The real reason group queuing should be allowed for Battlegrounds.

Berek_Bloodfang · April 2020

So yeah, I was upset when they removed the ability for my friends and I to queue up for battlegrounds, since then we've discovered the "real" problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, specifically before the release of Greymoor.

So with Greymoor coming out combined with the covid19 pandemic ESO has seen a massive influx of new and returning players, however us NEW/returning players have run into a problem, which is... the Non-CP PvP content is non-existent. Prior to the change my friends and I just queued up for battlegrounds (which was fun and sufficient), now we have a choice, either go up against people who have 810+ CP or go roam around a completely empty "Non-CP Cyrodiil / Non-CP Imperial City", both of which have very little attendance if at all.

So what do new/returning players do who don't have 810+ CP?? The answer is dueling? nope, can't do that, CP works in duels, battlegrounds?? Nope can't do that, group queuing is not allowed...

So yeah, please consider re-adding some sort of group queue feature to battlegrounds by the launch of your Greymoor expansion otherwise my friends and I are just going to quit, we aren't going to farm 810+ CP to just play PvP together, it's not a realistic expectation of a newer/returning player.

So if you're sitting there with 810+ CP you're probably not worried about any of this, I get it, but do you want new players in your game? Do you want the game to continue to grow and increase? If not then do exactly what you are doing, just continue to ignore these types of changes and posts. However, if you do want these new players to keep playing and you do want the game to grow etc, I highly recommend speaking up and helping change the game in a positive way so newer players have content to do.

tldr; newer players like my friend and I, are not any where near level CP810, the Non-CP Cyrodiil/Imperial City are absolute ghost towns, those are not viable options for us.

Kahnak · April 2020

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

So yeah, I was upset when they removed the ability for my friends and I to queue up for battlegrounds, since then we've discovered the "real" problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, specifically before the release of Greymoor.

So with Greymoor coming out combined with the covid19 pandemic ESO has seen a massive influx of new and returning players, however us NEW/returning players have run into a problem, which is... the Non-CP PvP content is non-existent. Prior to the change my friends and I just queued up for battlegrounds (which was fun and sufficient), now we have a choice, either go up against people who have 810+ CP or go roam around a completely empty "Non-CP Cyrodiil / Non-CP Imperial City", both of which have very little attendance if at all.

So what do new/returning players do who don't have 810+ CP?? The answer is dueling? nope, can't do that, CP works in duels, battlegrounds?? Nope can't do that, group queuing is not allowed...

So yeah, please consider re-adding some sort of group queue feature to battlegrounds by the launch of your Greymoor expansion otherwise my friends and I are just going to quit, we aren't going to farm 810+ CP to just play PvP together, it's not a realistic expectation of a newer/returning player.

So if you're sitting there with 810+ CP you're probably not worried about any of this, I get it, but do you want new players in your game? Do you want the game to continue to grow and increase? If not then do exactly what you are doing, just continue to ignore these types of changes and posts. However, if you do want these new players to keep playing and you do want the game to grow etc, I highly recommend speaking up and helping change the game in a positive way so newer players have content to do.

It's the new players that are complaining, my dude. The complaint is that they are getting beat up by all of the premade groups and all of the BG matches are one sided.

TequilaFire · April 2020

And guess what they are still getting beat up.

Mancombe_Nosehair · April 2020

I'm sorry you can't play with your friends, but the reason for the change was that too many uber groups were ruining it for others, particularly newer players.

Two separate queues would unlikely work, as there wouldn't be enough players and wait times would be huge.

It's unfortunate for the likes of yourself and others, but the battlegrounds have proved to be more popular since the change.

There were always going to be winners and losers from this type of change, and the former is greater in numbers than the latter.

StormeReigns · April 2020

Kahnak wrote: »

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

So yeah, I was upset when they removed the ability for my friends and I to queue up for battlegrounds, since then we've discovered the "real" problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, specifically before the release of Greymoor.

So with Greymoor coming out combined with the covid19 pandemic ESO has seen a massive influx of new and returning players, however us NEW/returning players have run into a problem, which is... the Non-CP PvP content is non-existent. Prior to the change my friends and I just queued up for battlegrounds (which was fun and sufficient), now we have a choice, either go up against people who have 810+ CP or go roam around a completely empty "Non-CP Cyrodiil / Non-CP Imperial City", both of which have very little attendance if at all.

So what do new/returning players do who don't have 810+ CP?? The answer is dueling? nope, can't do that, CP works in duels, battlegrounds?? Nope can't do that, group queuing is not allowed...

So yeah, please consider re-adding some sort of group queue feature to battlegrounds by the launch of your Greymoor expansion otherwise my friends and I are just going to quit, we aren't going to farm 810+ CP to just play PvP together, it's not a realistic expectation of a newer/returning player.

So if you're sitting there with 810+ CP you're probably not worried about any of this, I get it, but do you want new players in your game? Do you want the game to continue to grow and increase? If not then do exactly what you are doing, just continue to ignore these types of changes and posts. However, if you do want these new players to keep playing and you do want the game to grow etc, I highly recommend speaking up and helping change the game in a positive way so newer players have content to do.

It's the new players that are complaining, my dude. The complaint is that they are getting beat up by all of the premade groups and all of the BG matches are one sided.

The complaints against premades wasn't from one specific group, was from all sorts. Ranging from New players to veterans players. Also the complaints didn't offer any solutions outside of knee jerk remove premades; which was done.
As well, those who enjoyed premades at the time rarely offered insight to add a secondary queue for them, also they really didn't band together to show their support for premades/group queue, a large chunk just baited the other side into arguments, belittlements and flame wars.

While I am for premades and a premade queue system, it is time for all supporters of premades to come up with a solid solution. Break it down, and build it up and try to make it nearly flawless as a community and not try to bait each other or those opposed to it, nor buy into others baiting against it. Not one idea will bring it back. Though, building from past ideas and this one to make a perfect argument to bring group queue back for BGs is a start to the right direction.

Vevvev · April 2020

TequilaFire wrote: »

And guess what they are still getting beat up.

Exactly! The Battlegrounds feel like shooting fish in a barrel right now, and if you manage to get a team with good PVPers, it becomes even more stacked! Used to be people grouped up to have a fighting chance but not anymore. I miss group queuing...

Taleof2Cities · April 2020

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

So yeah, I was upset when they removed the ability for my friends and I to queue up for battlegrounds, since then we've discovered the "real" problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, specifically before the release of Greymoor.

What is your opinion on pre-made groups, @paul.olesonb14_ESO?

I see you carefully omitted discussing it in the OP ...

oxygen_thief · April 2020

you can decorate a house with your friends. jokes aside at least you can join and roam empty nocp. i cant do that because i have perma 999+ ping this week. appreciate what you have

Berek_Bloodfang · April 2020

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

So yeah, I was upset when they removed the ability for my friends and I to queue up for battlegrounds, since then we've discovered the "real" problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, specifically before the release of Greymoor.

What is your opinion on pre-made groups, @paul.olesonb14_ESO?

I see you carefully omitted discussing it in the OP ...

I have no stance on premade groups, they are in every game, always has been, always will be, it's a "multiplayer game", thus it's expected to run into groups of people playing together??

TequilaFire · April 2020

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

So yeah, I was upset when they removed the ability for my friends and I to queue up for battlegrounds, since then we've discovered the "real" problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, specifically before the release of Greymoor.

What is your opinion on pre-made groups, @paul.olesonb14_ESO?

I see you carefully omitted discussing it in the OP ...

I have no stance on premade groups, they are in every game, always has been, always will be, it's a "multiplayer game", thus it's expected to run into groups of people playing together??

Agreed basic fact of multiplayer games, problem is so many want to turn this into a solo game.

Berek_Bloodfang · April 2020

TequilaFire wrote: »

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

So yeah, I was upset when they removed the ability for my friends and I to queue up for battlegrounds, since then we've discovered the "real" problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, specifically before the release of Greymoor.

What is your opinion on pre-made groups, @paul.olesonb14_ESO?

I see you carefully omitted discussing it in the OP ...

I have no stance on premade groups, they are in every game, always has been, always will be, it's a "multiplayer game", thus it's expected to run into groups of people playing together??

Agreed basic fact of multiplayer games, problem is so many want to turn this into a solo game.

Do people not realize they can go play Skyrim?? I am here to play (WITH) people....

thechiefisback · April 2020

Is there a chance that you can play with your friends again in battlegrounds in this multiplayer game with the start of Greymoor instead of playing with random persons you don't even know? Many people I know and myself would appreciate that very much. It's really no fun playing alone. If you want to keep it like that then please create at least another queue for people who want to play with friends. Please don't let battlegrounds get abandoned @ZOS_GinaBruno :'(

Taleof2Cities · April 2020

thechiefisback wrote: »

Is there a chance that you can play with your friends again in battlegrounds in this multiplayer game with the start of Greymoor instead of playing with random persons you don't even know? Many people I know and myself would appreciate that very much. It's really no fun playing alone. If you want to keep it like that then please create at least another queue for people who want to play with friends. Please don't let battlegrounds get abandoned @ZOS_GinaBruno :'(

Splitting the queue won't work, @thechiefisback ... as it will make the queue longer on both sides (both solo and pre-made).

Any reason why you can't play with friends in Cyrodiil or Imperial City??

Ri_Khan · April 2020

I still can't believe they removed group queuing. Is it really not possible to have both? None of this even makes sense to me.

Jeremy · April 2020

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

So yeah, I was upset when they removed the ability for my friends and I to queue up for battlegrounds, since then we've discovered the "real" problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, specifically before the release of Greymoor.

So with Greymoor coming out combined with the covid19 pandemic ESO has seen a massive influx of new and returning players, however us NEW/returning players have run into a problem, which is... the Non-CP PvP content is non-existent. Prior to the change my friends and I just queued up for battlegrounds (which was fun and sufficient), now we have a choice, either go up against people who have 810+ CP or go roam around a completely empty "Non-CP Cyrodiil / Non-CP Imperial City", both of which have very little attendance if at all.

So what do new/returning players do who don't have 810+ CP?? The answer is dueling? nope, can't do that, CP works in duels, battlegrounds?? Nope can't do that, group queuing is not allowed...

So yeah, please consider re-adding some sort of group queue feature to battlegrounds by the launch of your Greymoor expansion otherwise my friends and I are just going to quit, we aren't going to farm 810+ CP to just play PvP together, it's not a realistic expectation of a newer/returning player.

So if you're sitting there with 810+ CP you're probably not worried about any of this, I get it, but do you want new players in your game? Do you want the game to continue to grow and increase? If not then do exactly what you are doing, just continue to ignore these types of changes and posts. However, if you do want these new players to keep playing and you do want the game to grow etc, I highly recommend speaking up and helping change the game in a positive way so newer players have content to do.

I would have preferred they just given players the option to avoid premade groups when signing up for battlegrounds. But something needed to be done. Because there is nothing fun (or fair) when four random strangers are matched against an organized team that's coordinating together. It would be like picking 11 random people off the streets and then making them play against a professional sports team. It they did that, it would be domination, and that's exactly what was happening in battlegrounds.

Do bad players still get their butts kicked by good players? Sure. But you no longer see the same four players slaughtering every game with some cheesy strategy a group of randoms have no chance against. Random battlegrounds should stay random battlegrounds. Maybe they should add a tournament queue or something for premades to compete with each other in or something like that.

Also: friends can still queue up and go to Cyrodil together. So you can always do that if you and your friend want to PvP together.

thechiefisback · April 2020

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

thechiefisback wrote: »

Is there a chance that you can play with your friends again in battlegrounds in this multiplayer game with the start of Greymoor instead of playing with random persons you don't even know? Many people I know and myself would appreciate that very much. It's really no fun playing alone. If you want to keep it like that then please create at least another queue for people who want to play with friends. Please don't let battlegrounds get abandoned @ZOS_GinaBruno :'(

Splitting the queue won't work, @thechiefisback ... as it will make the queue longer on both sides (both solo and pre-made).

Any reason why you can't play with friends in Cyrodiil or Imperial City??

Well you have to be in the same alliance to play together. Just as easy as that. If you are from different alliances it's hard to play together.

thechiefisback · April 2020

Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »

I'm sorry you can't play with your friends, but the reason for the change was that too many uber groups were ruining it for others, particularly newer players.

Two separate queues would unlikely work, as there wouldn't be enough players and wait times would be huge.

It's unfortunate for the likes of yourself and others, but the battlegrounds have proved to be more popular since the change.

There were always going to be winners and losers from this type of change, and the former is greater in numbers than the latter.

I don't know about the popularity. Where did you hear about that? In my guild no one is playing battlegrounds anymore since it's just no fun playing alone in a multiplayer game. And we used to play it a lot.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · April 2020

Kahnak wrote: »

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

So yeah, I was upset when they removed the ability for my friends and I to queue up for battlegrounds, since then we've discovered the "real" problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, specifically before the release of Greymoor.

So with Greymoor coming out combined with the covid19 pandemic ESO has seen a massive influx of new and returning players, however us NEW/returning players have run into a problem, which is... the Non-CP PvP content is non-existent. Prior to the change my friends and I just queued up for battlegrounds (which was fun and sufficient), now we have a choice, either go up against people who have 810+ CP or go roam around a completely empty "Non-CP Cyrodiil / Non-CP Imperial City", both of which have very little attendance if at all.

So what do new/returning players do who don't have 810+ CP?? The answer is dueling? nope, can't do that, CP works in duels, battlegrounds?? Nope can't do that, group queuing is not allowed...

So yeah, please consider re-adding some sort of group queue feature to battlegrounds by the launch of your Greymoor expansion otherwise my friends and I are just going to quit, we aren't going to farm 810+ CP to just play PvP together, it's not a realistic expectation of a newer/returning player.

So if you're sitting there with 810+ CP you're probably not worried about any of this, I get it, but do you want new players in your game? Do you want the game to continue to grow and increase? If not then do exactly what you are doing, just continue to ignore these types of changes and posts. However, if you do want these new players to keep playing and you do want the game to grow etc, I highly recommend speaking up and helping change the game in a positive way so newer players have content to do.

It's the new players that are complaining, my dude. The complaint is that they are getting beat up by all of the premade groups and all of the BG matches are one sided.

new players qq about premades? im sorry but like me there are many others who just enjoy going solo in bgs for the sake of randoms...having 1-2 snowball beamplar groups that literally laser down every1 1 by 1 and u cant kill them cuz 398593859385 heals and snares is no real fun, worse if 1 plays a proper pvp tank and they cant kill him then they start hatemailing which is more than satisfying but that is complete crap since pvp tank is boring as hell especially solo

Kel · April 2020

Still don't understand the "This is a multiplayer game, not solo Skyrim" argument.

You're still put on a team with 3 other real people, not like you're put on a team of NPC's. All jokes about how your teammates play aside, it's still a multiplayer game. The only difference is that your not getting to choose those players.
It's not a solo experience at all. Saying it is is just a false narrative.
And I can't think of anyone who was strongly against having an option for two separate queues, you (in general) believing they would work or not.

BNOC · April 2020

OP, the irony in what you’re saying is real 😂.

Can’t fight 810’s, duel etc because you’re at a disadvantage, but are happily asking for advantages.

Are you alright with 2 queues? (which was suggested by everyone that wanted solo q) that way, premades can play other groups and solo players can stick to solo players. You’ll just have to face up against 4 man groups, but clearly that’s fine in your eyes.

Also, with front loaded cp, you can duel just fine if you wanted to.

So.. the real problem is actually match making right? Because it wouldn’t matter what size group you were in if you were being matched fairly.
Problem is, they will put you in a group with me, a 5 year almost daily active player and expect you to be able to keep up - you don’t want that and I don’t want that. If you were in a game with Timmy 300cp and Tommy 288cp, you’d have a better time. Talk about match making instead.

thechiefisback wrote: »

Please don't let battlegrounds get abandoned @ZOS_GinaBruno :'(

BGs are more populated than ever..

Qbiken · April 2020

Kel wrote: »

Still don't understand the "This is a multiplayer game, not solo Skyrim" argument.

You're still put on a team with 3 other real people, not like you're put on a team of NPC's. All jokes about how your teammates play aside, it's still a multiplayer game. The only difference is that your not getting to choose those players.
It's not a solo experience at all. Saying it is is just a false narrative.
And I can't think of anyone who was strongly against having an option for two separate queues, you (in general) believing they would work or not.

The underlying problem is still the poorly implemented mmr system, regardless of the state of the queue system. My situation currently:

* Cyrodil is a laggy mess and me and the two people I play with can't play there at all. We've 5-6 seconds delay on all of our skills/actions and sometimes stuff doesn't even go off at all. Cyrodil isn't an option for organized group play (and we despise large scale PvP, so zerging is out of question)

* How about IC then? Well, on the platform I play (pc/eu) nocp IC (our group prefer nocp) is a ghost town. CP ic is dead 90% of the time but you can occasionally find some action, but we are forced to play CP which we don't really want to.

* That leaves battlegrounds as the only viable PvP, but we can't play together. We can queue at the same time and pray we might end up in the same match on the same team but that's about it. BG's now (especially deathmatch) is basically a race to see which of the high mmr players can kill the casuals in each enemy team first. It's a joke.

I literally can't PvP with my friends for reasons stated above. Previous to this patch I could at least do BG's with a friend or two if cyrodil or ic wasn't an option (and on pceu whenever you tried to queu as a 3-4 man we would in 9/10 games be up against similar known premades, so no intentional pug stomping). Seperating queues won't work because it will lead to 45-60 minutes queue times.

Tommy_The_Gun · April 2020

The only way I see pre-made groups returning to BGs is if they will fight other pre-made groups. This will require 2 queues (mm changes) so you won't have this auto-lose matches when one team was random solo player and the other pre-made group with build synergies, combos and good communication.

When BGs had grouping turned "on", it was the source of so far too many "call for nerf" and toxicity... Too many skills & abilities fell victim to that. Bcouse some ppl were using something in BGs, that in that particular scenario, seem to be game breaking.

perolord · April 2020

I do not get it still.. just a simple solution... PRE-MADE QUEUE and when you are 2 more in group queing together, you can queue only in PRE-MADE QUEUE... simple as that, resolved in many many other MMORPGS...

daim · April 2020

Ri_Khan wrote: »

I still can't believe they removed group queuing. Is it really not possible to have both? None of this even makes sense to me.

imo this would be the best option. premades vs premades and random vs random. I don't understand either why they would not make it so, not that I would play either but looking from outside this would make sense.

Mancombe_Nosehair · April 2020

thechiefisback wrote: »

Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »

I'm sorry you can't play with your friends, but the reason for the change was that too many uber groups were ruining it for others, particularly newer players.

Two separate queues would unlikely work, as there wouldn't be enough players and wait times would be huge.

It's unfortunate for the likes of yourself and others, but the battlegrounds have proved to be more popular since the change.

There were always going to be winners and losers from this type of change, and the former is greater in numbers than the latter.

I don't know about the popularity. Where did you hear about that? In my guild no one is playing battlegrounds anymore since it's just no fun playing alone in a multiplayer game. And we used to play it a lot.

Two things, the general responses not in the forum, and an actual poll on here itself, which showed that 51% of players were either playing bg's more than or the same as before (more than was the highest vote by a big margin). The poll is back a few pages.

thechiefisback · April 2020

Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »

thechiefisback wrote: »

Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »

I'm sorry you can't play with your friends, but the reason for the change was that too many uber groups were ruining it for others, particularly newer players.

Two separate queues would unlikely work, as there wouldn't be enough players and wait times would be huge.

It's unfortunate for the likes of yourself and others, but the battlegrounds have proved to be more popular since the change.

There were always going to be winners and losers from this type of change, and the former is greater in numbers than the latter.

I don't know about the popularity. Where did you hear about that? In my guild no one is playing battlegrounds anymore since it's just no fun playing alone in a multiplayer game. And we used to play it a lot.

Two things, the general responses not in the forum, and an actual poll on here itself, which showed that 51% of players were either playing bg's more than or the same as before (more than was the highest vote by a big margin). The poll is back a few pages.

Yeah and almost a fourth completely stopped playing bgs because of that change.

Xologamer · April 2020

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

So yeah, I was upset when they removed the ability for my friends and I to queue up for battlegrounds, since then we've discovered the "real" problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, specifically before the release of Greymoor.

So with Greymoor coming out combined with the covid19 pandemic ESO has seen a massive influx of new and returning players, however us NEW/returning players have run into a problem, which is... the Non-CP PvP content is non-existent. Prior to the change my friends and I just queued up for battlegrounds (which was fun and sufficient), now we have a choice, either go up against people who have 810+ CP or go roam around a completely empty "Non-CP Cyrodiil / Non-CP Imperial City", both of which have very little attendance if at all.

So what do new/returning players do who don't have 810+ CP?? The answer is dueling? nope, can't do that, CP works in duels, battlegrounds?? Nope can't do that, group queuing is not allowed...

So yeah, please consider re-adding some sort of group queue feature to battlegrounds by the launch of your Greymoor expansion otherwise my friends and I are just going to quit, we aren't going to farm 810+ CP to just play PvP together, it's not a realistic expectation of a newer/returning player.

So if you're sitting there with 810+ CP you're probably not worried about any of this, I get it, but do you want new players in your game? Do you want the game to continue to grow and increase? If not then do exactly what you are doing, just continue to ignore these types of changes and posts. However, if you do want these new players to keep playing and you do want the game to grow etc, I highly recommend speaking up and helping change the game in a positive way so newer players have content to do.

tldr; newer players like my friend and I, are not any where near level CP810, the Non-CP Cyrodiil/Imperial City are absolute ghost towns, those are not viable options for us.

is the no cp campaign rly that dead? i played there maybe a halfe year ago active (before i switchted to cp) and there was nearly same amount on cp and no cp campaign

Xologamer · April 2020

Xologamer wrote: »

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

So yeah, I was upset when they removed the ability for my friends and I to queue up for battlegrounds, since then we've discovered the "real" problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, specifically before the release of Greymoor.

So with Greymoor coming out combined with the covid19 pandemic ESO has seen a massive influx of new and returning players, however us NEW/returning players have run into a problem, which is... the Non-CP PvP content is non-existent. Prior to the change my friends and I just queued up for battlegrounds (which was fun and sufficient), now we have a choice, either go up against people who have 810+ CP or go roam around a completely empty "Non-CP Cyrodiil / Non-CP Imperial City", both of which have very little attendance if at all.

So what do new/returning players do who don't have 810+ CP?? The answer is dueling? nope, can't do that, CP works in duels, battlegrounds?? Nope can't do that, group queuing is not allowed...

So yeah, please consider re-adding some sort of group queue feature to battlegrounds by the launch of your Greymoor expansion otherwise my friends and I are just going to quit, we aren't going to farm 810+ CP to just play PvP together, it's not a realistic expectation of a newer/returning player.

So if you're sitting there with 810+ CP you're probably not worried about any of this, I get it, but do you want new players in your game? Do you want the game to continue to grow and increase? If not then do exactly what you are doing, just continue to ignore these types of changes and posts. However, if you do want these new players to keep playing and you do want the game to grow etc, I highly recommend speaking up and helping change the game in a positive way so newer players have content to do.

tldr; newer players like my friend and I, are not any where near level CP810, the Non-CP Cyrodiil/Imperial City are absolute ghost towns, those are not viable options for us.

is the no cp campaign rly that dead? i played there maybe a halfe year ago active (before i switchted to cp) and there was nearly same amount on cp and no cp campaign

and btw if u dont go play the no cp campaign (if it is rly that dead) it want change because everyone will than think like this...

lelink88 · April 2020

why not make group queue mode ? for group of 2 and 4 only

Lotus781 · April 2020

Who would want to play Battlegrounds anyways, it's full of vets with no time for new players only time to be abusive and trolling, i can see why thay gave it away for free who would pay for that?

Mancombe_Nosehair · April 2020

thechiefisback wrote: »

Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »

thechiefisback wrote: »

Mancombe_Nosehair wrote: »

I'm sorry you can't play with your friends, but the reason for the change was that too many uber groups were ruining it for others, particularly newer players.

Two separate queues would unlikely work, as there wouldn't be enough players and wait times would be huge.

It's unfortunate for the likes of yourself and others, but the battlegrounds have proved to be more popular since the change.

There were always going to be winners and losers from this type of change, and the former is greater in numbers than the latter.

I don't know about the popularity. Where did you hear about that? In my guild no one is playing battlegrounds anymore since it's just no fun playing alone in a multiplayer game. And we used to play it a lot.

Two things, the general responses not in the forum, and an actual poll on here itself, which showed that 51% of players were either playing bg's more than or the same as before (more than was the highest vote by a big margin). The poll is back a few pages.

Yeah and almost a fourth completely stopped playing bgs because of that change.

You're quite right in that a sizeable amount of players have stopped as a result. It is still a small amount by comparison.

There were always going to be winners and losers from the type of change. The winners do outweigh the losers by a clear margin, but I do understand your frustration, particularly those who were playing as pairs.

As I mentioned before, it is the uber groups and players that have caused this change, particularly of low level BG'S.

There's a thread going on at the moment about someone who repeatedly deletes level 50 characters and starts new ones just to do battlegrounds.

He has every right to do this, and is clearly having fun doing so, but others are having a miserable time playing against him. You could argue in either side's favour. Both have a point.