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Mother's sorrow with what?
ChimpyChumpy
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Hi I'm new to magsorcs and I'm too dumb to figure out what sets work with what.
I don't have trial gear and actually they aren't appealing to me so looking for easily obtainable sets to go with mother's sorrow. The grind for bsw is too brutal so that is out.
What should I pair it with? For monster I have illambris, grothdar, valkyn skoria, probably all the easier to obtain ones. Don't have zaan but I would have to pug to get it.
So julianos, spell strat, torug's pact?
Probably will try a no pet build, but would also like a high aoe build.
Edit to add I do have 2 VMA inferno staves.
Edit again i do have a bunch of bsw even jewels just no weapons.
Edited by ChimpyChumpy on April 17, 2020 3:10PM I don't have trial gear and actually they aren't appealing to me so looking for easily obtainable sets to go with mother's sorrow. The grind for bsw is too brutal so that is out.
What should I pair it with? For monster I have illambris, grothdar, valkyn skoria, probably all the easier to obtain ones. Don't have zaan but I would have to pug to get it.
So julianos, spell strat, torug's pact?
Probably will try a no pet build, but would also like a high aoe build.
Edit to add I do have 2 VMA inferno staves.
Edit again i do have a bunch of bsw even jewels just no weapons.
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Cirantille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If you get MS on weapon and jewellery, gathering BSW is not too grindy
I guess you could get Julianos the easiest
Spell strategist works more for single target but not much critical damage
I wouldn't use Torug becase the health and armour not very necessary0 -
SickleCider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I've been using Mother's Sorrow with Julianos and Illambris since the pleistocene era. It's old hat, but it still works. If you're going to go with Mother's Sorrow + Julianos, I'd advise getting the Apprentice mundus and doubling down on divines traits to get your spell damage up, since both those sets are very crit-oriented. I got the Julianos chest piece as a cuirass for the extra armor, and my head is a medium helmet, and I'm using the Undaunted perk for wearing different armor types. Use whatever monster set appeals to you the most.✨🐦✨ Blackfeather Court Commission ✨🐦✨8 -
BXR_Lonestar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mothers Sorrow paired with Law of Julianos is a good starter pack for a Sorc, so long as you are not running a pet sorc. Pet sorcs go for max magika because their pets' damage only scales with max magika.
You will eventually want to swap out Law of Julianos with a trial set, like False Gods or Siroria to improve your DPS and/or sustain (False Gods has better sustain and general applicability, but a lower damage ceiling than Siroria).
As for monster helms, I've tried them all, and they're all good if you can build to take advantage of what they can do for you (Illambris, Valkyn Skoria), you can adjust your playstyle to maximize damage (Zaan, Molag Kena, Balorgh), but my personal favorites for ease of use and solid damage output are still Maw of the Infernal and Grothdar.
I use Maw when doing boss fights or content with fewer targets, and Grothdar when I want an extra AOE to burn down trash mobs.2 -
ChimpyChumpy✭✭✭I forgot to mention I have two VMA inferno staves, not sure how that would fit in.0
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SidraWillowsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You're not dumb- none of this stuff is intuitive to new players (and in some cases, seasoned vets... aka me). I'm going to assume you're talking about PvE here-
Mother's Sorrow should be considered your "foundational" set, if you will. It pairs wonderfully with pretty much anything, though I wouldn't use Torug's in a PvE DD setting.
For an AoE sorc I'd say that Illambris is probably a good monster set. I personally like Spell Strategist a lot for my other 5-piece set, but Julianos, Draugrkin (not sure what the general consensus is re. this, but I get quite high DPS with it), New Moon Acolyte, or Scathing Mage (I saw a sorc using this in a trial with me and they were pulling awesome DPS) would all work well. If you're not looking to min/max your DPS but rather pull solid numbers, you've got a wide range of options that will all get you above 40k on the 6 mil.1 -
ChimpyChumpy✭✭✭Cirantille wrote: »If you get MS on weapon and jewellery, gathering BSW is not too grindy
I guess you could get Julianos the easiest
Spell strategist works more for single target but not much critical damage
I wouldn't use Torug becase the health and armour not very necessary
So double bar mother's sorrow? Both inferno or one lightning? I do have a bunch of bsw just not the staff.0 -
Cirantille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ChimpyChumpy wrote: »Cirantille wrote: »If you get MS on weapon and jewellery, gathering BSW is not too grindy
I guess you could get Julianos the easiest
Spell strategist works more for single target but not much critical damage
I wouldn't use Torug becase the health and armour not very necessary
So double bar mother's sorrow? Both inferno or one lightning? I do have a bunch of bsw just not the staff.
You mentione having vMA staffs, use one of them on back bar
MS will be active on your front bar, that is where you damage mainly anyway
And vMA effect will be active on your back bar (Wall of elements)1 -
SickleCider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ChimpyChumpy wrote: »Cirantille wrote: »If you get MS on weapon and jewellery, gathering BSW is not too grindy
I guess you could get Julianos the easiest
Spell strategist works more for single target but not much critical damage
I wouldn't use Torug becase the health and armour not very necessary
So double bar mother's sorrow? Both inferno or one lightning? I do have a bunch of bsw just not the staff.
I think you'll want two inferno staves if you're using BSW. If you're going that route, I'd say use a fire-based monster set. I'm not sure if Grothdar, Skoria and Zaan proc BSW, but it kind of makes sense to me on paper. If you're building for Illambris, use a fire and a lightning staff, with opposite enchantments (lighting on the fire and vice versa). That way you can get both of Illambris' procs at the same time.✨🐦✨ Blackfeather Court Commission ✨🐦✨2 -
Granicus✭✭✭What others have suggested, pairing MS with Juliano’s is a good starting set. You could also get New Moon Acolyte crafted, but be aware it has inherent costs. BSW is also good, but you’ll need to do some farming for it. Though with that mix you’d want Inferno staves, where MS are pricy and I’m beginning to believe BSWs are just a myth. 🙂 Next, I’d recommend False God’s Devotion from Sunspire.
I’ve used all the Monster Sets you’ve mentioned and like them, though currently I’m using Slimecraw, which gives you Minor Berserk at all times. Easy to get in Vet Wayrest Sewers 1.Edited by Granicus on April 17, 2020 3:25PMPC/NA
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ChimpyChumpy✭✭✭Thanks everyone given me some food for thought for sure. I created 2 mag sorc so will try pairing a few of these with MS and see what works for me.
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raegun✭✭If you are a pet sorc necropotence is a good body set. Not really better than false gods or siroria which will give you the most bang with their 3 piece minor slayer (if you are doing dungeons or trials), but still scales well with the pet. If you have a vma flame staff that should defiantly be your back bar weapon. it's pretty much the only thing that still makes blockade worth using. another crafted set that works rather well on a sorc is mechanical acuity however wearing this with mother's sorrow is a waste as the 100 percent crit proc negates the crit bonuses of ms. One more set is Succession it's farmable in maelstrom but the staff is difficult to get. It increases the spell damage on the elementals by a significant amount and the uptime is pretty good.0 -
BXR_Lonestar✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you are a pet sorc necropotence is a good body set. Not really better than false gods or siroria which will give you the most bang with their 3 piece minor slayer (if you are doing dungeons or trials), but still scales well with the pet. If you have a vma flame staff that should defiantly be your back bar weapon. it's pretty much the only thing that still makes blockade worth using. another crafted set that works rather well on a sorc is mechanical acuity however wearing this with mother's sorrow is a waste as the 100 percent crit proc negates the crit bonuses of ms. One more set is Succession it's farmable in maelstrom but the staff is difficult to get. It increases the spell damage on the elementals by a significant amount and the uptime is pretty good.
Are you saying that MS/FG or MS/Siroria is better on a pet sorc than a max magika build? Not questioning you personally, but I'm in the midst of making a pet sorc myself and have spent considerable time farming Necropotence. Before I put any more time farming it, I just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing. Everything I've seen online has said that pet damage only scales with max magika, and so I had thought to build a pet sorc with Crafty Alfiqi and Necropotence. I figure with a max magika setup and an altmer, with mage mundus, I can have ~60K magika more or less, which should translate into a lot of damage from the pets. But if that thought process is wrong, I'd like to know now before I invest anymore time, gold, transmute gems, etc. into the build.0 -
raegun✭✭I mean if your going double pets then max magica is best but right now the meta build still has flappy bird and its false gods or siroria/ ms. I would consider the raid set/necro but i don't theorycraft for sorc so take my opinions how you will. I've gotten decent numbers with perf siroria/ ms with a flappy bird using skinnycheek's build. but i only sorc once in a blue moon. I was just trying to give some other options. I normally theory craft for necro and mdk0
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BXR_Lonestar✭✭✭✭✭
✭I mean if your going double pets then max magica is best but right now the meta build still has flappy bird and its false gods or siroria/ ms. I would consider the raid set/necro but i don't theorycraft for sorc so take my opinions how you will. I've gotten decent numbers with perf siroria/ ms with a flappy bird using skinnycheek's build. but i only sorc once in a blue moon. I was just trying to give some other options. I normally theory craft for necro and mdk
No problem, appreciate the input. I'm planning double pet build with Maw of Infernal as monster set. But I'll keep that in mind. Appreciate the input!0 -
Mancombe_Nosehair✭✭✭✭✭What's the opinion on pairing mothers sorrow with crafty alfiq for my Templar?
The city of ash 2 helm is my other set.
Thanks.Edited by Mancombe_Nosehair on April 17, 2020 5:41PM0 -
raegun✭✭Templar doesn't scale near as well with magica. I mean don't get me wrong all mag characters scale with magica however the mag sorc scales a lot better due to their pets. I would say burning spellweave, new moon acolyte, julianos, mechanical acuity would be better if you can't get a trial set. burning spellweave is particularly good for magica templars and magica dks as their primary source of damage is flame. mag dks shine in bsw because its another source of burning for combustion. skoria is pretty good for ranged mag dps especially in fights where you can't zaan. the new set from unhollow grave is of interest to me but i still haven't been able to extensively test it.0
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newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭burning spellweave is particularly good for magica templars and magica dks as their primary source of damage is flame.
I'm still collecting netch's touch to try out a build along with Necropotence for a pet sorc. I'll see how it goes.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
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Malmai✭✭✭✭✭
✭Templar doesn't scale near as well with magica. I mean don't get me wrong all mag characters scale with magica however the mag sorc scales a lot better due to their pets. I would say burning spellweave, new moon acolyte, julianos, mechanical acuity would be better if you can't get a trial set. burning spellweave is particularly good for magica templars and magica dks as their primary source of damage is flame. mag dks shine in bsw because its another source of burning for combustion. skoria is pretty good for ranged mag dps especially in fights where you can't zaan. the new set from unhollow grave is of interest to me but i still haven't been able to extensively test it.
Templars mainly have magic damage not flame...0 -
raegun✭✭succession would be a bit better for that as it gives 550 spell damage as opposed to the 400 of netch's touch. it should be pretty easy to keep up succession. i believe you can farm it in normal maelstrom if you have wrothgar, though you may want to wait until the expac drops to be able to farm normal maelstrom at the same time.1
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✭✭✭✭✭I paired Mother's Sorrow with Bright Throat's Boast for that insane Max Magic and high Crit chance on a Khajiit. Full buff Spell Damage doesn't get to 2800 though but that's okay as a lot of the damage comes from your max magicka and when you're doing crits a majority of the time.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Malmai✭✭✭✭✭
✭I paired Mother's Sorrow with Bright Throat's Boast for that insane Max Magic and high Crit chance on a Khajiit. Full buff Spell Damage doesn't get to 2800 though but that's okay as a lot of the damage comes from your max magicka and when you're doing crits a majority of the time.
Critical chance ? Or critical damage ?0 -
Vildebill✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Julianos is just fine and easy to obtain. New moon acolyte is better and should be easy enough to get if you can get your hands on a crafter (which you will if you ask nicely in zone chat, or get from me if you're on PC EU and still need). Any of those monster sets will do just fine.
Focus more on getting to know the class, understanding the skills and get the hang of a rotation, that will give you so much more in the long run than any sets will
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ChimpyChumpy✭✭✭If you are a pet sorc necropotence is a good body set. Not really better than false gods or siroria which will give you the most bang with their 3 piece minor slayer (if you are doing dungeons or trials), but still scales well with the pet. If you have a vma flame staff that should defiantly be your back bar weapon. it's pretty much the only thing that still makes blockade worth using. another crafted set that works rather well on a sorc is mechanical acuity however wearing this with mother's sorrow is a waste as the 100 percent crit proc negates the crit bonuses of ms. One more set is Succession it's farmable in maelstrom but the staff is difficult to get. It increases the spell damage on the elementals by a significant amount and the uptime is pretty good.
I actually have a magsorc pet setup with necro and plague doctor, it's the alcast single bar but I added ele drain and surge or whatever on the backbar.
This is the build I use for vma because I suck. Trying to build something else with no pets and with 18 character slots I have 3 mag sorcs so will most likely just leave the vma build alone
Edited by ChimpyChumpy on April 18, 2020 5:42PM0 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I paired Mother's Sorrow with Bright Throat's Boast for that insane Max Magic and high Crit chance on a Khajiit. Full buff Spell Damage doesn't get to 2800 though but that's okay as a lot of the damage comes from your max magicka and when you're doing crits a majority of the time.
Critical chance ? Or critical damage ?
Higher Crit chance means you're doing Crits more often than not. Higher Crit dmg with average or lower Crit chance doesn't seem worth it to me as those harder hits aren't frequent.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭Willpower 2 items: Adds 1752 Magicka
3 items: Adds 206 Spell Damage
Grace of the Ancients 2 items: Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
3 items: Adds 2406 Maximum Magicka
Necropotence
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(5 items) While you have a pet active, your Max Magicka is increased by 3150.
Crafty Alfiq
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(4 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(5 items) Adds 2560 Max Magicka
SO if i wanted to go pets:
Crafty and necro = 12,286 max magicka 10 pieces (5+5)
necro, grace, willpower = 11,692 max magicka (5+3+2)
or no perts
crafty, grace, willpower = 11,102 max magicka (5+3+2)
Any max magicka sets i excluded? I think these are all that matter. Bright Throat is too low for consideration really.Edited by Lady_Linux on April 18, 2020 4:02PMI simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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Malmai✭✭✭✭✭
✭I paired Mother's Sorrow with Bright Throat's Boast for that insane Max Magic and high Crit chance on a Khajiit. Full buff Spell Damage doesn't get to 2800 though but that's okay as a lot of the damage comes from your max magicka and when you're doing crits a majority of the time.
Critical chance ? Or critical damage ?
Higher Crit chance means you're doing Crits more often than not. Higher Crit dmg with average or lower Crit chance doesn't seem worth it to me as those harder hits aren't frequent.
What you talking about im asking OP what he wants to talk about... He isnt clear what he wants... I know this game good enough...0
