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It is not 10% healing nerf. It is 20%!
We are healing, lets say, 50 hp per heal. In pts we gonna heal 40. Diffrence is 20%.

How to increase healers? Nerf heal to increase demand? No. You buff heal and healers become OP.

ZoS nerf heal. I think classes that did not used much heal will be stronger. Their weaker side is nerfed but other classes'strong side is nerfed

nesakinter wrote: »

So the Battle Spirit healing debuff of 50% is increased to 60%. This is a very commendable approach as it does not affect PvE and currently healing is overpowered in PvP by a long shot for most classes. However, not all classes have tons of heal skills or buffs to rely on. Namely NB.

Magblade lacks any kind of real burst heal whatsoever and needs to stack multiple HoTs to survive, which is not exactly reliable currently, one of the reasons for its current state.
Stamblade has the worst healing in the game ever since the nerf to Dark Cloak Bleed blades. This is clearly shown in nocp PvP, which shows exactly how bad the class' toolkit is, especially in BGs.

NB is currently the worst class to play and the healing nerf will ruin it further. Though, I still believe the healing nerf is needed to balance PvP as a whole, classes with weak healing should be compensated in some way.

@nesakinter
Your logic is completely flawed, friend. You just said so yourself that NBs do not have good burst heals and will continue to have the worst heals and also reduced heals by 20%. How is that balanced?

Do you realise that CP is the actual problem? 30% more healing from red and blue tree plus 33% from Major + Minor Mending which equates to a whopping 63% more self-heals! My guts say that your build isn't optimised and you haven't poured little or some time to give good thoughts on theorycrafting your build. Maybe try to up your resists and include percentage buffs to heals and dmg reduction (minor/manor protection) into your build?
Trust me, if you think the healing nerf is going to be good, it will surely come to haunt you back in an abysmal manner. Mark my words.

If anything, ZOS should tweak CP to reduce the overtuned healing which you are effectively claiming. No-CP Cyro and BG are the most balanced they've ever been now. If ZOS, goes thru with this, it's going to be the nail in the coffin for PvP.

precambria wrote: »

It's probably a good thing, keep in mind it effects everyone so your damage will stick better and your need to sustain that extra healing will be less. The nerf to dots was a proxy buff to healing and blocking, probably dots need buffed again in conjunction with this healing nerf which best part is doesn't affect PVE so it might be headed towards at the very least balance being addressed.

@precambria
No it's not a matter of probability, this is a definite matter that's made worse if the changes go through. Trust me, you're not going to be fine or good with the changes since your healing as it is on Live will be reduced by 20% effectively. It will bite you back, you'll see.

ZOS could, alternatively, tweak the Alliance War skill line passive that buffs heal to cap the healing power.

Wlnamp wrote: »

1x1 battles themselves are very fast.
For an example, the average player on bg has a HP margin of 15k + -.
with crits of 6-8k, this is almost half the health reserve, that is, the duration of the battle is 2-5 seconds.

Yeah - when fighting a "potato" who does not know how to mitigate damage and pressure the attacker back, in which case that sounds about right.

But when 2 skilled players are fighting each other, the fight will usually last much longer than that - even in noCP PvP.
And in CP PvP, 2 skilled players can easily fight for an eternity and never run out of resources.

And about your general BG healing remarks: are you by any chance a relatively new player?
Until the beginning of this year, it was still possible to queue as a group into BGs.
Many such groups had a "dedicated healer" as part of their composition, and it was not uncommon for those groups to finish the match with 0 deaths - and sometimes with 0 kills also, if all 3 teams had a dedicated healer.

BTW, in this context a "dedicated healer" does NOT mean a player who uses nothing else except heals/buffs/debuffs. There's much more to it than that.

With the BG group queue disabled, it is now more important than ever to go into BGs with multiple different gear sets and be prepared to switch gear/build (with addon) as needed, depending on what kind of group you end up with.

This will ruin nbs and stamsorc. I can't imagine how NBs will even play in noCP after this.

There would have been an easier way to adress healing. Remove Cross Healing between groups in Cyrodiil, give Purge a Cooldown in Cyro etc.

Ballzergs are the problem, nothing else.

just saw the ball group (non CP). They perfectly stand under 6 oils, shooting stars and some players (including me) spam Detonation. I don't mind ball groups, but this is out of control.

They should not go through with nerfing healing through battlespirit, they should instead nerf healing on certain skills that overperform and % mitigation thats too easy to achieve.

Unless they individually buff some of NBs healing skills or take a look into adjusting passives, I see the class even worse 6 months from now.

Langeston wrote: »

nsmurfer wrote: »

This will ruin nbs and stamsorc. I can't imagine how NBs will even play in noCP after this.

I'm a magblade and I'm actually looking forward to seeing how these changes pan out — I suspect that it's actually going to be the opposite of that you're saying.

I think that this will be a relative buff to most NBs since we already don't really rely on heals, we rely on damage avoidance. Personally, I think I'm going to like it.

@Langeston There is only so much damage you can avoid. Only NB variant that will gain from this are raw gankers such calurion-zaan magblades, bomblades and snipers, which really doesn't need any buff. The more universal variants of NB does not fully rely on stealth purely and stacks heals as well such as the average hot-stacking magblade and roller stamblade. You will never see a good rollerblade drop Vigor and they refresh Rally much more than any other class. There is a massive nerf to stamblade viability in general.