin
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    Just so I understand how WoF and RM work,

    You have to have the 5th piece of each currently equipped for it to proc, right?

    Lik,e you can't back bar one, apply a weapon dot on your backbar, then weapon swap (unequiping the 5th piece) and still get procs off tics of the weapon dot from your back bar?
    Aznox wrote: »
    Nope, you can't do that.
    Set needs to be active when the trigger happens (here : when the dot ticks).

    Correct, but it does proc off DoTs you put from your backbar (when the 5th piece wasn't active) when you switch to your frontbar. Watch this....

    https://youtu.be/f2x6gIsc6aU

    When I checked CMX I noticed it also proc'ed Way of Fire as well, which is also front-bar only. And as you can see from CMX there is no damage from the DW bar where the sets are active.

    joOT8RP.png

    The cool thing about having Merciless Charge on the back-bar with a 2H axe, is that the DoT also procs Heavy Weapons bleed. As you can see from 1 Stampede I applied 3 DoTs:
    • Merciless Charge (DoT)
    • Stampede (Ground Effect)
    • Heavy Weapons bleed

    ... so when I swapped to my front-bar these 3 DoTs, which are considered damage from a weapon, proc'ed both WoF and RM. I did ~36k damage (RM damage was clipped to 4k cause croc died, it has double the WoF tooltip) by merely doing Stampede->Weapon Swap. And if I had proc'ed Skoria too it would have done upwards of 45k damage. All from just a charge and the sets doing the work for you.
    Edited by Maulkin on April 6, 2020 11:34PM
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  • MurderMostFoul
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    Maulkin wrote: »

    Just so I understand how WoF and RM work,

    You have to have the 5th piece of each currently equipped for it to proc, right?

    Lik,e you can't back bar one, apply a weapon dot on your backbar, then weapon swap (unequiping the 5th piece) and still get procs off tics of the weapon dot from your back bar?
    Aznox wrote: »
    Nope, you can't do that.
    Set needs to be active when the trigger happens (here : when the dot ticks).

    Correct, but it does proc off DoTs you put from your backbar (when the 5th piece wasn't active) when you switch to your frontbar. Watch this....

    https://youtu.be/f2x6gIsc6aU

    When I checked CMX I noticed it also proc'ed Way of Fire as well, which is also front-bar only. And as you can see from CMX there is no damage from the DW bar where the sets are active.

    joOT8RP.png

    According to CMX, there is no burning status effect damage. I am guessing that's just chance.

    Because with all of these ongoing sources of weapon damage and the frequent fire damage procs, I'm thinking there could be some interesting Synergy with Stam DK, as it would get a good amount of Magicka recovery due to applying burning so often.
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  • Maulkin
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    According to CMX, there is no burning status effect damage. I am guessing that's just chance.

    Because with all of these ongoing sources of weapon damage and the frequent fire damage procs, I'm thinking there could be some interesting Synergy with Stam DK, as it would get a good amount of Magicka recovery due to applying burning so often.

    It is just chance. I did a 3m dummy parse and the 3 fire sets proc'ed a Burning DoT that ticked 38 times in 2m 38 secs. I can't recall if it's 3 ticks per DoT or 2. But that's quite good uptime in my book.

    tvr6ZWB.png

    Also, may I say, that's quite a respectable dps parse for a completely unbuffed pvp build with impen traits, wrong CP allocation and regen on jewellery and mundus :joy:

    It would offer some good extra sustain on StamDK, but staying alive would an issue with such a build. I can Streak out of trouble, Dark Deal and reset the fight as stamsorc. StamDK has no such option, you're in it till the end.

    Edited by Maulkin on April 7, 2020 6:12AM
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  • psychotic13
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    Here's my build, I quit before Elyswer and have come back recently and my build hasn't changed, still works great.

    x5 Hulking
    x5 Cyrodils Ward (2H bar)
    x2 Troll King
    x1 Master Bow

    5M/2H

  • Aznox
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    Aznox wrote: »
    mav1234 wrote: »

    draugrkin+azureblight? :open_mouth:

    how is that going?

    I haven't got a lot competitive BGs with it yet and i still need to find my marks with it, but so far it seems to work at providing a reasonable amount of both AoE and single-target burst. I'll try to give a bit more feedback in a few days.

    Update : build works, takes a bit of time to find the balance but you need to focus mostly on Azureblight and use Draugrkin more like an execute or for the occasional 1v1 encounter versus a squishy target.



    Here's the build : https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=225574
    Monster set slot has a few viable contenders (Kragh, Grothdarr, Sellistrix, ...)
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  • Solariken
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    I'm using this 7 medium 2h/bow setup, damage is high enough and sustain is excellent:

    5x Shacklebreaker
    5x Prisoner's Rags (backbar) w/ 3x infused WD jewels
    1x Domihaus
    1x Bloodspawn or Stonekeeper
    1x vBRP 2h
  • Neoauspex
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    Aznox wrote: »
    Aznox wrote: »
    mav1234 wrote: »

    draugrkin+azureblight? :open_mouth:

    how is that going?

    I haven't got a lot competitive BGs with it yet and i still need to find my marks with it, but so far it seems to work at providing a reasonable amount of both AoE and single-target burst. I'll try to give a bit more feedback in a few days.

    Update : build works, takes a bit of time to find the balance but you need to focus mostly on Azureblight and use Draugrkin more like an execute or for the occasional 1v1 encounter versus a squishy target.



    Here's the build : https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=225574
    Monster set slot has a few viable contenders (Kragh, Grothdarr, Sellistrix, ...)

    The other morph of mist form tics every half second too FYI
  • Aznox
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    Yeah that could be interesting but the cost is really high (both from the ability and the disabled regen) and the radius quite small at 5 meters. This char is a wolf for life anyway :)
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  • Alucardo
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    Mostly in no CP these days, so I run with Bloodspawn, Battlefield Acrobat, and Spriggan. It's a nice balance of mitigation, damage and sustain. The 6% reduction in abilities from Acrobat paired with Imperial and Sorc means dawnbreaker only costs 98, and everything else is pretty cheap (3% imperial, 5% sorc, 6% acrobat). Means I can stay in the fight longer without running away after pushing 2 buttons to recuperate.
  • MurderMostFoul
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    Mostly in no CP these days, so I run with Bloodspawn, Battlefield Acrobat, and Spriggan. It's a nice balance of mitigation, damage and sustain. The 6% reduction in abilities from Acrobat paired with Imperial and Sorc means dawnbreaker only costs 98, and everything else is pretty cheap (3% imperial, 5% sorc, 6% acrobat). Means I can stay in the fight longer without running away after pushing 2 buttons to recuperate.

    I used to run Battlefield Acrobat on my Stamsorc in BGs. The two lines of stam regen let you run tri-stat food (Sugar Skulls). I ran Onslaught+Redguard, so the Ultimate was really cheapo there too.

    I loved it. The cheap Ult, the huge max stats, and being able to streak and dark deal all day. The only reason I moved away from Battlefield Acrobat is that I eventually found myself wanting more damage. But I do miss how much Battlefield Acrobat opened things up.
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  • mav1234
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    Maulkin wrote: »
    According to CMX, there is no burning status effect damage. I am guessing that's just chance.

    Because with all of these ongoing sources of weapon damage and the frequent fire damage procs, I'm thinking there could be some interesting Synergy with Stam DK, as it would get a good amount of Magicka recovery due to applying burning so often.

    It is just chance. I did a 3m dummy parse and the 3 fire sets proc'ed a Burning DoT that ticked 38 times in 2m 38 secs. I can't recall if it's 3 ticks per DoT or 2. But that's quite good uptime in my book.

    tvr6ZWB.png

    Also, may I say, that's quite a respectable dps parse for a completely unbuffed pvp build with impen traits, wrong CP allocation and regen on jewellery and mundus :joy:

    It would offer some good extra sustain on StamDK, but staying alive would an issue with such a build. I can Streak out of trouble, Dark Deal and reset the fight as stamsorc. StamDK has no such option, you're in it till the end.

    Hey Maulkin, thanks for all the testing. Out of curiosity, do you have the top half of that damage breakdown? Curious on damage output of the sets / procs you're using relative to one another over such a long test period.
  • Tolino
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    Has anyone tried Doylemish since the (small)buff?
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  • Sanguinor2
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    Tolino wrote: »
    Has anyone tried Doylemish since the (small)buff?

    I only tried it out in duels shortly after it released. I found it very hard to actually get it to land since my duel Partner broke free too soon when he actually tried. Maybe it works better with the Performance as it is now >:) .
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  • oxygen_thief
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    Aznox wrote: »
    Aznox wrote: »
    mav1234 wrote: »

    draugrkin+azureblight? :open_mouth:

    how is that going?

    I haven't got a lot competitive BGs with it yet and i still need to find my marks with it, but so far it seems to work at providing a reasonable amount of both AoE and single-target burst. I'll try to give a bit more feedback in a few days.

    Update : build works, takes a bit of time to find the balance but you need to focus mostly on Azureblight and use Draugrkin more like an execute or for the occasional 1v1 encounter versus a squishy target.



    Here's the build : https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=225574
    Monster set slot has a few viable contenders (Kragh, Grothdarr, Sellistrix, ...)

    arghhh its pure cancer
  • universal_wrath
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    If you want a fun build:

    5 new moon/deadly, body
    5 Draugerkin, jewlery and weapons front bar daul wield. axe nirned and mace sharpend, double dot poisons or any poisons with simialr effect. Immoblization poisons increase dmg of dual wield skills by 15%.
    2 monster set to your liking, most effective is kragh
    2 brp daul wield back bar. Sword powered/defending physical/poison enchant and dagger precise/charged disease enchant.


    Only use flurry.

    If you want even more dmg, you can drop kragh and have draugrkin on jewelry, head and shoulder and use master dual wields on front bar.
    Edited by universal_wrath on April 12, 2020 4:24PM
  • TBois
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    A lot to chew on in this thread. Something I don't think has been mentioned that might be fun to explore is that Overload provides sorc with some unique burst potential. It can be used on stam sorc, but it can be difficult to work with. Currently in noCP I run this setup with Bloodspawn (or Troll King), Essence Theif (sometimes still Seventh Legion), Briarheart, vMA Frost Staff (or Masters Bow).

    https://youtu.be/x91xiFFnMEQ
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    Bosquecito (Stam Sorc) - DC
    Peti-T-Bois (Stamden) - AD
  • oxygen_thief
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    Only use flurry.

    i have a feeling that lately gameplay was dumbed down. one half of stamina players spams dizzy and other half spams flurry.
  • fbours
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    If you want a fun build:

    5 new moon/deadly, body
    5 Draugerkin, jewlery and weapons front bar daul wield. axe nirned and mace sharpend, double dot poisons or any poisons with simialr effect. Immoblization poisons increase dmg of dual wield skills by 15%.
    2 monster set to your liking, most effective is kragh
    2 brp daul wield back bar. Sword powered/defending physical/poison enchant and dagger precise/charged disease enchant.


    Only use flurry.

    If you want even more dmg, you can drop kragh and have draugrkin on jewelry, head and shoulder and use master dual wields on front bar.

    Has anyone tested draugrkin set in CP?
  • universal_wrath
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    fbours wrote: »
    If you want a fun build:

    5 new moon/deadly, body
    5 Draugerkin, jewlery and weapons front bar daul wield. axe nirned and mace sharpend, double dot poisons or any poisons with simialr effect. Immoblization poisons increase dmg of dual wield skills by 15%.
    2 monster set to your liking, most effective is kragh
    2 brp daul wield back bar. Sword powered/defending physical/poison enchant and dagger precise/charged disease enchant.


    Only use flurry.

    If you want even more dmg, you can drop kragh and have draugrkin on jewelry, head and shoulder and use master dual wields on front bar.

    Has anyone tested draugrkin set in CP?

    I wouldn't know, but this is a solid build for BG/no-CP
  • mav1234
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    fbours wrote: »
    If you want a fun build:

    5 new moon/deadly, body
    5 Draugerkin, jewlery and weapons front bar daul wield. axe nirned and mace sharpend, double dot poisons or any poisons with simialr effect. Immoblization poisons increase dmg of dual wield skills by 15%.
    2 monster set to your liking, most effective is kragh
    2 brp daul wield back bar. Sword powered/defending physical/poison enchant and dagger precise/charged disease enchant.


    Only use flurry.

    If you want even more dmg, you can drop kragh and have draugrkin on jewelry, head and shoulder and use master dual wields on front bar.

    Has anyone tested draugrkin set in CP?

    I ended up in a CP campaign to help a friend a few nights ago and I tried it. It didn't feel impactful, at least not against people built for PvP. Everything is so much more tanky in CP, I have trouble with any primarily burst-based build.

    Draugrkin isn't terrible in no cp cyro, and it definitely gibs a lot of people. Credit to Decimus for the build I have been primarily trying (see https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/522297/bladekin-stamina-sorcerer-dw-dw-build-harrowstorm)

    Ultimately, I prefer a 2h-style of play, so I've poked around with a few other builds. I tried Azureblight in no-cp cyrodil a few nights ago... It was fun, but hard to tell its effectiveness, save tht I really enjoyed leveraging negate in group fights. My search for the right stam sorc build for me continues, hah hah.
  • universal_wrath
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    mav1234 wrote: »
    fbours wrote: »
    If you want a fun build:

    5 new moon/deadly, body
    5 Draugerkin, jewlery and weapons front bar daul wield. axe nirned and mace sharpend, double dot poisons or any poisons with simialr effect. Immoblization poisons increase dmg of dual wield skills by 15%.
    2 monster set to your liking, most effective is kragh
    2 brp daul wield back bar. Sword powered/defending physical/poison enchant and dagger precise/charged disease enchant.


    Only use flurry.

    If you want even more dmg, you can drop kragh and have draugrkin on jewelry, head and shoulder and use master dual wields on front bar.

    Has anyone tested draugrkin set in CP?

    I ended up in a CP campaign to help a friend a few nights ago and I tried it. It didn't feel impactful, at least not against people built for PvP. Everything is so much more tanky in CP, I have trouble with any primarily burst-based build.

    Draugrkin isn't terrible in no cp cyro, and it definitely gibs a lot of people. Credit to Decimus for the build I have been primarily trying (see https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/522297/bladekin-stamina-sorcerer-dw-dw-build-harrowstorm)

    Ultimately, I prefer a 2h-style of play, so I've poked around with a few other builds. I tried Azureblight in no-cp cyrodil a few nights ago... It was fun, but hard to tell its effectiveness, save tht I really enjoyed leveraging negate in group fights. My search for the right stam sorc build for me continues, hah hah.

    New moon body and weapon maul, fury jewelry and body with any monster set and bar bar weapons.

    You can also use thief essance body, new moon front bar. I personaly use shackle, thief and master bow back var and asylum maul front bar it is very effective for me, but sometimes thief essence proc in inaccessable locations.
  • MaxJrFTW
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    What are you all planning to run next patch? Bloodspawn is dead, TTK is dead, Thurvokun is dead, BRP DW is pretty much dead unless you use it on the front bar because the proc won't work once you bar swap.

    I currently use TTK in CP, Bloodspawn in no cp, NMA, Briarheart, BRP dw or BRP bow if i'm in sweaty bgs.
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  • universal_wrath
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    MaxJrFTW wrote: »
    What are you all planning to run next patch? Bloodspawn is dead, TTK is dead, Thurvokun is dead, BRP DW is pretty much dead unless you use it on the front bar because the proc won't work once you bar swap.

    I currently use TTK in CP, Bloodspawn in no cp, NMA, Briarheart, BRP dw or BRP bow if i'm in sweaty bgs.

    To be honest, never used bloodspawn for the resistance, I only use it for the ulti, and resistance is only an extra to me. As of next patch you want to stack dmg reduction like protection and such and, and leave resistance since resistance it reduced for most part and their is already a set with 11+ penetration. Brp daul wield is interesting next patch as it gives you unnamed dmg reduction buff and dmg done at same time. At the end of the day, it is how you want to play. Hit and run is my style, so I usaualy run around with 16k resistance and occuasionly 22k with bloodspawn proc. I might swap bloodspawn for bolargh next patch, it looks joicy to me.
  • Brrrofski
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    So I tried to address the issue I always had with Stam sorc, which was healing.


    Troll king
    Briarheart
    New moon acolyte front bar only
    Master bow.

    I'm an orc, use bewitched sugar skulls, tri stat on all armor, all impen, nirn and sharp dual wield, infused bow robust jewellery with 2 regen, 1 weapon damage, serpent mundus, tri pots, double dot poisons from bar, weapon damage back bar.

    It plays so well in BGs. Really high weapon damage, great healing through powerful vigors (it's on my front bar), Briarheart and surge and all the health recovery. You have a big magical pool do streaking so line of sight is nice to recover. Sustain seems low, but we use sugar skulls and tri stats enchants for that big magical pool so a lot of dark deals.

    You could also play with a dw of course, but fully procced dawnbreakers followed by soon to win is wrecking groups, so I like it.

    Not sure what I'll run next patch. Troll king is being nerfed a bit, so will have to see.
  • mav1234
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    New moon body and weapon maul, fury jewelry and body with any monster set and bar bar weapons.

    You can also use thief essance body, new moon front bar. I personaly use shackle, thief and master bow back var and asylum maul front bar it is very effective for me, but sometimes thief essence proc in inaccessable locations.

    I've tried a lot of combinations of various meta builds. As I play only no-cp, I find fury/nma too taxing on sustain. I have tried shackle/nma and I liked that quite a bit, and I just got enough essence thief to give that a try. I may try your build and see how it goes, thanks.
  • universal_wrath
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    Brrrofski wrote: »
    So I tried to address the issue I always had with Stam sorc, which was healing.


    Troll king
    Briarheart
    New moon acolyte front bar only
    Master bow.

    I'm an orc, use bewitched sugar skulls, tri stat on all armor, all impen, nirn and sharp dual wield, infused bow robust jewellery with 2 regen, 1 weapon damage, serpent mundus, tri pots, double dot poisons from bar, weapon damage back bar.

    It plays so well in BGs. Really high weapon damage, great healing through powerful vigors (it's on my front bar), Briarheart and surge and all the health recovery. You have a big magical pool do streaking so line of sight is nice to recover. Sustain seems low, but we use sugar skulls and tri stats enchants for that big magical pool so a lot of dark deals.

    You could also play with a dw of course, but fully procced dawnbreakers followed by soon to win is wrecking groups, so I like it.

    Not sure what I'll run next patch. Troll king is being nerfed a bit, so will have to see.

    Something to think of is oginum scale set next patch is new troll king, so you might want to swap either new moon or briar heart and use it. I suggest swaping new moon for oginum scale. New bolargh mosnter set swapped for troll king, it should act somewhat similar to new moon will less drawbacks.


    Orgnum’s Scales: This set now increases your Health Recovery by 800 and Armor by 6400 while at or below 60% health, rather than increasing your Health Recovery by 50% while below 60% health.

    Balorg: This set now grants Weapon and Spell Damage equal to the amount of Ultimate spent, rather than double the amount spent. It now also grants Physical and Spell Penetration equal to 23 times the amount spent.
    Increased duration of bonuses to 12 seconds, up from 10.
    Edited by universal_wrath on April 29, 2020 4:27PM
  • MurderMostFoul
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    Brrrofski wrote: »
    So I tried to address the issue I always had with Stam sorc, which was healing.


    Troll king
    Briarheart
    New moon acolyte front bar only
    Master bow.

    I'm an orc, use bewitched sugar skulls, tri stat on all armor, all impen, nirn and sharp dual wield, infused bow robust jewellery with 2 regen, 1 weapon damage, serpent mundus, tri pots, double dot poisons from bar, weapon damage back bar.

    It plays so well in BGs. Really high weapon damage, great healing through powerful vigors (it's on my front bar), Briarheart and surge and all the health recovery. You have a big magical pool do streaking so line of sight is nice to recover. Sustain seems low, but we use sugar skulls and tri stats enchants for that big magical pool so a lot of dark deals.

    You could also play with a dw of course, but fully procced dawnbreakers followed by soon to win is wrecking groups, so I like it.

    Not sure what I'll run next patch. Troll king is being nerfed a bit, so will have to see.

    Something to think of is oginum scale set next patch is new troll king, so you might want to swap either new moon or briar heart and use it. I suggest swaping new moon for oginum scale. New bolargh mosnter set swapped for troll king, it should act somewhat similar to new moon will less drawbacks.


    Orgnum’s Scales: This set now increases your Health Recovery by 800 and Armor by 6400 while at or below 60% health, rather than increasing your Health Recovery by 50% while below 60% health.

    Balorg: This set now grants Weapon and Spell Damage equal to the amount of Ultimate spent, rather than double the amount spent. It now also grants Physical and Spell Penetration equal to 23 times the amount spent.
    Increased duration of bonuses to 12 seconds, up from 10.

    RE: Orgnum’s Scales

    I don't realy care for sets that do nothing for you at 100% health. On a bursty/mobile class like Stamsorc, I want to be at maximum effectiveness when entering a fight at 100% hp. If you are looking at Orgnum’s Scales, I'd say consider Ancient Dragonguard instead.
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  • universal_wrath
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    Brrrofski wrote: »
    So I tried to address the issue I always had with Stam sorc, which was healing.


    Troll king
    Briarheart
    New moon acolyte front bar only
    Master bow.

    I'm an orc, use bewitched sugar skulls, tri stat on all armor, all impen, nirn and sharp dual wield, infused bow robust jewellery with 2 regen, 1 weapon damage, serpent mundus, tri pots, double dot poisons from bar, weapon damage back bar.

    It plays so well in BGs. Really high weapon damage, great healing through powerful vigors (it's on my front bar), Briarheart and surge and all the health recovery. You have a big magical pool do streaking so line of sight is nice to recover. Sustain seems low, but we use sugar skulls and tri stats enchants for that big magical pool so a lot of dark deals.

    You could also play with a dw of course, but fully procced dawnbreakers followed by soon to win is wrecking groups, so I like it.

    Not sure what I'll run next patch. Troll king is being nerfed a bit, so will have to see.

    Something to think of is oginum scale set next patch is new troll king, so you might want to swap either new moon or briar heart and use it. I suggest swaping new moon for oginum scale. New bolargh mosnter set swapped for troll king, it should act somewhat similar to new moon will less drawbacks.


    Orgnum’s Scales: This set now increases your Health Recovery by 800 and Armor by 6400 while at or below 60% health, rather than increasing your Health Recovery by 50% while below 60% health.

    Balorg: This set now grants Weapon and Spell Damage equal to the amount of Ultimate spent, rather than double the amount spent. It now also grants Physical and Spell Penetration equal to 23 times the amount spent.
    Increased duration of bonuses to 12 seconds, up from 10.

    RE: Orgnum’s Scales

    I don't realy care for sets that do nothing for you at 100% health. On a bursty/mobile class like Stamsorc, I want to be at maximum effectiveness when entering a fight at 100% hp. If you are looking at Orgnum’s Scales, I'd say consider Ancient Dragonguard instead.

    It's an option since @Brrrofski seemed worried about what to use instead of troll king. If you want combat effectiveness at 100% hp, you can use new stuant set for maximum panetaration or good old spriggon/new moon/fury. Ancient dragon gaurd is nice but somewhat lacking as offensive or defensive set
  • MurderMostFoul
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    Ancient dragon gaurd is nice but somewhat lacking as offensive or defensive set

    Agreed,

    That's why I always pair it with another offensive set. If you are looking for a bursty, hit and run play style (which is where stam toons shine in BGs), there is no reason to commit a whole 5-piece set to defense. Ancient Dragonguard steps in nicely here. You pair with with an offensive set, and get a lot of offensive power at +50% hp, but when you get low on health and its time to disengage, the armor bonus kicks in as you are getting away. It pairs extremely well with Stamsorc's speed and Streak.

    “There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”
  • Brrrofski
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    Brrrofski wrote: »
    So I tried to address the issue I always had with Stam sorc, which was healing.


    Troll king
    Briarheart
    New moon acolyte front bar only
    Master bow.

    I'm an orc, use bewitched sugar skulls, tri stat on all armor, all impen, nirn and sharp dual wield, infused bow robust jewellery with 2 regen, 1 weapon damage, serpent mundus, tri pots, double dot poisons from bar, weapon damage back bar.

    It plays so well in BGs. Really high weapon damage, great healing through powerful vigors (it's on my front bar), Briarheart and surge and all the health recovery. You have a big magical pool do streaking so line of sight is nice to recover. Sustain seems low, but we use sugar skulls and tri stats enchants for that big magical pool so a lot of dark deals.

    You could also play with a dw of course, but fully procced dawnbreakers followed by soon to win is wrecking groups, so I like it.

    Not sure what I'll run next patch. Troll king is being nerfed a bit, so will have to see.

    Something to think of is oginum scale set next patch is new troll king, so you might want to swap either new moon or briar heart and use it. I suggest swaping new moon for oginum scale. New bolargh mosnter set swapped for troll king, it should act somewhat similar to new moon will less drawbacks.


    Orgnum’s Scales: This set now increases your Health Recovery by 800 and Armor by 6400 while at or below 60% health, rather than increasing your Health Recovery by 50% while below 60% health.

    Balorg: This set now grants Weapon and Spell Damage equal to the amount of Ultimate spent, rather than double the amount spent. It now also grants Physical and Spell Penetration equal to 23 times the amount spent.
    Increased duration of bonuses to 12 seconds, up from 10.

    Yeh, that's exactly what I was thinking of doing. I've actually run ogrum's before on a Stam sorc and it was ok. Next patch it seems much nicer
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