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Hybrid Set Maybe?
madman65
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Thinking of this setup and was needing opinions.
Twice-Born Star
LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160
(2 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(5 items) You can have two Mundus Stone boons at the same time.
New Moon Acolyte
LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160
(2 items) 833 Weapon and Spell Critical
(3 items) 129 Weapon and Spell Damage
(4 items) 1487 Physical and Spell Penetration
(5 items) Adds 481 Weapon and Spell Damage. Increase the cost of your active abilities by 5%.
Grundwulf Set
LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160
(1 item) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(1 item) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(2 item) Whenever you deal critical damage, restore 1000 Magicka or Stamina, whichever maximum is higher. You also gain 500 of the other resource. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds
Use the The Mage and The Tower for mundus on the Twice Born.
I`m thinking it would go with my Dragon Knight,
Twice-Born Star
LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160
(2 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(5 items) You can have two Mundus Stone boons at the same time.
New Moon Acolyte
LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160
(2 items) 833 Weapon and Spell Critical
(3 items) 129 Weapon and Spell Damage
(4 items) 1487 Physical and Spell Penetration
(5 items) Adds 481 Weapon and Spell Damage. Increase the cost of your active abilities by 5%.
Grundwulf Set
LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160
(1 item) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(1 item) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(2 item) Whenever you deal critical damage, restore 1000 Magicka or Stamina, whichever maximum is higher. You also gain 500 of the other resource. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds
Use the The Mage and The Tower for mundus on the Twice Born.
I`m thinking it would go with my Dragon Knight,
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Stx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Compare twice born star set to the trainee set... if you are planning on using mundus stones for max resources.. trainee will provide you with a lot more.
I wouldnt recommend running the mage or the tower on a hybrid build. The lover stone provides both physical and spell penetration and will increase your damage much more than max resources.4 -
madman65✭✭✭✭Good to know, I looked at the Trainee set and it didn`t occur to me about the 5th item. Would it be good for the DK? Thanks.0
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Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You can also try Shacklebreaker set, instead of Twice-Born Star set:
https://eso-sets.com/set/shacklebreaker
Set bonus
(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery, Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(5 items) Adds 2000 Maximum Stamina, Adds 2000 Maximum Magicka
Also, next patch we will have 2 new jewellery glyphs - prismatic recovery and prismatic cost reduction, that will work similar to Glyph of Prismatic Defence or Triune jewellery trait, but will give tri-stat recovery or cost reduction.
I was even thinking to pair it with invigorating trait next patch. ( I am using hybrid build too).
That way, you could use Molag Kena set instead of Grundwulf set (Unfortunately, Grundwulf is getting a nerf next patch
) , while Molag Kena is getting a slight buff. 1 -
madman65✭✭✭✭I don`t know about Molag Kena, that abilities cost with New Moon Acolyte would cost to much.
Molag Kena
(1 items) Adds 129 Weapon and Spell Damage
(2 items) When you deal damage with 2 consecutive Light Attacks you trigger Overkill for 6 seconds, which increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 516 but also increases the cost of your abilities by 8%.
After the new patch, Molag Kena: Increased the Weapon and Spell Damage granted from this set to 560, up from 516.
Good point though.0 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭In my experience hybrid setups don’t work very well. If you do want to try a hybrid with TBS, you’d be better off going with a combination of Lover and Shadow IMO, since these are the 2 most powerful Mundus stones and each one buffs both your stamina and magicka skills. Some would say the Thief, but I don’t believe it gives enough crit in this case. Instead you can gain both Weapon and Spell Crit by using Mechanical Acuity.
You also bring up New Moon Acolyte, which does have higher stat density than TBS. However it increases skill costs, including ults, and does not give much penetration, so you would likely need Sharpened Weapons (at least on front bar, assuming you use the Shadow as your only Mundus). NMA can also be combined with Acuity to get both types of crit easily.
Look for every opportunity at a bonus that increases both damage types. Things like Bloodthirsty jewelry instead of Arcane or Robust, Prismatic Armor enchants (tri-stat), or certain foods (Bewitched Sugar Skulls or Jagga Drenched Mudball).
You probably won’t need Grundwulf, since hybrid has the one advantage of using both resource pools, and draining neither quickly. I’m not sure which weapon types you’re planning, but maybe try mixing arena weapons in ways that aren’t possible for most builds (Maelstrom Bow and Maelstrom Inferno?).
Have fun with whatever you decide, just don’t expect it to compete with any DPS builds that commit to either stamina or Magicka.1 -
Raudgrani✭✭✭✭✭
✭What exactly would you be doing as a hyrbid? I'm not opposed to the idea, I just can't think of what class/playstyle I would want to try it out on. Like what weapons/abilities would you like to use, that a dedicated stamina or magicka build can't benefit from already?
It's been like some philosoper's stone people have been chasing forever, but to what avail?1 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭As above, a pure max resource build will always out perform a hybrid. Its fun to experiment and play around to explore your options though, and there are a good few interesting options. Most potential hybrid sets are underwhelming and you drop too many single spec buffs and stats, which means you end up looking into some strange areas to gain them.1 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Disclaimer: I haven't touched hybrids or the game in a serious manner for a while.
If your build can easily proc Mountains Blessing I'd go for old school Pelinal's. You can get minor brutality (10%) + major brutality (20%) + medium armor passives (+15%). Add weapon dmg glyphs on infused jewels.
Bonus points for being a dunmer for the stats.
For the monster set I wouldn't care too much about a stat increase but rather a fitting proc set, as it doesn't scale with general stats. Or some arena weapons like WrahtOfInnos said.1 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭What exactly would you be doing as a hyrbid? I'm not opposed to the idea, I just can't think of what class/playstyle I would want to try it out on. Like what weapons/abilities would you like to use, that a dedicated stamina or magicka build can't benefit from already?
It's been like some philosoper's stone people have been chasing forever, but to what avail?
Many people do it for the fun of it. Or to not fall into FotM chasing. But mostly for the fun. I've played a hybrid sorc a lot in the past and it was so statisfying to blow people up with curse, dizzy, fury, DB. Good old times.1 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Compare twice born star set to the trainee set... if you are planning on using mundus stones for max resources.. trainee will provide you with a lot more.
I wouldnt recommend running the mage or the tower on a hybrid build. The lover stone provides both physical and spell penetration and will increase your damage much more than max resources.
Addinf to this, crit chance or crit damage stones are also nice for hybrids, since they are also hybrid mundi.1 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What exactly would you be doing as a hyrbid? I'm not opposed to the idea, I just can't think of what class/playstyle I would want to try it out on. Like what weapons/abilities would you like to use, that a dedicated stamina or magicka build can't benefit from already?
It's been like some philosoper's stone people have been chasing forever, but to what avail?
Having two very effective, even if definitely not BiS, hybrid builds, the style you chase is that of a spellsword of sorts. Having used mine to play through HM vet dungeons, I can say they are good. Having failed on harder dungeons, I can also say that you need to know your limts, but they are still pretty high. LOTS you can do if you build right.
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mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »What exactly would you be doing as a hyrbid? I'm not opposed to the idea, I just can't think of what class/playstyle I would want to try it out on. Like what weapons/abilities would you like to use, that a dedicated stamina or magicka build can't benefit from already?
It's been like some philosoper's stone people have been chasing forever, but to what avail?
Many people do it for the fun of it. Or to not fall into FotM chasing. But mostly for the fun. I've played a hybrid sorc a lot in the past and it was so statisfying to blow people up with curse, dizzy, fury, DB. Good old times.
Here's a setup I play for fun (posted in another thread), it's a bit of a meme build and not for serious play but it works well enough and is at the very least a change of pace.Technically, yes, you can create and build a hybrid suitable and payable in most content. You'll find a better fit for hybrids in pvp, but there is scope in pve too, primarily as tank, but even dps has a few options:
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=221379
[ netch running:
unstable Wall > orbs > fetchers || 5*rapid strikes { whirling blades in execute} ]
It's more for fun and running with friends, pugs will give you skewed looks and you will always under perform a pure max resource build, so I wouldn't recommend going hybrid for anything veteran where there's pressure to perform a dps role. That said, you can still pull fairly decent numbers, just remember semi-viable is far from optimal.
I'd love to see some of the better known content creators take up the challenge of theory crafting a viable hybrid. It would be interesting to see what they come up with.Edited by mairwen85 on April 25, 2020 10:08AM1 -
Raudgrani✭✭✭✭✭
✭I can see the thing, that it's fun out of a "tweaker" kind of perspective. But I still fail to see that you actually benefit from it in any way, I haven't seen the need myself. I.e. haven't felt I'm lacking anything as either stam or mag. You might very well have a character viable for vet hm DLC stuff that's hybrid, but question is - wouldn't it be better as mag or stam?
I'm not slagging anyone off, I am just genuinely curious. Is there anything to actually benefit from it, or is it just "Because it's fun and it works!"?1 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
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I'd love to see some of the better known content creators take up the challenge of theory crafting a viable hybrid. It would be interesting to see what they come up with.
Kristofer publishes some nice hybrid builds from time to time. But that's pvp mostly.
the first working hybrid pve build I saw back then was from usmcjdking. Don't know if he's still into this.I can see the thing, that it's fun out of a "tweaker" kind of perspective. But I still fail to see that you actually benefit from it in any way, I haven't seen the need myself. I.e. haven't felt I'm lacking anything as either stam or mag. You might very well have a character viable for vet hm DLC stuff that's hybrid, but question is - wouldn't it be better as mag or stam?
I'm not slagging anyone off, I am just genuinely curious. Is there anything to actually benefit from it, or is it just "Because it's fun and it works!"?
Short answer:
Not real beneficial as pve dps/heal if you are all about numbers crunching and scores. But nothing is outside of the FotM meta, not even second place classes in the dps race.
But in pvp it can open up possibilities to fill what is missing for some classes. Moreso for the original 4 since the cashgated ones are generally a bit better thought out.
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madman65✭✭✭✭Interesting comments, I plan to get the armor weapons and jewelry then have options for the skills. My Dk seem`s to be the candidate for this build, it can go both Magicka and Stamina so I will use all the info everyone has stated. The tri-state glyphs are hard to make and getting those hakeijo runes will be troublesome but great idea. The only area that I can think of that will be a problem is the CP points. I don`t think ESO considered utilizing these for Hybrids but I will make the most of it.
Yeah I am doing this build for fun (bored mainly) to go in a different direction. Maybe in and out of IC or Cyrodill grab shards and rank up, Thanks for the input.0 -
Lumenn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hack the Minotaur has a couple hybrids for templar/dragonknight builds that look interesting if you're looking. While I haven't tried them I've used some modified versions of his builds before.0 -
Wandering_Immigrant✭✭✭✭I can see the thing, that it's fun out of a "tweaker" kind of perspective. But I still fail to see that you actually benefit from it in any way, I haven't seen the need myself. I.e. haven't felt I'm lacking anything as either stam or mag. You might very well have a character viable for vet hm DLC stuff that's hybrid, but question is - wouldn't it be better as mag or stam?
I'm not slagging anyone off, I am just genuinely curious. Is there anything to actually benefit from it, or is it just "Because it's fun and it works!"?
I think most people just do it for the challenge, in a way it's sort of the ultimate theory-crafter project because no matter how well you build it there will always be room for improvement due to it's inherent weaknesses.
It also helps keep things interesting for people with a lot of characters they play regularly. If I only had a handful of characters I probably wouldn't bother with a hybrid, their different classes, specs, and roles would be enough to seperate them. But I have 15, and they all need to bring something different in order for me to have a reason to log into them, so they all have some sort of theme, most of which fit within the typical min-max building formula. One of those fifteen is a hybrid, his theme is Arcane Knight, if you're familiar Final Fantasy's job system, he's basically their Dark Knight. Why? Well mostly because I didnt't have one of those yet.
I don't care that he's not as strong as my other characters, in fact that's kind of the appeal. When I need to beat difficult content I have plenty of characters to choose from. When I want to try and beat the system by seeing how far I can push a character who, within the game's stat formula, shouldn't even exist, I load up my Dark Knight and throw lightning at things while hitting them with a great sword.3 -
Integral1900✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭For me hybrids are what keep me coming back
I used to be a full meta junkie lol, but everything has its time. I got tired of my tank, best in slot etc, but it’s still just a buff/debuff/taunt brick. I had dps setups that could cope with anything this game could throw at it... but it was abandoned because I got tired of feeling like i was in an ever narrowing build bottleneck and that I was made of tissue paper. I have bank alts loaded up with best in slot gear that never gets used. (Well as of a year or two ago lol) Not that I bear any bad feeling towards the meta, it’s simply the most efficient... that doesn’t mean it’s the most fun 🙂
Now I build beefy brawler builds, solo stuff, charecter builds and I can honestly say that not only have a never enjoyed eso so much, but I’ve never enjoyed any game this much. It’s wonderful. I used to do vet hard mode stuff all the time, but that’s over now, the pleasure is gone and yet I’m here because this wonderful game allows me to play how I like, I can quest, do normal trials and dungeons, solo world bosses (most of them anyway but there are still challenges to be had)
That’s the genius of eso and new moon. It’s a solid dps set but there are certainly better ones, especially in trials and dlc dungeons and yet for hybrids it’s gold standard. Below are just a few thoughts. Personal prefrences. I hope they help and I wish you luck because there are wonderful things out there 😇
Lord mundus unless you can hit 9000 weapon and spell penetration in which case you want the critical chance one. 30 to 40% is a good target for a hybrid. We are a compromise after all and normal dungeons or normal trials are generally 9k resistance anyway. You only get 18k resistance in vet
Critical and damage buffs wherever you can get them
New moon
Sharpened trait is good
Proc sets of some sort just for the spectacle, shock and flame are my favourites
At least 2 shields from sets, gear, skills or hardening enchantments
30k health ish with heavy attacks for sustain, split the rest magic and stamina
Tri stat runes on the gear and tri stat food
Two handed and either bow or staff with a shield and taunt for tanking normal dungeons
Pvp builds are often useful as reference points along with solo builds
Edited by Integral1900 on April 25, 2020 10:22PM0