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So my VMael stuff etc will just become normal mael loot ; time to quit this game ; that's enough

  • ErMurazor
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    I thought some about this. Remember we have transmute stones theese days. The grind was real when you needed Sharp bow and/or inferno to drop. You should get all you need now in 20-30 rounds not 200 that was needed before. It still sucks though
  • Irfind
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    Oh just be happy that i am not a dev i would every perfect weapons or armor bann from PVP (battelspirit)
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    EP Iswind - Mag Warden Dunmer
    EP Ko'runa Silberklaue - Mag Temp Khajiit
    EP Eldrid Hagal - Mag DK Dunmer
    EP Feyne R'is - Stam Sorc Dunmer ...with Bow
    EP Wynn Loraethaine - Mag NB Dunmer
    AD Runare Loraethaine - Stam Sorc Altmer
    AD Skadi Hagal - Stam DK Khajiit
  • Raudgrani
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    Matchimus wrote: »
    OtarTheMad wrote: »
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    Honestly I think the change to vMA and vDSA is fine, it's old content. If you're getting great DPS numbers already then this won't affect you that much.

    Your honesty invalidates everyone else's feelings.

    One of the guys feeling good about himself, now that he might be able to have what WE do have - because he will be able to have the same weapons as we do, for finishing normal Maelstrom Arena. But it might be doable! With lots of positive thoughts, mommies cookies and a lot of tears. He already bought the Maelstrom staff and bow motifs from someone a year ago, paying a measly 500k in total. Now maybe he doesn't need it anymore!

    But to be serious. Anyone who HAVE been running VMA over a hundred times (like me, who got away REALLY easy to get what I needed!), knows this is not about "the DPS". It's about what we did to get these weapons, and now practically almost anyone can have them in a few hours. It's not fair, it's insulting and rude, and it's highly arrogant. But in a way I'm not surprised. This is the way things works today. We are probably regarded as "privileged" or something like that.
    Edited by Raudgrani on April 19, 2020 9:40AM
  • L_Nici
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    Honestly that wouldn't be so bad if the RNG part of it wouldn't be so horrible. You can spend months without ever dropping the weapon type you want.

    If they would introduce a system, where you beat the Arena and can choose what weapon you want that wouldn't be as close as awful as it is now.
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  • MJallday
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Seriously people will leave because of additional 129 wep/spell dmg or something like that on back bar ? OK...

    While it may not be the greatest news to refarm vMA weapons get real about that "leaving the game because of 0,1% DPS difference" meme.

    It has nothing to do with the spec of the gear that has everyone griping... The issue is that after grinding 50+ times to get a staff, our achievement is just invalidated.

    Imagine if the title "God-slayer" was restructured to be achieved on a standard nSS run. So all that hard work people did to get God-slayer to begin with is invalidated, and they have to re-run it just to get the "real" title back... but wait... its much worse, lets hide that title behind rng while we are about it.

    Seriously, people defending this move by zos boggle the mind.

    That would probably be good to be honest, since no one (maybe 1 team?) on console has done it

  • Juhasow
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Seriously people will leave because of additional 129 wep/spell dmg or something like that on back bar ? OK...

    While it may not be the greatest news to refarm vMA weapons get real about that "leaving the game because of 0,1% DPS difference" meme.

    It has nothing to do with the spec of the gear that has everyone griping... The issue is that after grinding 50+ times to get a staff, our achievement is just invalidated.

    Imagine if the title "God-slayer" was restructured to be achieved on a standard nSS run. So all that hard work people did to get God-slayer to begin with is invalidated, and they have to re-run it just to get the "real" title back... but wait... its much worse, lets hide that title behind rng while we are about it.

    Seriously, people defending this move by zos boggle the mind.

    You do realize we had to do this already when max level was increased from vet 14 to vet 16 ? Also comparing 1 year old achievement to 5 years old weapons is not the best comparison. Basicallly comparing getting an achievement to getting piece of gear is horrible comparison but whatever i guess people like You will use any out of context comparison to support their agenda. By Your logic in the world of achievements it's equivalent of the skin from vCoS aka something nobody cares about anymore and something that wasn't that hard to get even when it was released. If ZoS would move that skin to normal mode right now nobody would care which actually makes Your type of comparisons disproving Your logic.

    Also I don't feel like my achievements are invalidated. For 5 years I was wearing top weapons. Now they'll be replaced with other top weapons that will be stronger just by tiny bit. It's just another time when we'll have to get meta setup from the content that is already in the game because meta have changed.
    Edited by Juhasow on April 19, 2020 10:16AM
  • Raudgrani
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    L_Nici wrote: »
    Honestly that wouldn't be so bad if the RNG part of it wouldn't be so horrible. You can spend months without ever dropping the weapon type you want.

    If they would introduce a system, where you beat the Arena and can choose what weapon you want that wouldn't be as close as awful as it is now.

    I'm a bit amazed of how "positive" kids have been taught to think these days. I'm pretty old, and often baffled by things like these.

    In my eyes, this is like: "Hey that robber cut your face open with that razor, but at least he just took your money and card and threw the wallet on the ground, he even looked at you and gave you a napkin for all the blood. Probably felt bad for you, so that's pretty alright, ain't it!?".

    If they take what we rightfully had ON veteran level, back when the game itself was way harder (DPS then an now for example, vast difference!) - and turn it into trash loot anyone can have before they even reach lvl 50, this is completely inexcusable. It would still be as bad, if you could PICK what weapon you wanted. We already have them (from veteran difficulty), why should I be forced to get the same thing again?
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    I think its a good update :)
  • FierceSam
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    Seriously people will leave because of additional 129 wep/spell dmg or something like that on back bar ? OK...

    While it may not be the greatest news to refarm vMA weapons get real about that "leaving the game because of 0,1% DPS difference" meme.

    It’s not the additional stat that is causing so much bad feeling, but the sense that the many hours of vMA that players have gone through will be essentially rendered invalid.

    Players feel that ZOS is taking the *** out of them, not recognising the effort they have already put in and treating them like shite

    To basically say the the weapons they have struggled for are now merely those that you get for doing normal vMA is pretty insulting.

    It’s a clear and deliberate move by ZOS to force these players back into the vMA lottery where clears don’t guarantee you the weapon of your choice.

    As @code65536 has said, these players could refarm their stuff, they just shouldn’t have to.

    Not upgrading existing Maelstrom weapons is a bogus move by ZOS that has no upside whatsoever. The goodwill that ZOS are shredding is not something they will easily get back.

    This isn’t some Icehat bullshite, where a few PvPers got upset, this is a major insult to all those players who have completed the hardest single player content in the game
  • Mancombe_Nosehair
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    If you are going to act like a petulant child over a staff or bow or something, perhaps it is best if you leave.

    Feel free to take some of the screechers on the forum with you.

    The forum can then be useful to the game again, as opposed to constant screeching and hyperbole, which does nobody any favours.

    All this bickering and fighting has got to stop. People need to learn to act in a mature manner, or find another game to play.
    Edited by Mancombe_Nosehair on April 19, 2020 10:38AM
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    Probably died in a Xv1 situation again.
  • Raudgrani
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    If you are going to act like a petulant child over a staff or bow or something, perhaps it is best if you leave.

    Feel free to take some of the screechers on the forum with you.

    The forum can then be useful to the game again, as opposed to constant screeching and hyperbole, which does nobody any favours.

    All this bickering and fighting has got to stop. People need to learn to act in a mature manner, or find another game to play.

    Yes. Now probably even you will have the chance to get a Maelstrom weapon, isn't that great news?
  • Mancombe_Nosehair
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    Raudgrani wrote: »
    If you are going to act like a petulant child over a staff or bow or something, perhaps it is best if you leave.

    Feel free to take some of the screechers on the forum with you.

    The forum can then be useful to the game again, as opposed to constant screeching and hyperbole, which does nobody any favours.

    All this bickering and fighting has got to stop. People need to learn to act in a mature manner, or find another game to play.

    Yes. Now probably even you will have the chance to get a Maelstrom weapon, isn't that great news?

    So what you are saying is that people are crying on the forum because it has been made easier to get.

    Elitist much?
  • Raudgrani
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    Raudgrani wrote: »
    If you are going to act like a petulant child over a staff or bow or something, perhaps it is best if you leave.

    Feel free to take some of the screechers on the forum with you.

    The forum can then be useful to the game again, as opposed to constant screeching and hyperbole, which does nobody any favours.

    All this bickering and fighting has got to stop. People need to learn to act in a mature manner, or find another game to play.

    Yes. Now probably even you will have the chance to get a Maelstrom weapon, isn't that great news?

    So what you are saying is that people are crying on the forum because it has been made easier to get.

    Elitist much?

    Not exactly. I'm all for letting people have an "imperfect" version of Maelstrom weapons. But I don't see why ours who were farmed on VETERAN difficulty, will be turned into something you can get on normal Difficulty. After all, we did get them FROM veteran difficulty. And if you are determined to even do veteran difficulty, you will have to make a specific build (at least when you start doing it), and somehow you will need to learn and remember the mechanics - which you can COMPLETELY ignore fully on normal difficulty, even stepping in on any kind of build.

    THEN, you can start the "farming". Something which took most of us at least around 100 runs, on veteran difficulty. I can clear it on normal these days, about literally as fast as the mobs spawn (Whack-a-Mole style). But a veteran run probably takes me some 40-60 minutes still. And I don't want to waste around 600 hours to get what I already have - Maelstrom weapons from having done the arena on veteran difficulty.

    In all fairness, I think it would be good to introduce some extra bonus to the veteran ones, as well as lowering the other stat on "normal" weapons by some 10-25% as well. Bow adds 300/100 to volley, destro adds 1100 to light/heavies, resta adds 600 magicka back etc.

    "Elitist much"? I don't know, what's the opposite to "elitist much", because that's what you are doing. I know the word, but I can't use it here.
    Edited by Raudgrani on April 19, 2020 11:12AM
  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    Raudgrani wrote: »
    If you are going to act like a petulant child over a staff or bow or something, perhaps it is best if you leave.

    Feel free to take some of the screechers on the forum with you.

    The forum can then be useful to the game again, as opposed to constant screeching and hyperbole, which does nobody any favours.

    All this bickering and fighting has got to stop. People need to learn to act in a mature manner, or find another game to play.

    Yes. Now probably even you will have the chance to get a Maelstrom weapon, isn't that great news?

    So what you are saying is that people are crying on the forum because it has been made easier to get.

    Elitist much?
    This has nothing to do with Elitism.

    That in not the problem. The part that it is easier to get - I would even say that is something good. BUT... The problem is that by not editing / changing all current vMA & vDA weapons to perfected - ZOS basically neglects time & effort people have spend to get those weapons.

    That is the issue here. Those sets were available only on veteran and people who actually have sacrificed their time & patience to learn how to play good enough to complete the hard content, now are getting slapped in the face. Besides ppl once had perfected vMA weapons. No joke. Those weapon had additional effect on them (they were basically "perfected") but were nerfed at some point.

    Imagine if they buffed certain dungeon set for example - but you will have to grind it again and do 100+ runs to get it as you will still have old, not updated version. It is cheap. It is pathetic and tbh. it should not even be discussed as stuff like this should basically not happen.

    I am also pretty sure that if ZOS would auto-update those, ppl would not even mention / be upset that it is easier to get the slightly worse version. Because - let's face it - the difference between non-perfect & perfected in not that huge. It is more about how you treat your player-base and time they spend.
  • FierceSam
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    Raudgrani wrote: »
    If you are going to act like a petulant child over a staff or bow or something, perhaps it is best if you leave.

    Feel free to take some of the screechers on the forum with you.

    The forum can then be useful to the game again, as opposed to constant screeching and hyperbole, which does nobody any favours.

    All this bickering and fighting has got to stop. People need to learn to act in a mature manner, or find another game to play.

    Yes. Now probably even you will have the chance to get a Maelstrom weapon, isn't that great news?

    So what you are saying is that people are crying on the forum because it has been made easier to get.

    Elitist much?

    Nope, they are annoyed because ZOS seem to be deliberately denigrating their achievements/work/effort.

    It would be easy for ZOS to either upgrade all existing Maelstrom weapons to the new perfected ones (in which case no one would have any issue with this), or simply provide new, lesser powered ‘normal’ Maelstrom weapons for normal MA clears (which again would cause no issue). ZOS have deliberately chosen not to do this.

    Instead ZOS have declared that everyone’s time spent in vMA is now effectively no more than a normal clear. They are essentially saying “f*** your effort and f*** you” to everyone who has done vMA and they are doing it in the most upfront blatant way they can.

    That’s not anti-elitist, or balancing, that’s personal.
  • Mancombe_Nosehair
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    It doesn't change the fact that people are throwing their toys out of the pram over a bow or staff or whatever.

    The theatrics shown by some people here is unreal.

    Accept it or move on. It's that simple. 90 to 95% of the player base couldn't care less.
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    It doesn't change the fact that people are throwing their toys out of the pram over a bow or staff or whatever.

    The theatrics shown by some people here is unreal.

    Accept it or move on. It's that simple. 90 to 95% of the player base couldn't care less.

    Are you always this much of a tool? You don't have to take it or leave it. There are other options, one of which is expressing your disagreement. If you want to shut up and take it, then PLEASE, do shut up and take it. Don't get on your high horse and berate people who have a different opinion.
  • Solace1981
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    daemonios wrote: »
    It doesn't change the fact that people are throwing their toys out of the pram over a bow or staff or whatever.

    The theatrics shown by some people here is unreal.

    Accept it or move on. It's that simple. 90 to 95% of the player base couldn't care less.

    Are you always this much of a tool? You don't have to take it or leave it. There are other options, one of which is expressing your disagreement. If you want to shut up and take it, then PLEASE, do shut up and take it. Don't get on your high horse and berate people who have a different opinion.

    This guy will defend ZOS to the grave. No point in arguing with him. They can do no wrong and yet your post will be the one that gets removed for being a meanie. Just ignore and move on.
  • Mancombe_Nosehair
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    daemonios wrote: »
    It doesn't change the fact that people are throwing their toys out of the pram over a bow or staff or whatever.

    The theatrics shown by some people here is unreal.

    Accept it or move on. It's that simple. 90 to 95% of the player base couldn't care less.

    Are you always this much of a tool? You don't have to take it or leave it. There are other options, one of which is expressing your disagreement. If you want to shut up and take it, then PLEASE, do shut up and take it. Don't get on your high horse and berate people who have a different opinion.

    I've got no problem with people asking for things in a reasonable manner. I do have an issue with people screeching and threatening to rage quit, and acting like spoilt brats.

    There has been far too much of the latter on the forum lately. It needs to stop, and people like me will call it out when we see it, because we are fed up if it.

    People on this forum need to grow up, or either the ban hammer will come crashing down or the forum will shut completly.

    Just because this is the internet does not give people the excuse to act like spoilt brats. There's a reason why the mods are closing so many threads lately; the brattish behaviour has gotten out of control.

    Oh, and I gave up on maelstrom normal after three rounds because it got fed up with it.

    People either need to grow up or move on. If they don't, then zos will decide for them sooner or later.
  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    daemonios wrote: »
    It doesn't change the fact that people are throwing their toys out of the pram over a bow or staff or whatever.

    The theatrics shown by some people here is unreal.

    Accept it or move on. It's that simple. 90 to 95% of the player base couldn't care less.

    Are you always this much of a tool? You don't have to take it or leave it. There are other options, one of which is expressing your disagreement. If you want to shut up and take it, then PLEASE, do shut up and take it. Don't get on your high horse and berate people who have a different opinion.

    I've got no problem with people asking for things in a reasonable manner. I do have an issue with people screeching and threatening to rage quit, and acting like spoilt brats.

    There has been far too much of the latter on the forum lately. It needs to stop, and people like me will call it out when we see it, because we are fed up if it.

    People on this forum need to grow up, or either the ban hammer will come crashing down or the forum will shut completly.

    Just because this is the internet does not give people the excuse to act like spoilt brats. There's a reason why the mods are closing so many threads lately; the brattish behaviour has gotten out of control.

    Oh, and I gave up on maelstrom normal after three rounds because it got fed up with it.

    People either need to grow up or move on. If they don't, then zos will decide for them sooner or later.
    With all honest and respect, there is a reason why people are losing their nerves and make quitting threads and stuff... ZOS is to blame for this. Not players. ZOS earned a reputation of "not listening to players feedback" for a reason. And it is not only here on forums. Reddit, Discord, YouTube content creators, end-game players etc. It is not like some people on forums made- it up or something.

    White-knigh-ing bad Corporate decision is the worst we can do.
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    FierceSam wrote: »
    Raudgrani wrote: »
    If you are going to act like a petulant child over a staff or bow or something, perhaps it is best if you leave.

    Feel free to take some of the screechers on the forum with you.

    The forum can then be useful to the game again, as opposed to constant screeching and hyperbole, which does nobody any favours.

    All this bickering and fighting has got to stop. People need to learn to act in a mature manner, or find another game to play.

    Yes. Now probably even you will have the chance to get a Maelstrom weapon, isn't that great news?

    So what you are saying is that people are crying on the forum because it has been made easier to get.

    Elitist much?

    Nope, they are annoyed because ZOS seem to be deliberately denigrating their achievements/work/effort.

    It would be easy for ZOS to either upgrade all existing Maelstrom weapons to the new perfected ones (in which case no one would have any issue with this), or simply provide new, lesser powered ‘normal’ Maelstrom weapons for normal MA clears (which again would cause no issue). ZOS have deliberately chosen not to do this.

    Instead ZOS have declared that everyone’s time spent in vMA is now effectively no more than a normal clear.
    They are essentially saying “f*** your effort and f*** you” to everyone who has done vMA and they are doing it in the most upfront blatant way they can.

    That’s not anti-elitist, or balancing, that’s personal.

    Yeah, that still sounds like the issue is that it's been made easier to get.
    If they hadn't added perfected verions and just made the weapons available in normal, would you still be upset?
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  • Mancombe_Nosehair
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    daemonios wrote: »
    It doesn't change the fact that people are throwing their toys out of the pram over a bow or staff or whatever.

    The theatrics shown by some people here is unreal.

    Accept it or move on. It's that simple. 90 to 95% of the player base couldn't care less.

    Are you always this much of a tool? You don't have to take it or leave it. There are other options, one of which is expressing your disagreement. If you want to shut up and take it, then PLEASE, do shut up and take it. Don't get on your high horse and berate people who have a different opinion.

    I've got no problem with people asking for things in a reasonable manner. I do have an issue with people screeching and threatening to rage quit, and acting like spoilt brats.

    There has been far too much of the latter on the forum lately. It needs to stop, and people like me will call it out when we see it, because we are fed up if it.

    People on this forum need to grow up, or either the ban hammer will come crashing down or the forum will shut completly.

    Just because this is the internet does not give people the excuse to act like spoilt brats. There's a reason why the mods are closing so many threads lately; the brattish behaviour has gotten out of control.

    Oh, and I gave up on maelstrom normal after three rounds because it got fed up with it.

    People either need to grow up or move on. If they don't, then zos will decide for them sooner or later.
    With all honest and respect, there is a reason why people are losing their nerves and make quitting threads and stuff... ZOS is to blame for this. Not players. ZOS earned a reputation of "not listening to players feedback" for a reason. And it is not only here on forums. Reddit, Discord, YouTube content creators, end-game players etc. It is not like some people on forums made- it up or something.

    White-knigh-ing bad Corporate decision is the worst we can do.

    I'm not whiteknighting anybody. I have been more than clear what what is and what isn't performing in my posts lately, and why.

    Clearly, the game has some problems, but it only affects a very small percentage of the population. If there were major all round problems, then the game would not be at it's peak popularity right now. People would be leaving in droves, and the population would be dropping. It's the opposite.

    Some people need to accept that zos either can't or won't fix some issues, particularly Curodil PvP. It's probably too expensive to benefit the tiny percentage of players that use it.

    Throwing toys of the pram repeatedly with such hyperbole will not solve anything. Zos just ignores it.

    There's only so many times you can smash yourself in the face with a brick. People either need to accept the lack of performance is certain areas, or move onto something else.

    Brattish behaviour on the forum solves nothing. The German forum apparently is far move interactive with the he mods, because the forum behaviour is better.
  • Kadoin
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    Nerouyn wrote: »
    Juhasow wrote: »
    Seriously people will leave because of additional 129 wep/spell dmg or something like that on back bar ? OK...

    While it may not be the greatest news to refarm vMA weapons get real about that "leaving the game because of 0,1% DPS difference" meme.

    That's dishonest and unfair.

    In the world of pvp, every ounce of stats matters. If your opponents have even a tiny bit more than you then all other things being equal, we'd bet on the opponents winning.

    Personally I don't pvp and wouldn't invest the effort. Wasn't aware of this. But on examination it doesn't look like great news and people are talking about it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrHFfj33o0w

    The repetitive gear grind treadmill has been a staple of MMOs since their inception, though usually takes the form of increasing the level cap. Games like ESO and GW2 don't do that, but and do crap like this instead. Not outright making already farmed gear obsolete but introducing slight upgrades.

    Point is - obviously this content IS NOT FUN or players would want to do it regardless of rewards. Rather than making this and other content enjoyable, ZO decided to force players back onto the gear treadmill to keep their gear maxed for PvP.

    Just one in a very long line of *** moves they've made over the past couple of years which understandably is going to drive players away.

    How is it an upgrade when they had stats patches ago...?
  • JanTanhide
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    I agree with the OP about just about everything posted. But, I definitely like the 60% reduction in healing linked to Battle Spirit. Seriously, PVPers have been complaining for over a year about the healing in PVP being too strong.

    The best way to lower the healing so as to not impact PVE is to tie it to Battle Spirit. I.M.O. every time the PVP community asks for changes like this it should always be tied to Battle Spirit if possible.

    This is a step in the right direction. For VMA, VDSA and BRP weapons those who have them should have them changed to Perfected versions.
  • Kadoin
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    JanTanhide wrote: »
    I agree with the OP about just about everything posted. But, I definitely like the 60% reduction in healing linked to Battle Spirit. Seriously, PVPers have been complaining for over a year about the healing in PVP being too strong.

    The best way to lower the healing so as to not impact PVE is to tie it to Battle Spirit. I.M.O. every time the PVP community asks for changes like this it should always be tied to Battle Spirit if possible.

    This is a step in the right direction. For VMA, VDSA and BRP weapons those who have them should have them changed to Perfected versions.

    Only those with agendas complained about healing and cheer for the reduction. The game was already titled stam, but it tilts it even more stam, tilts it even more towards ball groups, and makes damage reduction builds even stronger.

    I said it before: blanket nerfs would be a bad idea because they nerf players across the board and certain builds gain power relative to the nerfs, and in this case damage reduction and avoidance builds will gain extreme power over all others.

    Now the same players are complaining about sorc, which makes no sense. What both healing and shield stacking even need to be viable is for there to be a large amount of damage reduction in the first place --- the thing ZOS refuses to address and players on this forum refuse to admit because it will also nerf their own builds and affect mag and stam equally.

    It's funny because I joked "Don't worry ZOS will nerf mag even harder before they ever touch stam" in another thread and I can't believe I was on the mark. Healing was the only thing mag had over stam, and even that was debatable depending on what kind of stam build you used. Now there is zero reason to bother with mag: less damage, less stam to break free and avoid damage, less sustain, and now poorer heal output relative to stam.
  • FlipFlopFrog
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    I hate vMA...soo much..... :#
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  • worrallj
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    I don't even particularly hate vma it's just... Why not raise max gear to cp 200 and say have fun doing everything all over again...and if all the gear vma is the hardest to get people have sunk an insane amount of time into that
    Edited by worrallj on April 19, 2020 12:53PM
  • Universe
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    I can understand quitting the game over poor performance(like constant crashes, severe lag spikes, half of the abilities don't register).
    But quitting over a need to farm some items again isn't exactly logical.

    The entire game doesn't revolve around the old Maelstrom Arena...
    The game can be played efficiently enough without having the perfected weapons.
    Maybe you will do slightly less dps, but nothing to really worry about.
    So you can decide not to re-farm if you really don't like Maelstrom.
    Edited by Universe on April 19, 2020 12:56PM
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    Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
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    FierceSam wrote: »
    Raudgrani wrote: »
    If you are going to act like a petulant child over a staff or bow or something, perhaps it is best if you leave.

    Feel free to take some of the screechers on the forum with you.

    The forum can then be useful to the game again, as opposed to constant screeching and hyperbole, which does nobody any favours.

    All this bickering and fighting has got to stop. People need to learn to act in a mature manner, or find another game to play.

    Yes. Now probably even you will have the chance to get a Maelstrom weapon, isn't that great news?

    So what you are saying is that people are crying on the forum because it has been made easier to get.

    Elitist much?

    Nope, they are annoyed because ZOS seem to be deliberately denigrating their achievements/work/effort.

    It would be easy for ZOS to either upgrade all existing Maelstrom weapons to the new perfected ones (in which case no one would have any issue with this), or simply provide new, lesser powered ‘normal’ Maelstrom weapons for normal MA clears (which again would cause no issue). ZOS have deliberately chosen not to do this.

    Instead ZOS have declared that everyone’s time spent in vMA is now effectively no more than a normal clear. They are essentially saying “f*** your effort and f*** you” to everyone who has done vMA and they are doing it in the most upfront blatant way they can.

    That’s not anti-elitist, or balancing, that’s personal.

    Or why not make the perfected weapons only drop from a perfect vma run? And keep the old vma weapons as they are for completing vma. That way they keep their value and having a perfected version will really be a worthwhile achievement.

    Just an idea.
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