Every common source of resist except procs, Nord and Heavy Armor has been nerfed though.

Royaji wrote: »

Because it was actually a poor set for tanks (and the nerf did not affect that part much) but quite a problematic set in PvP.

Can you elaborate on this a bit more? It was actually decent for many pve dungeons, especially ones with bosses who had tick damage (ICD for example) who needed to be stat checked through.

I think I can assume on pvp it was the old "dps took a defense option and it wasnt fun bc they couldnt die as fast" nonsense.

If Im wrong here on that, please let me know.

Well, how do you expect tanks to get experience? Jump right into Sunspire an MoL to get BiS sets? Fortified Brass is great for a new tank because the extra passive mitigation allowed them to stay alive long enough to learn mechanics and it is crafted. Another in a line of tank sets nerfed for reasons not associated with tanking, looking at you Hist Bark.

Fortified Brass:
2-4 piece bonus = 1487 armor
5 piece bonus = 1487 * 2.3268 = 3460 armor


This is the reason. Devs only think about numbers. When the set was 5k it wasnt OP, it was average. Now fortified brass worth less than my toilet paper hoard. Devs are definitely playing their game.

Luckylancer wrote: »

Fortified Brass:
2-4 piece bonus = 1487 armor
5 piece bonus = 1487 * 2.3268 = 3460 armor


This is the reason. Devs only think about numbers. When the set was 5k it wasnt OP, it was average. Now fortified brass worth less than my toilet paper hoard. Devs are definitely playing their game.

They are probably playing the game. They just don't understand it as well as the people that live the game, although they think they do.

Balancing via Spreadsheet is simply a flawed approach to itemization.

I never used Brass but I was glad that it existed because it was a viable set that provided build flexibility to players of many playstyles.

Post-nerf we have one fewer viable set and even less build diversity so what, exactly, was accomplished?

Ironically, this spreadsheet managed to cook up New Moon Acolyte, a set FAR more ubiquitous and ruinous for build diversity than Brass ever was.

There is no issue with balancing sets via speadsheet when they meet the exact same conditions. Static sets like Brass and Hundings should use the same multipler for the 5th piece bonus. That makes sense.

The real issue is the base standards are flawed to begin with. This has reprucutions on everything in the game, sets, mundus stones, and racials.

These are the 1-4 piece bonuses:

• 1206 Max Health
• 1096 Max Resource
• 129 Health Regen
• 129 Resource Regen
• 129 Damage
• 833 Crit (3.8%)
• 1487 Penetration
• 1487 Armor
• 4% Healing Done
• 4% Healing Received

129 health regen =/= 129 resource regen and 129 resource regen =/= 129 damage. I'd suggest a small increase similar to max resources vs max health which is a 1.1x multiplier.

• 129 168 Health Regen (1.3x multiplier)
• 129 155 Resource Regen (1.2x multiplier)

How this affects some racial passives:

• Wood Elf
  • 258 Stam Regen -> 310 Stam Regen.
• Khajiit
  • 100 HP Regen -> 130
  • 85 Stam/Mag Regen -> 102, maybe round down to 100

Small buffs, but very much needed on races that are slightly behind. This isn't to say more changes are needed for them, but using ZOS's current standards on these passive values and an increase to the base standards used, means they should be updated to follow suit.

Crit is in a solid place, it's the second best damage stat behind penetration for pve due to high crit dmg multipliers, however penetration caps are easily reached making it the best. For pvp, crit is very low on the totem pole because crit damage multipliers are so low. Crit resist is easily obtained by set traits and cp, in no cp, you also have less reliable crit chance without the blue star to increase it by 9%. The proposed changes to reduce impen crit resist, but offer base crit resist is a step in the right direction to make it more interesting to choose for pvp and opens up build diversity.

Armor and Penetration is equal and for the most part, I agree with this, but because of that, it makes increasing the armor value difficult. Penetration is the strongest damage based bonus you can get so I won't comment on any suggestions as I'm not sure how to balance it properly. 1 thing to note is Penetration is only Physical or Spell, there is no combined value like Armor. ZOS did mention on the patch notes for U23 that they would be looking to combine Physical/Spell Penetration on sets into 1 value for the future, as well as combining the debuffs of Breach and Fracture like they did for Resolve and Ward. What values they land on remains a mystery and they seem to still be working on Penetration seeing as it's been 2 updates later. We will have to see tomorrow if they remembered to come back to this idea with U26.

Healing done and received might be at a good place? Not sure, but I do feel like Argonian should have 8% healing done instead of 6%.

Main change I feel strongly about is regeneration.

Because someone that's been running balance or working on balance the last year+ has fallen in love with a new buzzword based concept: Stat Density.

Without realizing that it only matters how dense stats are in context.
So things need to be looked at on a more case by case basis. As this adjustment shows. Sure it probably needed toned down when they changed up some of the various armor bonuses, but they over-did it a bit. Looks balanced on a spread sheet, but really isn't worth using (maybe it is for some niche build, but for the most part it isn't).