daemonor wrote: »

@Lughlongarm well i finally got the chance to test out your build and it felt pretty good. No sustain issues and plenty damage. Some mobility issues and I felt squishy outside of ult but that's usualy how you feel on every class in bgs that can't escape and the enemy team doesn't split up.

All the matches were swarming with magsorcs aswell and that didn't help the situation at all. Overall pretty solid.

Nice, thank you for checking it out. Did you had movement issues and felt squishy, even with BRP- quick cloak+ frost staff front bar? This combo was supposed to address this issue.

I've been testing this build, got a bit of mixed results so far, ofcourse needs some improvements.

Complete range MagDK-
2piece- Skoria
5piece- BTB
3piece- WP all SPD enchnat
Front bar- perfected Asylum destro
Back bar- POTATO resto

Skills-
Front- Degen/Soul trap/clench/crushing shock/FOO/leap
Back- RAT/Harness/Rapid regen/volatile/wings- Life giver

Idea was to use dots from regen and soul trap which also gives you maj Sorcery and sustain from soul trap I.e. 8k mag return on kills, and burning proc from asylum gives mag anyway. Clench for CC. Wings for return damage for ranged players and Foo for extra crit and some heals.

Tested in BG and NoCP. Works decently as long as you are in range, but problem is that it can get squishy at times but apart from that, damage was decent. Even had a flawless BG with this, well got lucky there with a decent team.

So food for thought.

In bgs I actually use a very simple setup but you’ll still have damage and strong heals.

It’s akaviri dragon guard, transmutation (yes) and bloodspawn. Heavy on my body, snb front bar and resto back bar.

It offers mitigation; at 32-33k resistance without bloodspawn proc, there’s damage, off healing is really strong, can control with talons and leap and of course there’s utility. Sustain is somewhat “low” but low sustain is normal for me + DK makes it easier since my leap will be up quick.

A few recent matches:

https://imgur.com/a/6rSEpgF

Ok I actually had the pleasure of meeting a few mag dks with your exact build @Lughlongarm and it was absoloutely disguisting. The fear CC is a mess just like fossilzie but aoe and it feels like you explode just by coming close to a mag dk with grothdar proc on. Granted I was a vampire and the DK's never split solo from their group, it was on par in pc out of the window type rage inducing with 2-3 zoosorc team.

So I did some playing around with Elf Bane for a while a couple days ago. I queued BG basically all day just trying out different stuff, some worked better than others, that's how it goes. I didn't bother trying out Elf Bane in Cyrodiil at all, but that's because Cyrodiil is completely unplayable right now.

I played around with some different sets and skill combinations. I cannot suggest running Elf Bane with anything except for Grothdarr as you monster helmet, and while some people above don't really care for it, it's pretty powerful. Grothdarr consistently, even in single target scenarios, does the most damage out of any single source you have. Obviously if you have CP this is a different scenario, but without CP Grothdarr ends up ticking for anywhere from 600-1000 damage depending on the target, and there's nothing your opponent can do about it other than to stay away. It's great because even when you need to spend time on healing or reapplying other buffs, Grothdarr is in the background there, still ticking away without requring any GCD on your part. The only issue is that if you want to make sure Grothdarr is always active, you have to double bar Elf Bane. This means no running something like Potentates on your backbar, which sucks. I have an inferno elf bane staff, but if you don't have that, it means wearing it on your body, and that is technically inferior because you will be running a 5L/2H setup and that's less stats. Also means possibly farming out a light set of Grothdarr if you didn't already have it: annoying.

You really need to find a way to fit Burning Talons on your bar if you're going to bother with Elf Bane. Burning Talons deals the damage amount of damage that Burning Embers or Engulfing Flames do, but in half the time. So in a single cast you've basically put 2 DOTs worth of pressure on your opponent, with a synergy (very rarely), and on every enemy around you. I personally found that dropping Burning Embers for Burning Talons worked best for me, simply because while the heal from Embers is nice, I could make up for that in other ways.

If you do decide to run Burning Talons, you really no longer need to run Fossilize, because the immobilize at the end of the skill is completely unnecessary, and it's actually more beneficial for you to be able to control when either of the effects get applied to your opponent. As a result I can highly recommend Shattering Rocks in conjunction with Burning Talons, as it also nets you a minor heal while allowing you to maintain pressure. Likewise, Power Lash is also a nice skill to run in this build, since you can proc it when your opponent is immobilized from Talons. While it's simple to dodge roll out of talons, I cannot tell you the number of times I hit someone with talons and then witness them attempt to break free because they expected a hard stun instead. There is something to be said about running Unrelenting Grip to pull an enemy to you and then immediately using Burning Talons as it does place a lot of pressure on your opponent instantly. Problem being you lose out on a stun with any appreciable duration.

When picking your ultimate I found that, while there are some options that take advantage of Elf Bane, it's really tough to justify anything but Ferocious Leap. This is especially true since we aren't running Bloodspawn and our ulti generation is lower than a typical magDK setup, and trust me, you will notice the reduced ulti gen. That said, with Magma Shell's duration with Elf Bane increases to 18 seconds, and that's just a ludicrous amount of time to be limiting burst damage. Every stamina build and several magicka builds (see mag sorc) all rely on big burst skills, and if you have this up for 18 seconds it's a basically a free pass to do literally whatever you want to them. Disrespectful imo. I had a lot of fun using Eye of the Storm as well. 12 seconds is a long time, and it tends to tick for nearly 2000 damage on average. Combine that with Grothdarr and you have a huge amount of unpurgable passive damage going out to everyone near you. Do not discount the ability to deal damage to everyone around you passively, as that puts other players on defense and gives your team the momentum it needs. I would suggest considering swapping out your ultimate based on your needs.

In terms of other sets to pair with Elf Bane it's really tough to use anything but a defensive set. I tried out spinners, BSW, elemental succession, overwhelming surge (meh), pariah, and buffer of the swift. All of the offensive sets were an absolute blast to use, until anyone looked in your direction. As soon as anyone started applying pressure, the build buckles. You could attempt to use snb on your backbar, but I didn't personally feel like snb on its own was enough to make up for how squishy the build was. I have not attempted to use protective on the jewelry in combination with a damage based 5-piece set. Looking at how much mitigation it offers compared to the gain in effective power however, I doubt it's worth the trouble.

I ended up preferring using Buffer of the Swift the most. While it lacked the damage that other builds had, it really wasn't that difficult to net kills at all. Further I had no issue with survivability. Ultimately, what the Elf Bane, Grothdarr, and Burning Talons offer you is the ability to place the equivalent of 3 DOTs on your opponent with only 1 GCD, even in the case of a Warden or a Templar purging it off, it takes you only 1 GCD to put all that pressure back up, and Grothdarr never goes away. Furthermore, stamina builds which rely upon dodging to mitigate damage just flat out fail against this build because almost all of it is AOE, so aside from Lava Whip and possibly entropy if you use it, there's literally nothing they can dodge. Technically I guess they can roll out of the range of Talons, but really they're just wasting stamina at that point.

Until Cyrodiil is less of a steaming mess I can't say how well Elf Bane works in a CP environment however.