OtarTheMad wrote: »
Honestly I think the change to vMA and vDSA is fine, it's old content. If you're getting great DPS numbers already then this won't affect you that much.
Your honesty invalidates everyone else's feelings.
NocturnalSonata wrote: »Seriously people will leave because of additional 129 wep/spell dmg or something like that on back bar ? OK...
While it may not be the greatest news to refarm vMA weapons get real about that "leaving the game because of 0,1% DPS difference" meme.
It has nothing to do with the spec of the gear that has everyone griping... The issue is that after grinding 50+ times to get a staff, our achievement is just invalidated.
Imagine if the title "God-slayer" was restructured to be achieved on a standard nSS run. So all that hard work people did to get God-slayer to begin with is invalidated, and they have to re-run it just to get the "real" title back... but wait... its much worse, lets hide that title behind rng while we are about it.
Seriously, people defending this move by zos boggle the mind.
NocturnalSonata wrote: »Seriously people will leave because of additional 129 wep/spell dmg or something like that on back bar ? OK...
While it may not be the greatest news to refarm vMA weapons get real about that "leaving the game because of 0,1% DPS difference" meme.
It has nothing to do with the spec of the gear that has everyone griping... The issue is that after grinding 50+ times to get a staff, our achievement is just invalidated.
Imagine if the title "God-slayer" was restructured to be achieved on a standard nSS run. So all that hard work people did to get God-slayer to begin with is invalidated, and they have to re-run it just to get the "real" title back... but wait... its much worse, lets hide that title behind rng while we are about it.
Seriously, people defending this move by zos boggle the mind.
Honestly that wouldn't be so bad if the RNG part of it wouldn't be so horrible. You can spend months without ever dropping the weapon type you want.
If they would introduce a system, where you beat the Arena and can choose what weapon you want that wouldn't be as close as awful as it is now.
Seriously people will leave because of additional 129 wep/spell dmg or something like that on back bar ? OK...
While it may not be the greatest news to refarm vMA weapons get real about that "leaving the game because of 0,1% DPS difference" meme.
Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »If you are going to act like a petulant child over a staff or bow or something, perhaps it is best if you leave.
Feel free to take some of the screechers on the forum with you.
The forum can then be useful to the game again, as opposed to constant screeching and hyperbole, which does nobody any favours.
All this bickering and fighting has got to stop. People need to learn to act in a mature manner, or find another game to play.
Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »If you are going to act like a petulant child over a staff or bow or something, perhaps it is best if you leave.
Feel free to take some of the screechers on the forum with you.
The forum can then be useful to the game again, as opposed to constant screeching and hyperbole, which does nobody any favours.
All this bickering and fighting has got to stop. People need to learn to act in a mature manner, or find another game to play.
Yes. Now probably even you will have the chance to get a Maelstrom weapon, isn't that great news?
Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »If you are going to act like a petulant child over a staff or bow or something, perhaps it is best if you leave.
Feel free to take some of the screechers on the forum with you.
The forum can then be useful to the game again, as opposed to constant screeching and hyperbole, which does nobody any favours.
All this bickering and fighting has got to stop. People need to learn to act in a mature manner, or find another game to play.
Yes. Now probably even you will have the chance to get a Maelstrom weapon, isn't that great news?
So what you are saying is that people are crying on the forum because it has been made easier to get.
Elitist much?
This has nothing to do with Elitism.Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »If you are going to act like a petulant child over a staff or bow or something, perhaps it is best if you leave.
Feel free to take some of the screechers on the forum with you.
The forum can then be useful to the game again, as opposed to constant screeching and hyperbole, which does nobody any favours.
All this bickering and fighting has got to stop. People need to learn to act in a mature manner, or find another game to play.
Yes. Now probably even you will have the chance to get a Maelstrom weapon, isn't that great news?
So what you are saying is that people are crying on the forum because it has been made easier to get.
Elitist much?
Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »If you are going to act like a petulant child over a staff or bow or something, perhaps it is best if you leave.
Feel free to take some of the screechers on the forum with you.
The forum can then be useful to the game again, as opposed to constant screeching and hyperbole, which does nobody any favours.
All this bickering and fighting has got to stop. People need to learn to act in a mature manner, or find another game to play.
Yes. Now probably even you will have the chance to get a Maelstrom weapon, isn't that great news?
So what you are saying is that people are crying on the forum because it has been made easier to get.
Elitist much?
Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »It doesn't change the fact that people are throwing their toys out of the pram over a bow or staff or whatever.
The theatrics shown by some people here is unreal.
Accept it or move on. It's that simple. 90 to 95% of the player base couldn't care less.
Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »It doesn't change the fact that people are throwing their toys out of the pram over a bow or staff or whatever.
The theatrics shown by some people here is unreal.
Accept it or move on. It's that simple. 90 to 95% of the player base couldn't care less.
Are you always this much of a tool? You don't have to take it or leave it. There are other options, one of which is expressing your disagreement. If you want to shut up and take it, then PLEASE, do shut up and take it. Don't get on your high horse and berate people who have a different opinion.
Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »It doesn't change the fact that people are throwing their toys out of the pram over a bow or staff or whatever.
The theatrics shown by some people here is unreal.
Accept it or move on. It's that simple. 90 to 95% of the player base couldn't care less.
Are you always this much of a tool? You don't have to take it or leave it. There are other options, one of which is expressing your disagreement. If you want to shut up and take it, then PLEASE, do shut up and take it. Don't get on your high horse and berate people who have a different opinion.
With all honest and respect, there is a reason why people are losing their nerves and make quitting threads and stuff... ZOS is to blame for this. Not players. ZOS earned a reputation of "not listening to players feedback" for a reason. And it is not only here on forums. Reddit, Discord, YouTube content creators, end-game players etc. It is not like some people on forums made- it up or something.Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »It doesn't change the fact that people are throwing their toys out of the pram over a bow or staff or whatever.
The theatrics shown by some people here is unreal.
Accept it or move on. It's that simple. 90 to 95% of the player base couldn't care less.
Are you always this much of a tool? You don't have to take it or leave it. There are other options, one of which is expressing your disagreement. If you want to shut up and take it, then PLEASE, do shut up and take it. Don't get on your high horse and berate people who have a different opinion.
I've got no problem with people asking for things in a reasonable manner. I do have an issue with people screeching and threatening to rage quit, and acting like spoilt brats.
There has been far too much of the latter on the forum lately. It needs to stop, and people like me will call it out when we see it, because we are fed up if it.
People on this forum need to grow up, or either the ban hammer will come crashing down or the forum will shut completly.
Just because this is the internet does not give people the excuse to act like spoilt brats. There's a reason why the mods are closing so many threads lately; the brattish behaviour has gotten out of control.
Oh, and I gave up on maelstrom normal after three rounds because it got fed up with it.
People either need to grow up or move on. If they don't, then zos will decide for them sooner or later.
Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »If you are going to act like a petulant child over a staff or bow or something, perhaps it is best if you leave.
Feel free to take some of the screechers on the forum with you.
The forum can then be useful to the game again, as opposed to constant screeching and hyperbole, which does nobody any favours.
All this bickering and fighting has got to stop. People need to learn to act in a mature manner, or find another game to play.
Yes. Now probably even you will have the chance to get a Maelstrom weapon, isn't that great news?
So what you are saying is that people are crying on the forum because it has been made easier to get.
Elitist much?
Nope, they are annoyed because ZOS seem to be deliberately denigrating their achievements/work/effort.
It would be easy for ZOS to either upgrade all existing Maelstrom weapons to the new perfected ones (in which case no one would have any issue with this), or simply provide new, lesser powered ‘normal’ Maelstrom weapons for normal MA clears (which again would cause no issue). ZOS have deliberately chosen not to do this.
Instead ZOS have declared that everyone’s time spent in vMA is now effectively no more than a normal clear. They are essentially saying “f*** your effort and f*** you” to everyone who has done vMA and they are doing it in the most upfront blatant way they can.
That’s not anti-elitist, or balancing, that’s personal.
Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »With all honest and respect, there is a reason why people are losing their nerves and make quitting threads and stuff... ZOS is to blame for this. Not players. ZOS earned a reputation of "not listening to players feedback" for a reason. And it is not only here on forums. Reddit, Discord, YouTube content creators, end-game players etc. It is not like some people on forums made- it up or something.Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »It doesn't change the fact that people are throwing their toys out of the pram over a bow or staff or whatever.
The theatrics shown by some people here is unreal.
Accept it or move on. It's that simple. 90 to 95% of the player base couldn't care less.
Are you always this much of a tool? You don't have to take it or leave it. There are other options, one of which is expressing your disagreement. If you want to shut up and take it, then PLEASE, do shut up and take it. Don't get on your high horse and berate people who have a different opinion.
I've got no problem with people asking for things in a reasonable manner. I do have an issue with people screeching and threatening to rage quit, and acting like spoilt brats.
There has been far too much of the latter on the forum lately. It needs to stop, and people like me will call it out when we see it, because we are fed up if it.
People on this forum need to grow up, or either the ban hammer will come crashing down or the forum will shut completly.
Just because this is the internet does not give people the excuse to act like spoilt brats. There's a reason why the mods are closing so many threads lately; the brattish behaviour has gotten out of control.
Oh, and I gave up on maelstrom normal after three rounds because it got fed up with it.
People either need to grow up or move on. If they don't, then zos will decide for them sooner or later.
White-knigh-ing bad Corporate decision is the worst we can do.
Seriously people will leave because of additional 129 wep/spell dmg or something like that on back bar ? OK...
While it may not be the greatest news to refarm vMA weapons get real about that "leaving the game because of 0,1% DPS difference" meme.
That's dishonest and unfair.
In the world of pvp, every ounce of stats matters. If your opponents have even a tiny bit more than you then all other things being equal, we'd bet on the opponents winning.
Personally I don't pvp and wouldn't invest the effort. Wasn't aware of this. But on examination it doesn't look like great news and people are talking about it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrHFfj33o0w
The repetitive gear grind treadmill has been a staple of MMOs since their inception, though usually takes the form of increasing the level cap. Games like ESO and GW2 don't do that, but and do crap like this instead. Not outright making already farmed gear obsolete but introducing slight upgrades.
Point is - obviously this content IS NOT FUN or players would want to do it regardless of rewards. Rather than making this and other content enjoyable, ZO decided to force players back onto the gear treadmill to keep their gear maxed for PvP.
Just one in a very long line of *** moves they've made over the past couple of years which understandably is going to drive players away.
JanTanhide wrote: »I agree with the OP about just about everything posted. But, I definitely like the 60% reduction in healing linked to Battle Spirit. Seriously, PVPers have been complaining for over a year about the healing in PVP being too strong.
The best way to lower the healing so as to not impact PVE is to tie it to Battle Spirit. I.M.O. every time the PVP community asks for changes like this it should always be tied to Battle Spirit if possible.
This is a step in the right direction. For VMA, VDSA and BRP weapons those who have them should have them changed to Perfected versions.
Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »If you are going to act like a petulant child over a staff or bow or something, perhaps it is best if you leave.
Feel free to take some of the screechers on the forum with you.
The forum can then be useful to the game again, as opposed to constant screeching and hyperbole, which does nobody any favours.
All this bickering and fighting has got to stop. People need to learn to act in a mature manner, or find another game to play.
Yes. Now probably even you will have the chance to get a Maelstrom weapon, isn't that great news?
So what you are saying is that people are crying on the forum because it has been made easier to get.
Elitist much?
Nope, they are annoyed because ZOS seem to be deliberately denigrating their achievements/work/effort.
It would be easy for ZOS to either upgrade all existing Maelstrom weapons to the new perfected ones (in which case no one would have any issue with this), or simply provide new, lesser powered ‘normal’ Maelstrom weapons for normal MA clears (which again would cause no issue). ZOS have deliberately chosen not to do this.
Instead ZOS have declared that everyone’s time spent in vMA is now effectively no more than a normal clear. They are essentially saying “f*** your effort and f*** you” to everyone who has done vMA and they are doing it in the most upfront blatant way they can.
That’s not anti-elitist, or balancing, that’s personal.