[Suggestion] the "craft bag" should be a product of the shop!

kargen27 · April 2020

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Lots of ZOS minions here defending the craft bag sub. No wonder gaming is in the state it currently is.

Not so much defending as pointing out reality. Reality is the crafting bag was created to entice people to subscribe. There is no upside for ZoS to take that enticement away. Personally I would continue to subscribe even if the crafting bag were free for everyone. If I play more than two hours a month the price is a bargain compared to other forms of entertainment. Sure it is frustrating that part of the game isn't working well at all but enough is working to make it worth my time to play.

The crafting bag is simply a luxury item provided to those that subscribe. It was created for that purpose. We managed without it before and many manage without it now.

robertthebard · April 2020

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Lots of ZOS minions here defending the craft bag sub. No wonder gaming is in the state it currently is.

I disagree. There's a lot of "but I'm playing the game, so you owe me" going on. But let's look at one of the arguments:

"The game was better when it was sub only, so now that it's B2P, they should take away sub incentives to sell in the store". There's a word for that, but I can't quite put my finger on what that word is, but it's not "minion".

huntgod_ESO · April 2020

That little bag is my primary prompt for keeping my sub active rather than going f2p. So they'd need to charge a pretty exhorbitant price to keep people subbing rather than just buying the bag and playing free...understanding I own the majority of the DLC so don't really gain much aside from the crowns and of course that essential bag.

So if they sold it for 5-10k crowns, I'd buy it and likely let my sub lapse unless there was something DLC related I needed to do.

So if they moved it to the crown store, they'd need to come up with another compelling feature for many long term players who sub almost exclusively for the bag.

That said I would love to see it purchaseable and would love to see them add some additional features or perks to subscribing, like a free rename/race change token for every 3 months or something.

Mitrenga · April 2020

Despite paying 15k+ crowns at once, consider having ESO+ as a layaway for the bag. Perhaps you feel better this way.

Dusk_Coven · April 2020

Oliviander wrote: »

I would stop my sub immrdiately because if it wasn't for the crafting bag there are really no goodies left.

That is the REAL problem -- when a game subscription has nothing left to offer but pay-for-convenience.

In any case, instead of a Crafting Bag in the crown store, they'd probably make more income by selling stack multipliers (e.g. instead of stacking to 200, mats, can stack to 300... 400... 500...) in the crown store. Let people buy as many as they want. Or just sub every few months for the crafting bag.

rumple9 · April 2020

It's a dying game, time to unleash the bags

ZeroXFF · April 2020

Lysette wrote: »

And why would they want to make it easier for the non-subscriber - that is really funny to even read such a suggestion. The whole hassle with the inventory system is intentionally in the game, in order to raise the number of subscribers. The last ZOS would want to do is to give subscribers a reason to eventually unsubscribe by making the gap smaller.

This is like firemen setting fire to houses to make sure they have a job.

Nanfoodle · April 2020

Zeni needs to pay the bills someway. I get inventory management is no fun but if it keeps people subbing and Zeni has what they need to make more new content, I'm fine with it and I'm fine with paying a sub. You wanna play for free, you better expect there will be some inconveniences. And it's best for the game that it should be some big ones.

Nanfoodle · April 2020

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Lots of ZOS minions here defending the craft bag sub. No wonder gaming is in the state it currently is.

I have been playing MMOs for about 22 years. The state of games right now has more to do with people demanding everything for free and companies trying to find a way to make money with keeping a balance of free players and paying players to keep a balance of cash and a volume of players to keep the game active. I remember the good old days where a sub got you everything. It was simple and it worked.

blkjag · April 2020

WTB perfected craft bag

Bekkael · April 2020

I played ESO for free for a long time, and I didn't bother with crafting, so I was fine vendoring all the mats I could, and deleting the rest. I finally decided to try the sub so I could dye my costumes...since Fashion Scrolls Online is where it's really at lol. Once I started crafting I knew I could never go back to no craft bag, or I would have to completely give up crafting again, since I find constant inventory management annoying.

I think if you aren't a crafter, and you don't care about costumes or housing either, then you really can do without the sub. BUT...if you want and enjoy all the extras, then it makes sense to pay for all that gravy, and it makes sense for ZOS to keep charging for it.

eklhaftb16_ESO · April 2020

Well, they could be selling tokens to grant various lengths of crafting bag access time - kinda like BDO is selling "Kamasylve blessing" packs (it grants a substantial boost to storage and transport capacity - for those who aren't familiar). That would be a way to get at least some money from those of us who refuse to subscribe.

As someone who already owns all the DLCs, buys crowns for gold and isn't interested in store discounts or overgrown battle chess figures, I have zero incentive to subscribe right now. The bag alone simply isn't worth $15, and there's nothing else in it for me. However, I'd be entirely willing to spend $5-7 a month just for the bag access, without all the other fluff (especially if it was giftable).

But hey, ZOS has people for this kind of decisions... I'm sure if they see a viable business opportunity, they will eventually implement it.

Ri_Khan · April 2020

Nobody really need's the craftbag. Definitely a L2P issue.

Edit: Seriously, just stop hoarding already.

thissocalledflower · April 2020

Tandor wrote: »

This thread will go the same way as the others before it. Those who don't subscribe will feel that they should be able to get the crafting bag without subscribing, while those who have subscribed for several years in order to get the crafting bag will oppose it being available to those who choose not to subscribe.

That's not entirely true. I sub to the eso+ and i get the craft bag and i feel that there should be a basic craftbag for everyone. A bag that holds a maximum of 10 of every craft item so that people can do the dailies but not enough so that people cant hoard items and there is still an incentive to subbing. Please dont presume to speak for me. I am able to speak for myself after all.

majulook · April 2020

You can have 9 characters just make one or two mules and you have your basic craft bag each one can hold 200 items (all stacks of 200) each. A full upgraded Bank (non-ESO+) is 240 spaces this is also more than enough to do daily crafting.

I did exactly this for a couple years, then when they came out with the 3rd DLC (not chapters but DLC) I got ESO+ and all that it gets you. see --> https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/esoplus

ZOS earns lots of money from ESO+ subs, and the main draw is the Craft bag. They are not going to chance the loss of any of that revenue by making any sort of craft bag for purchase.

ESO+ is cheaper than going to a movie theater once a month. Its cheaper than a case of beer.

Don't want to pay for it every month. Then sub for one month and farm mats for that moth.

kargen27 · April 2020

Ri_Khan wrote: »

Nobody really need's the craftbag. Definitely a L2P issue.

Edit: Seriously, just stop hoarding already.

And this brings us to the real problem. Even if they had the crafting bag they would most likely still have inventory issues. I have the bag, 15 characters all the chests fully maxed bank and a 2nd account that is nothing but mules and another maxed out bank. I'm out of space. If they gave me more I would fill it and have the same problem again. We hoarders will never have enough. Our end game is trying to decide which ring to finally deconstruct so we can keep a helmet.

Recent · April 2020

Zos employees need to get paid, it's a job. Also, some of the money from subs and or the crown shop is allocated towards creating more content, promotions, travel expenses and events aswell as merch etc.

I always sub to games I like because I dont expect the devs to work for free.

This is entirely my own personal opinion and in no way intended to upset anyone.

If many players dont sub but buy things from crown store sporadically it's not really a steady flow of income for zos imo anyway.

Im hoping I get a free perfected vma weapon for saying this ...JOKES 😆😆😆😅😅😅😅😂😂😂

barney2525 · April 2020

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

A compromise might be to let mats and identical armor/glyphs stack beyond the measly 100 or 200 that they currently do for everyone, and not just crafting bag.

Huh?

My mats stack into the thousands. Its only when they get pulled Out of the bag that they come out 200 at a time.

So, it seems to me that if they only stack to 200 in a regular bag, that's another reason the subscription is good.

Which means there's another reason Zos would not change anything.

IMHO

Alucardo · April 2020

Craft bag is the only thing that keeps me subscribed. I imagine if they sold it as a one time thing they would lose A LOT of money, then we'd see more disgusting things happening with crates. Not sure I agree with that tbh.

Lysette · April 2020

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

And why would they want to make it easier for the non-subscriber - that is really funny to even read such a suggestion. The whole hassle with the inventory system is intentionally in the game, in order to raise the number of subscribers. The last ZOS would want to do is to give subscribers a reason to eventually unsubscribe by making the gap smaller.

There is no intentional hassle with the system. This game is an MMO, they naturally have tons of crafting materials

lol, do you seriously believe what you just said?

Lysette · April 2020

rumple9 wrote: »

It's a dying game, time to unleash the bags

I just wonder how many of the forum moderators just facepalm reading this - at a time where the game has more new players than ever before and most of them are most likely not especially interested in pvp, so for them the game has just some minor issues - like long loading screens - and is far from being a dying game.

Lysette · April 2020

ZeroXFF wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

And why would they want to make it easier for the non-subscriber - that is really funny to even read such a suggestion. The whole hassle with the inventory system is intentionally in the game, in order to raise the number of subscribers. The last ZOS would want to do is to give subscribers a reason to eventually unsubscribe by making the gap smaller.

This is like firemen setting fire to houses to make sure they have a job.

Yes, but that is the simple truth to this - create a problem and make it just annoying enough and then sell the solution to it and call it convenient.

Alucardo · April 2020

Lysette wrote: »

rumple9 wrote: »

It's a dying game, time to unleash the bags

I just wonder how many of the forum moderators just facepalm reading this - at a time where the game has more new players than ever before and most of them are most likely not especially interested in pvp, so for them the game has just some minor issues - like long loading screens - and is far from being a dying game.

Just on Steam alone, it has received over an 84% gain in players within the past 30 days. I will never understand how people can claim one of the most popular MMOs is a "dead game". I'm not being biased either, because ESO annoys the hell out of me. We have a love/hate relationship.

FlopsyPrince · April 2020

Relatively few would pay $100-200 and we would end up with lots of threads saying "its too expensive!"

And enough people were month-to-month on Tivo when that paid for itself with a lifetime sub in a relatively short time (if you continued to use it, which was likely), so that is an example where people will pay more for something if the jump in cost to own it is enough.

Banana · April 2020

Us subscriber's should be given a better connection to the server to

Lysette · April 2020

Oh my - it is less than 40 cents/day - too expensive, seriously?

thorwyn · April 2020

Lots of ZOS minions here defending the craft bag sub. No wonder gaming is in the state it currently is.

Gaming was in a much better state when you had to pay for everyting.
Nowadays the market is flooded by an army of scroungers who seem to think that everything after the initial $9,99 should be available for free at any time and with full 24/7 support and service.

Chicharron · April 2020

Three months ago I stopped paying ESO+ and although it is a bit tedious to manage the inventory over time one gets used to it.

I was ESO+ when the craft bag did not exist.

The craft bag alone is no longer motivating enough for me to pay $15 for ESO+.

I am willing to pay half price just for the craftbag.

preevious · April 2020

Post already made a thousand times, the reason why it'll never happens have also been developped a thousand times.

Ultimately, it boils down to :

Eso gets most of it's revenue thanks the subbed craft bag. It would be game suicide to sell it via crown store.
The only way would be selling it at a price equivalent to the mean duration of a player sub. It would be ludicrously high, no one would buy it, and everyone would complain endlessly about "greedy greedy".

Is it fair? Not my problem, I don't care.
Is it now necessary for the game to keep lasting? Yes, it is.

It's absolutely and utterly impossible.

Ashtaris · April 2020

Wow, this is a subject line that has NEVER been brought up before! But to answer your question, probably the #1 main reason that most people subscribe is because of the craft bag. Sure, getting the crowns, DLC, XP, and other perks are nice, but the extreme frustration in needing to juggle all that inventory if we didn’t have the subscription is what really keeps us sending in our $$ every month. ZOS knows that, and would never give it up. They depend on the steady stream of income. So if you want the bag, suck it up and pay the subscription fees, or do without. Your choice.