PSA - If you are thinking of coming back to this game dont read these forums first.

IronWooshu · April 2020

I've been away from this game for almost a year playing other games while working and dealing with life. In that time I've thought about coming back a few times but I would always read these forums first and it would deter me from coming back to the game and I now know this was my biggest mistake, why?

Often peoples opinions about the game are misguided due to instant rage posting due to a bad time in battlegrounds or a death they think shouldn't have happened without looking at what they did wrong or why this happened.

People complain about change because they dont like change when change is the most healthy thing you can do for your mind in keeping things fresh. Yet people still get stuck in old ways instead of moving forwards as evident in alot of complaint posts when change in this game comes around.

Alot of gamers are just bitter and angry in life because as much as we all love gaming, getting outside, hanging with friends, going to work and self sustaining yourself are very rewarding. You can still dedicate gaming time as well as doing these other things. When you do these things more, changes in games become less trivial because you have more in your life than just a game which is probably making you miserable and bringing it to these forums.

Everyone feels entitled to share what they dont like about this game, you forget about all the good this game has to offer. While stating an opinion for what you don't like is fine most posts dont offer a solution, it just comes off like a self entitled complaint.

So three weeks ago I started playing again, I didnt read these forums for a good couple months and I just started up the game and wow did I forget how truly awesome this game is. Does it have its problems? Yes, every game does but it's good qualities far outweighs its bad qualities and by reading these forums you will forget that.

So to anyone returning for Greymoor, this game is good dont let these forums tell you otherwise. Go back and play and form your own opinion.

See you in Tamriel.

Solace1981 · April 2020

How dare people want a playable game! I do highly recommend if RP, decorating houses, and zone questing are your thing though.

AinSoph · April 2020

Pretty much all of the gripes in the forums are from veteran players watching the game go downhill. This really shouldn't affect new players in the slightest.

shaielzafine · April 2020

I stayed away from the forums for several months before I came back recently. I actually wish I read the forums first before redownloading for the big "performance" patch. There's a good reason why you keep seeing the same complaints. And why you also see devs scrambling to update us about their "performance updates" having further "performance updates" (and issues still persist btw). It would be less waste of time to just read directly what the combat dev Brian Wheeler is saying and what Matt For is saying on the forums. Rather than redownload the whole game and experience the same negative experience that lots of people are posting about.

GeorgeBlack · April 2020

I wont spend money for a non challenging single player rpg story questline. I rather play DAI again. Better written x100.
If pvp doesnt work I dont see why Id bother spending a bit of money on crowns.
If pvp doesnt work Im not bothered with the new gear.

Even if they ever make their servers stable I still dont see the point of spending anymore money for new content when my class is treated like a joke.
They worked on poop fist, stubornly for 2 updates against all feedback and still stamDK is only played as SnB 2h BS Fury.
And yet I have to listen to stamNB and stamSorc QQ. The two classes that could equip any combination of Weapon skill lines and be effective in the ESO PvP environment due to their mobility and class flavoured tools, while I have to pretend that Major Mending is such a fun thing to play with.

Dont dismiss peoples concerns.

xaraan · April 2020

Hey: here is a post for someone looking at ESO: If you are looking for a casual game where you can have some fun and don't want to get invested while spending your money on the cash shop, then you'll love ESO.

If you care about how players are treated long term then avoid forums. Of if you care about how the game is performing on a technical level don't read the forums.

TequilaFire · April 2020

OP if they don't read the forums they won't see your post. lmao

IronWooshu · April 2020

Solace1981 wrote: »

How dare people want a playable game! I do highly recommend if RP, decorating houses, and zone questing are your thing though.

I think you completely missed the point of the post.

No. I am actually positively sure you missed the entire point of the post.

krachall · April 2020

Yeah, parts of it are still amazing.

If you think of ESO like one of the triangles you use when you make your character's body and face type, there are three main aspects: PVP, PVE, and Casual/RP/dressup/decorating.

As long as you don't stray too far from the Casual/dressup/decorating corner, the game is awesome.

IronWooshu · April 2020

TequilaFire wrote: »

OP if they don't read the forums they won't see your post. lmao

That's even better. Stay away from the toxicity of the forums all together and form your own opinion. If they do come to this forum to get opinions. Hopefully they read this post and take everything with a grain of salt.

MrGhosty · April 2020

Might be mindful of swinging such a wide brush my friend. Eso has genuine issues that aren't just people being upset for sake of being upset and it is pretty disingenuous to claim all naysayers are just whining or blowing the circumstances out of proportion. What would be more helpful as a PSA would be compiling a list of known issues as well as the good parts so that someone thinking of playing has a one stop shop when trying to make the decision where to spend their hard earned income. For those who have already paid for the game, they should just re install and see for themselves as that is always a better means of seeing the full picture.

Kel · April 2020

MrGhosty wrote: »

Might be mindful of swinging such a wide brush my friend. Eso has genuine issues that aren't just people being upset for sake of being upset and it is pretty disingenuous to claim all naysayers are just whining or blowing the circumstances out of proportion. What would be more helpful as a PSA would be compiling a list of known issues as well as the good parts so that someone thinking of playing has a one stop shop when trying to make the decision where to spend their hard earned income. For those who have already paid for the game, they should just re install and see for themselves as that is always a better means of seeing the full picture.

But why do that when you can rant against legitimate concerns about gameplay and performance while simultaneously insulting those players with legitimate issues by throwing your own brand of toxic salt?

Doesn't seem as fun...

justaquickword · April 2020

The Internet in 2020...

Anyone who has an opinion contrary to your own must be toxic.

Anyone who has the audacity to openly share an opinion which differs from your own is obviously just doing it to upset you and must be a troll.

You are always right about everything and if you get offended by something then it must be offensive.

Good Times.

dcam86b14_ESO · April 2020

I don't read forums when deciding to play a game anyway. I play and if I like it, I stay if I don't I leave. No one is going to influence where my money and time go but me.

DukeDiewalker · April 2020

False!
The game is in a desolate state in almost all aspects, while ZOS is heavily censoring their forums. People who understand less about the game still deserve to know.
That being said, 50% of the forums is still nonsense.

leepalmer95 · April 2020

Cant really come back when the games doesnt work.

precambria · April 2020

Pvp = unplayable performance issues, Trials = unplayable performance issues and bugs, group finder is not working for 4 mans which also have performance issues, Low APM questing and crafting is probably fine.

I would strongly recommend not playing this game, new players might have fun yes but the moment they grow out of discovering the game they will probably wish they had not gotten into it so much.

Tandor · April 2020

shaielzafine wrote: »

I stayed away from the forums for several months before I came back recently. I actually wish I read the forums first before redownloading for the big "performance" patch. There's a good reason why you keep seeing the same complaints. And why you also see devs scrambling to update us about their "performance updates" having further "performance updates" (and issues still persist btw). It would be less waste of time to just read directly what the combat dev Brian Wheeler is saying and what Matt For is saying on the forums. Rather than redownload the whole game and experience the same negative experience that lots of people are posting about.

I don't know where the idea of "the big performance patch" has come from, you're not the first to refer to it. There is an ongoing Performance Improvement Plan that is scheduled to run for much of this year, as detailed clearly in monthly articles on the website which are also linked from the forum and the launcher. Fixes are being applied gradually over time, seemingly with varying results, but there is no "silver bullet" that will fix everyone's perception of performance issues in a single "big performance patch", and there never was.

Meanwhile, those considering playing the game may well want to check the forums but they might also want to consider the greatly increased number of people playing the game regardless of what is being said here.

HEBREWHAMMERRR · April 2020

Yeah, don’t read forums. It will give you a swift, strong dose of reality for the people who’ve been playing this game since day 1. Do yourself a favor and don’t.

ImmortalCX · April 2020

So basically, what you're saying is that the people who complain about the game don't have a life.

If they had a life, they wouldn't complain about the game.

Tandor · April 2020

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Yeah, don’t read forums. It will give you a swift, strong dose of reality for the people who’ve been playing this game since day 1. Do yourself a favor and don’t.

For some of the people who've been playing this game since day 1, not all. It's down to playstyle more than length of time, competitive play has issues that by and large aren't there for non-competitive play.

SgtSilock · April 2020

ironic that they need to come to the forum to read a post about not reading posts on the forum.

Matchimus · April 2020

We should ignore everyone's opinion except your one?

GeorgeBlack · April 2020

Tandor wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Yeah, don’t read forums. It will give you a swift, strong dose of reality for the people who’ve been playing this game since day 1. Do yourself a favor and don’t.

For some of the people who've been playing this game since day 1, not all. It's down to playstyle more than length of time, competitive play has issues that by and large aren't there for non-competitive play.

Go kill a delve boss mate.

robertthebard · April 2020

For people that are truly veterans of MMOs, it's a non-issue. Those players will already know that while there are going to be posts of legit concerns, there's going to be a lot of hyperbole about "they don't care about their players".

For anyone that uses Steam, they'll already know better than to take the forums at face value. All one has to do is look at the review bomb of the base version of Skyrim to know that. "but the Creation Club" is invalid, you can't use it on the base version of Skyrim, and yet...

As a general rule, only about 15% of a game's population ever uses the forums on anything like a regular basis, and when I'm debating on returning to, or downloading a new MMO, the forums aren't where I'm going to draw my conclusions from. It'd be like following Jim Sterling, and basing your "buy/don't buy" on his initial review of Hellblade, you know the one where he failed a puzzle and claimed the game was a buggy mess to be avoided at all costs?

Sneaky-Snurr · April 2020

Do you remember using Bloodspawn @IronWooshu? It's a nice set right? Guess what happened to it. 😿

Tandor · April 2020

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Yeah, don’t read forums. It will give you a swift, strong dose of reality for the people who’ve been playing this game since day 1. Do yourself a favor and don’t.

For some of the people who've been playing this game since day 1, not all. It's down to playstyle more than length of time, competitive play has issues that by and large aren't there for non-competitive play.

Go kill a delve boss mate.

I soloed a delve boss multiple times in the recent event, on PC EU, and didn't have any issues. What's your point?

Kiralyn2000 · April 2020

I mean, sure - "don't read a game's forums if you want to enjoy it" has been a general rule I've had for like 10 years. Reading veteran players' moaning about how terrible everything is will just kill the mood (or, being told repeatedly that you're not actually having fun, eventually makes you believe it.)

xXMeowMeowXx · April 2020

People have a right to express their feelings on the forums same as you do.

Many players are here to voice their concerns over a range of topics.

Performance is a major issue. In turn you were not playing for a year, so how would you know how things have been for other players....

You’re a causal and you who said not to read the forums decided to post a rant. A rant at players that have grievances over legitimate issues no less. Congrats you’re a hypocrite

bellanca6561n · April 2020

Tandor wrote: »

shaielzafine wrote: »

I stayed away from the forums for several months before I came back recently. I actually wish I read the forums first before redownloading for the big "performance" patch. There's a good reason why you keep seeing the same complaints. And why you also see devs scrambling to update us about their "performance updates" having further "performance updates" (and issues still persist btw). It would be less waste of time to just read directly what the combat dev Brian Wheeler is saying and what Matt For is saying on the forums. Rather than redownload the whole game and experience the same negative experience that lots of people are posting about.

I don't know where the idea of "the big performance patch" has come from, you're not the first to refer to it. There is an ongoing Performance Improvement Plan that is scheduled to run for much of this year, as detailed clearly in monthly articles on the website which are also linked from the forum and the launcher. Fixes are being applied gradually over time, seemingly with varying results, but there is no "silver bullet" that will fix everyone's perception of performance issues in a single "big performance patch", and there never was.

Meanwhile, those considering playing the game may well want to check the forums but they might also want to consider the greatly increased number of people playing the game regardless of what is being said here.

It's, in many ways, a captive audience.