[Suggestion] the "craft bag" should be a product of the shop!

Khatou · April 2020

Hello, I think the craft bag should be a purchase available in the shop, I still think that the idea of the craft bag is more of a demotivating than a motivating factor at TESO, because it amputates players and those who don't want to be kept on a leash on TESO by a subscription.

I think that players without a subscription should be given more respect than that, it would make them want to play TESO much more, as well as make it more expensive than all the products available in the store. Crowns and DLCs should remain the only reason to buy a subscription.

edit : and by idea of replacement, why not add a certain number of crown boxes between 1 and 5?

Tandor · April 2020

This thread will go the same way as the others before it. Those who don't subscribe will feel that they should be able to get the crafting bag without subscribing, while those who have subscribed for several years in order to get the crafting bag will oppose it being available to those who choose not to subscribe.

Elsonso · April 2020

Tandor wrote: »

This thread will go the same way as the others before it. Those who don't subscribe will feel that they should be able to get the crafting bag without subscribing, while those who have subscribed for several years in order to get the crafting bag will oppose it being available to those who choose not to subscribe.

Yup.

It is so unlikely that ZOS will do this that we might as well beg for T.I.E. Fighter mounts. That is more likely.

PizzaCat82 · April 2020

A compromise might be to let mats and identical armor/glyphs stack beyond the measly 100 or 200 that they currently do for everyone, and not just crafting bag.

kargen27 · April 2020

The cost would have to be astronomical for this to make financial sense for ZoS. We know there is a decent percentage of players that keep their subscriptions up just for the crafting bag. That is a steady stream of revenue. If the crafting bag were ever put in the crown store I would expect the price to be at least as much as a years subscription.

Dragonnord · April 2020

It's OK the way it is. It's fair that ZOS receives subs and $ because of the bag. Otherwise, subs would be probably 0%.

Hippie4927 · April 2020

No!

Everest_Lionheart · April 2020

Dragonnord wrote: »

It's OK the way it is. It's fair that ZOS receives subs and $ because of the bag. Otherwise, subs would be probably 0%.

I subbed for DLC and craft bag. If they separated the craft bag out and sold it separately I would probably buy it and still sub for the DLC and crowns. Of course I would expect the sub price to be less or a few more crowns for the current price nothing major something like $1-2 less or 100-200 more crown per month.

AcadianPaladin · April 2020

It all seems fair to me. If you like the game and enjoy playing it regularly, buy a darn subscription. If you play the game sporadically or bounce among many games, then don't fret the craftibag and perks.

Lysette · April 2020

It's not going to happen.

Twilanthe · April 2020

I have always felt that ESO's subscription model was an elegant system between B2P and P2P models. It gives perks to subscribers that are enough to entice them to subscribe, while not being so extremely good that people who don't subscribe feel restricted in what they can do. A non-subscriber isn't held back from being able to do the same content as a subscriber.

The crafting bag is part of that. It's an inconvenience, and a large one, to be limited on bag space for the billion crafting mats in the game, but that's it, just an inconvenience. An unlimited crafting bag is a luxury that most MMOs don't have, but it only saves me from the hassle of having to make banking alts like I do in other MMOs.

A compromise might be to put in the crown store an upgrade to increase the stack size of identical items. Not an increase enough to render the unlimited bag useless, but enough to make things slightly easier for the non-subscriber.

Lysette · April 2020

And why would they want to make it easier for the non-subscriber - that is really funny to even read such a suggestion. The whole hassle with the inventory system is intentionally in the game, in order to raise the number of subscribers. The last ZOS would want to do is to give subscribers a reason to eventually unsubscribe by making the gap smaller.

Nestor · April 2020

You want the Crafting Bag, Subscribe.

idk · April 2020

Making the crafting bag an exclusive to ESO+ was probably one of the best decisions the business people at Zos made. It is one of the top reasons many players subscribe. Subscriptions are the most reliable means of revenue for Zos. That is why Zos adds those perks which OP seems to not understand.

So OP can say that they are of the opinion that it is a demotivator for those who do not want to pay for a subscription but I doubt OP has the actual information on how much that crafting bag has motivated players.

Oddly, thread like this just reinforces that business decision Zos made. OP is literally telling Zos they made an amazing business decision.

EvilAutoTech · April 2020

idk wrote: »

Making the crafting bag an exclusive to ESO+ was probably one of the best decisions the business people at Zos made. It is one of the top reasons many players subscribe. Subscriptions are the most reliable means of revenue for Zos. That is why Zos adds those perks which OP seems to not understand.

So OP can say that they are of the opinion that it is a demotivator for those who do not want to pay for a subscription but I doubt OP has the actual information on how much that crafting bag has motivated players.

Oddly, thread like this just reinforces that business decision Zos made. OP is literally telling Zos they made an amazing business decision.

I agree with your awesomely insightful post. Too bad I had to choose one.

Khatou · April 2020

Tandor wrote: »

This thread will go the same way as the others before it. Those who don't subscribe will feel that they should be able to get the crafting bag without subscribing, while those who have subscribed for several years in order to get the crafting bag will oppose it being available to those who choose not to subscribe.

ok, but for those who have bought collector's editions and those who used to be reserved for this one is now/sometimes accessible in shops, we're talking about it?

I think it's completely idiotic to oppose this idea out of pure selfishness, because X has been paying a subscription for x amount of time, when nobody forces you to do it.

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

It all seems fair to me. If you like the game and enjoy playing it regularly, buy a darn subscription. If you play the game sporadically or bounce among many games, then don't fret the craftibag and perks.

The problem is that I don't enjoy the game as much anymore because of all the problems it can have and this company doesn't do anything about it and even the current plan doesn't change any more and a big part of the players feel the opposite effect more than the expected effect.

It's because of this that I decided to stop subscribing to this game and it's also because of this that we can end up understanding non-subscribed players, contrary to people blinded by the comfort of their subscription!!!!

xaraan · April 2020

Not sure why someone would not buy the sub if they played enough for it to actually be a problem. We made inventory work for years before the craft bag existed, so I know it can be done even if you don't want to sub. And if you are willing to buy it from crown store, then you could just sub, even if you just wanted to sub every other month and shunt everything into the bag during those times and deal with the inventory in between. Technically we all start the game with free storage by way of the bank, the craftbag just offers an additional way to expand that storage.

Khatou · April 2020

xaraan wrote: »

Not sure why someone would not buy the sub if they played enough for it to actually be a problem. We made inventory work for years before the craft bag existed, so I know it can be done even if you don't want to sub. And if you are willing to buy it from crown store, then you could just sub, even if you just wanted to sub every other month and shunt everything into the bag during those times and deal with the inventory in between. Technically we all start the game with free storage by way of the bank, the craftbag just offers an additional way to expand that storage.

except that the problem is that the basic bank/person storage fills up very quickly with other things especially when it's a set story that takes up space very very quickly !!!

Of course you're not going to have fun breaking sets sometimes transmute, gold, long farm, because of various baubles supposed to be stored in a bag. As for making x personal number to store or after a while, it's a real management hassle !!!

Lysette · April 2020

Khatou wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Not sure why someone would not buy the sub if they played enough for it to actually be a problem. We made inventory work for years before the craft bag existed, so I know it can be done even if you don't want to sub. And if you are willing to buy it from crown store, then you could just sub, even if you just wanted to sub every other month and shunt everything into the bag during those times and deal with the inventory in between. Technically we all start the game with free storage by way of the bank, the craftbag just offers an additional way to expand that storage.

except that the problem is that the basic bank/person storage fills up very quickly with other things especially when it's a set story that takes up space very very quickly !!!

Of course you're not going to have fun breaking sets sometimes transmute, gold, long farm, because of various baubles supposed to be stored in a bag. As for making x personal number to store or after a while, it's a real management hassle !!!

Yeah of course it is - and daily rewards and what not is adding to it - and this is all there in order to make you buy a subscription and keep at it. so nothing will be made easier for those unwilling to buy a subscription.

MasterSpatula · April 2020

Alternate suggestion: There shouldn't be a shop. The game should be sub-only, and everything you can acquire can be attained through in-game activity.

VaranisArano · April 2020

Every time someone asks "why can't we buy the craft bag without subscribing" the accounting department has to buy marketing a beer.

Crafting Bag = most valuable incentive to subscribe. ZOS ain't gonna change that.

ArchangelIsraphel · April 2020

Manufacturing an artificial problem and selling players the solution is pretty much an MMORPG staple, and what most subscriptions are based on. Unfortunately this is not going to change, however I have to hand it to ZOS with this particular sub being the most value for the money. Most subs to MMO's do not include premium currency along with the perks that make the game more playable. While I don't object to the intent of your idea, I also don't agree with it, since the game is being supported by these subs and the craft bag is the biggest incentive to do so.

Rave the Histborn · April 2020

Lysette wrote: »

And why would they want to make it easier for the non-subscriber - that is really funny to even read such a suggestion. The whole hassle with the inventory system is intentionally in the game, in order to raise the number of subscribers. The last ZOS would want to do is to give subscribers a reason to eventually unsubscribe by making the gap smaller.

There is no intentional hassle with the system. This game is an MMO, they naturally have tons of crafting materials

Kiralyn2000 · April 2020

One can manage just fine without the crafting bag ("without" meaning - only adding saved up materials to the craft bag whenever a "free ESO+ trial" happens).

What one can't do is manage without the crafting bag AND be a hoarder who "just has to" save multiple extra sets of gear.

....well, you probably could, you'd just need to have a couple more mules.

Tandor · April 2020

Khatou wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

This thread will go the same way as the others before it. Those who don't subscribe will feel that they should be able to get the crafting bag without subscribing, while those who have subscribed for several years in order to get the crafting bag will oppose it being available to those who choose not to subscribe.

ok, but for those who have bought collector's editions and those who used to be reserved for this one is now/sometimes accessible in shops, we're talking about it?

I think it's completely idiotic to oppose this idea out of pure selfishness, because X has been paying a subscription for x amount of time, when nobody forces you to do it.

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

It all seems fair to me. If you like the game and enjoy playing it regularly, buy a darn subscription. If you play the game sporadically or bounce among many games, then don't fret the craftibag and perks.

The problem is that I don't enjoy the game as much anymore because of all the problems it can have and this company doesn't do anything about it and even the current plan doesn't change any more and a big part of the players feel the opposite effect more than the expected effect.

It's because of this that I decided to stop subscribing to this game and it's also because of this that we can end up understanding non-subscribed players, contrary to people blinded by the comfort of their subscription!!!!

There's nothing selfish about wanting something that was always stated to be exclusive to subscribers being kept exclusive to subscribers. It's certainly no more selfish than someone coming along and saying that because they're not enjoying the game so much any more they should be entitled to things they haven't paid for.

That was in reply to the second paragraph of your reply, I've no idea what the first paragraph means. Similarly, I've no idea what the current performance issues and their impact on your enjoyment of the game have to do with reversing the original decision that crafting bags would be for subscribers only.

Vicinia · April 2020

Lol yeah that isn't happening. It's the main reason to sub, they would be screwing themselves if they did. But hey if they do it, I'm here for it

I would like stacks to go to a 1000 though 🙂

Vicinia · April 2020

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

One can manage just fine without the crafting bag ("without" meaning - only adding saved up materials to the craft bag whenever a "free ESO+ trial" happens).

What one can't do is manage without the crafting bag AND be a hoarder who "just has to" save multiple extra sets of gear.

....well, you probably could, you'd just need to have a couple more mules.

You're right tbh. I bought 15k refined mats, clothing style gems, trait gems, runes etc. Have a guild for mat storage, and another for holding items for sale. Mule for anything extra. It can be done pretty easily.

Emma_Overload · April 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

Every time someone asks "why can't we buy the craft bag without subscribing" the accounting department has to buy marketing a beer.

Crafting Bag = most valuable incentive to subscribe. ZOS ain't gonna change that.

No. When the game launched, the most valuable incentive to subscribe was the fact that you HAD to subscribe to play ESO. Players begged ZOS not to make the game B2P or F2P, but they did it anyway. ZOS *decided* to make the game purchasable via DLC, not the players, so we shouldn't be blamed or scorned or punished for the bad consequences of that decision. Furthermore, ZOS enouraged players to purchase DLC for months before they announced the crafting bag. A lot of old timers conveniently forget that DLC was initially presented an equally valid way of buying FULL access to the game, aka "Tamriel Unlimited". When they introduced the crafting bag, ZOS *reneged* on their promise that DLC purchasers would have full access to the game (and they eventually stopped calling it "Unlimited", too, LOL.)

They could charge $100 or even $200 for the bag in the crown store, it would still be more fair to players than the way it is now. The biggest reason I resent paying the sub is not the cost, by the way - I was always fine with that - it is the fact that I am forced to subsidize bad new content. I would much rather retain the ability to send ZOS a message of approval or disapproval every time I purchase or don't purchase a specific DLC. I hate being forced to pay for the development of bad, boring DLC dungeons just so I can keep the crafting bag.

Oliviander · April 2020

I would stop my sub immrdiately because if it wasn't for the crafting bag there are really no goodies left.
As I have bought all the DLC's anyway and I will be ready with the trait research on all of my 18 chars
before the next sub renewal.

I would love it, but it would be a really bad desicion by ZOS

RefLiberty · April 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

Every time someone asks "why can't we buy the craft bag without subscribing" the accounting department has to buy marketing a beer.

Crafting Bag = most valuable incentive to subscribe. ZOS ain't gonna change that.

That is correct.
Why the should cancel the biggest ever feature of steady monthly income opposite to one time purchase.
It makes not sense what so ever.

clocksstoppe · April 2020

Lots of ZOS minions here defending the craft bag sub. No wonder gaming is in the state it currently is.