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newbie question about PvP

Leukedonia
Hello all I am a relatively new player (started 10 days ago) and I will be reaching CP 160 in a day or less.
I have a few newbie questions to ask.

1. Can a CP 160 character with decent gear (at least purple) compete well with other max CP characters in BGs and No CP cyrodiil? assuming CP 160 player improves his/her PvP mechanics etc???
I've been getting wrecked at BGs and i know my gear set is trash (only 1.5k weapon damage) and i know my PvP skills need a huge improvement but im wondering if i will ALSO need to reach max CP to enjoy PvP.

2. I plan on getting decent gear for CP 160 soon. Planning on getting gold gear for weapon and purple for other items. How much in-game gold should I expect to spend to get the decent gear set? Currently I have about 200k gold. I can probably get some help from guildies for crafting.

Thankyou
  • Leukedonia
    3. Also I still have a Re-spec scroll that I haven't used. Magplar or Stamplar, which one is more suitable for PvP? Thank you
  • Alucardo
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    Yeah, as long as you have CP160 gear at a decent quality you should be fine in No-CP PvP. Once you hit 160 your champion point level no longer matters in no-cp instances. The rest is down to the actual build you're running and how you play it. I, myself, can only afford purple gear, BUT I do always make sure to have gold weapons because that actually makes a pretty big difference to your damage and healing. So if anything, I would recommend farming tempers, or making some gold to buy some yourself.
    1.5k/wd is super low.. With such low damage (and also depending on your max stamina) your damage and healing probably won't be enough to contend with more experienced players. Ensure all your armor has appropriate glyphs, including your jewelry. Check your passives too. Essentially you'll want to make sure you have every class passive as well as the weapon tree of choice.
    Food/drink is also important. These days I still run with Dubious Comoran throne for the max health, stam and regen. On characters with lots of health I can get away with Lava Foot Soup-and-Saltrice. Remember, the more max stam you have, the more healing and damage you'll output. So it's important to make sure you have, at the very least, around 30k.
  • fred4
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    It sounds like you've done your research already. Yes, weapons are well worth golding out, other gear not really. Prices for gold tempers are fairly static. Expect to pay at least as much as 8 of those for a gold weapon. 200K should be enough to get you started, if spent carefully.

    https://tamrieltradecentre.com/

    CP are turned off in no CP Cyro / IC and BGs. They don't matter. They're not the only thing to level, though. To become a fully fledged character you need Undaunted Mettle (Level 9 Undaunted) and you probably want Fighter's Guild passives as a stamplar. Magplar may want Mage's Guild skill line, but can live without it.

    Next is Alchemy. You want the Medicinal Use passive. Also, if you're using expensive gold foods, the Provisioning passives prolong the duration. This is useful to get better value out of Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia in particular, should you use that for levelling.

    If you are a magplar, you'll either want to be a vamp, for Mist Form, or you will want the Psijic skill line, at least levelled as far as Race Against Time. Indispensable.

    Stamplar and magplar are both good. I would probably choose the variation that best suits your race, though you should probably experiment with both. Sweeps / Jabs does a ton of damage. One issue you may have is that this class is IMO best played very aggressively (unless you go for a healer) and that only comes with experience.

    This class sustains well. I find you can easily go for New Moon Acolyte on the main bar, so I'd probably recommend that. While I prefer a lightning staff on magplar, a 2H sword should also be viable. I'd make / get a gold Nirnhoned 2H New Moon Acolyte greatsword. This particular weapon is optimal for a stamplar Onslaught build, but will also work well on a magplar. This should be your main investment at this time.
    Edited by fred4 on April 13, 2020 4:39AM
    PC EU: Magblade (PvP main), DK (PvE Tank), Sorc (PvP and PvE), Magden (PvE Healer), Magplar (PvP and PvE DD), Arcanist (PvE DD)
    PC NA: Magblade (PvP and PvE every role)
  • geonsocal
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    enjoy the journey...you'll get there (higher level cp with pvp experience)...it's going to take time and patience though...

    I'd suggest first building for defense (damage mitigation, healing), then work on sustain, then damage output...

    learn to block, roll dodge, time your ultimate and potion use...figure out what rotation you want to use on your two bars...identify two sets that you think will work with your build, farm them...

    start leveling your crafting (takes about 18 months) - especially enchanting, glyphs aren't too expensive, but, better to make your own...in another year or so when you start getting more comfortable with the game it will help a lot...you'll want to be able to re-trait the gear you acquire...

    I'd suggest heading down the magplar road...resto/destro weapons...try your best to synergize your race, mundus, gear and rotations...

    make sure you're using a food or drink buff...also, super important to quickslot and use pots (the seige merchant pots are fine for just starting out)...

    you may need to farm either a zone, or dungeon to get your gear...if you set yourself up as a healer, you'll queue for dungeons much quicker...also easier to find groups in cyrodiil as a healer - everybody loves a healer, until they die :)

    my suggestion would be either crafty alfiq or bright throat boast and rattlecage...real simple, basic sets...not too hard or expensive to get...use some sets two piece bonus until you can collect your monster gear...

    as you collect AP super important to keep an eye out for "the golden" at your cyrodiil home base...you'll need to collect some good monster sets like earthgore or troll king (if you go the healer route)...

    more than anything: be patient and have fun...you're going to die a lot for a while...try to do your best to learn to play with your allies...

    if you get the chance, try to find a decent guild (one with a lot of members and which gets a regular trader)...you're going to need to sell stuff for a while to build up your gold...

    feed your mount everyday...if you play cyro, mount speed and stamina are really important...
    Edited by geonsocal on April 13, 2020 8:14AM
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  • fred4
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    geonsocal wrote: »
    I'd suggest first building for defense (damage mitigation, healing), then work on sustain, then damage output...
    To elaborate with my take on this. When I first ventured into Cyrodiil on my DK a long time ago, I discovered Reactive Armor, which made me hard to kill. That can be a nice confidence boost, but I find going with outright tanky sets is ultimately a dead end. You will only be able to kill the weakest players. Better to learn on a balanced setup.

    Should you go with Rattlecage + a magicka set (Bright Throat's, Alfiq), I'd still suggest light armor. Templar has a crit damage passive. Using heavy armor nerfs your damage substantially on magicka classes, but especially on templar and nightblade. I find it best to get some tankiness from the monster set, for example by wearing 1x Chudan + 1x Pirate Skeleton.

    There are many takes on what you should do. Rattlecage gives you Major Sorcery, so you don't have to slot Degeneration or get that from a potion.

    An open question is how you will cover your stamina requirements for break free, sprint and occasional roll dodge. Being a vampire (Mist Form) can help work around that as can running the Psijic Meditate skill (Deep Thoughts). This is something you can turn into a whole build philosophy. Google the Phalanx build on YouTube.

    I personally cover my stamina requirements either by running Restoring Focus on magplar or by wearing Amber Plasm. The former has the advantage that you still regenerate stamina while blocking or sprinting. It's a technique I'm quite fond of on magicka characters, but you need to find mag regen elsewhere.

    Magplars benefit from a little tankiness (via monster set), because you let your health run down, then you heal. If that happens too quickly, it's dangerous. Building for defense in PvP has a lot to do with healing. You want to have more than Honor the Dead. In fact, Honor the Dead should only be your emergency heal. If you get backed into spamming that, you're basically already dead. You want more healing, stacked from various sources, such as Extended Ritual, Living Dark, a Restore Health enchant on your weapon, Radiating Regeneration and possibly the resto ult on your back bar. An alternative approach is to go either 1H + Shield or ice staff on the back bar, for the blocking passive.

    If you are a stamplar, you'll probably want Rally AND Vigor and you may choose to run Troll King as a monster set. A balanced build pattern that will work on any stamina class and combines good damage with defense is the following:

    New Moon Acolyte front bar
    Seventh Legion back bar
    2x Blessing of Potentates jewelry
    Bloodspawn monster set
    Steed mundus
    Gold food

    This build pattern will net you 2K+ permanent health regen, when you include a standard potion, as well as 5% damage reduction from players and can be crafted in medium or heavy. My DK has up to 5800 weapon damage with this setup in CP.
    learn to block, roll dodge, time your ultimate and potion use
    Yeah, can't stress enough how much experience counts and how important movement and use of the environment is. Ultimately this is the main thing that distinguishes good players from beginners and why they will trounce you every time. Gear only counts for maybe 30%.

    I find the best way to train is by duelling.
    PC EU: Magblade (PvP main), DK (PvE Tank), Sorc (PvP and PvE), Magden (PvE Healer), Magplar (PvP and PvE DD), Arcanist (PvE DD)
    PC NA: Magblade (PvP and PvE every role)
  • fred4
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    geonsocal wrote: »
    also easier to find groups in cyrodiil as a healer - everybody loves a healer.
    Healers are usually in demand in big groups. They're very much part of siege gameplay at prime time and a good way to make AP too.

    I play solo or in small groups open world and I'll be contrary and say that I do NOT like playing with healers. On my nightblade I actively hate them, because some of their skills (Regeneration) expose where I am. For groups of 2 or 3 people you IMO want all damage dealers who are able to take care of themselves and who have some coordination to focus down a target without hitting like a wet noodle. Nothing wrong with helping the group by throwing around a few Honor the Deads but I wouldn't specifically build for being a healer in a small group. Four people upwards maybe that starts to change.

    If and when @Iskiab turns up in this thread, I expect he will vehemently disagree with me, because he plays part healers / part damage dealers in BGs. Should you wish to go that route, I expect he will have some good advice for you. His builds usually look pretty alien to me :).
    PC EU: Magblade (PvP main), DK (PvE Tank), Sorc (PvP and PvE), Magden (PvE Healer), Magplar (PvP and PvE DD), Arcanist (PvE DD)
    PC NA: Magblade (PvP and PvE every role)
  • Leukedonia
    Thank you for the answer guys.

    I looked into New Moon Acolyte but weapons were pretty dang expensive lol.

    I did change to Magplar by the way.
    I think it will be more fun in my opinion.
    Also, gold weapons seem to be cheaper for Magplar than Stamplar lol
    I don't know if that was a right decision since my race is Orc but we will see.
    Worst case scenario, i change it back to stamplar in the near future.

    @fred4 you mentioned Phalanx build
    this is what i got:

    Breton Templar
    64 magicka/0 health/0 stamina
    x5 Spinner's Garments (x5 Body)
    x5 Cyrodiil's Light (Jewlery/Destro Staff/Sword&Board)
    x2 Valkyn Skoria (Undaunted Helmet/Shoulder)
    Mage Mundus
    Tri Stat Food and Tri-Potions


    Is this the correct one?
    I just want to make sure because I saw alot different builds from Alcast alone.
    One build recommends putting stats in Magicka + Stamina, another build tells u to put some stats in health, go all magicka, etc.
  • fred4
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    That sounds about right. I assume you watched the YouTube video? The main feature of that build is using Meditate, followed by a free cast of Mist Form, if you get interrupted. That's why you wear Cyrodiil's Light over other damage reduction options.

    Spinner should still be decent. Other damage sets that are somewhat interchangeable include Spell Strategist, New Moon Acolyte, Auroran's Thunder, Overwhelming Surge, Scathing Mage ... even plain old Julianos.

    Skoria is the aggressive option. I'd experiment with other monster sets as well. Bloodspawn, Troll King and 2x resistance pieces are some of my standard alternatives.

    Mage mundus + tri-stat food may leave your sustain on the low side. If you feel you need more sustain, I'd use the Atronach mundus. Templar likes spell damage. I'd go with the Atronach and keep spell damage enchants, rather than going with a magicka recovery enchant on jewelry. Use Sugar Skulls, if you can afford it.
    Edited by fred4 on April 15, 2020 11:53AM
    PC EU: Magblade (PvP main), DK (PvE Tank), Sorc (PvP and PvE), Magden (PvE Healer), Magplar (PvP and PvE DD), Arcanist (PvE DD)
    PC NA: Magblade (PvP and PvE every role)
  • Nestor
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    Leukedonia wrote: »


    Is this the correct one?
    I just want to make sure because I saw alot different builds from Alcast alone.
    One build recommends putting stats in Magicka + Stamina, another build tells u to put some stats in health, go all magicka, etc.

    Here is the thing to keep in mind with Builds. Gear is a small part, your Rotation is the key to success in this game. Not just the skills but how you apply them. There are dozens of viable builds out there, the key is to find that one that fits how you play and supports the rotation that makes the most sense to you.

    Also, the difference between 20K and 60K DPS, or more, is all down to the Rotation and how you run it. I have sat next to Alcast and other Theorycrafters and watched them play. They have perfect Muscle Memory and can apply a perfect rotation. The rest of us, figure out what works best for us.

    Now, to your question. I forget the one shot threshold exactly, and it changes from time to time. I am not sure the threshold in PvP, but you have Battle Spirit giving you a chunk of the stats. I think it is around 17K to 18K in PvE, so 24K? in PvP? Again, let someone else answer that. Anyway, you want to be at or near a certain health value.

    Or, be a Glass Canon. :p



    Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.

    PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
    Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"

  • Nestor
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    Finally, heed this thread. It will do more to keep you alive than just about anything else out there. I am saying this assuming you know how and when to Block, Interrupt, Roll Dodge and get out of Red

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/279426/damage-mitigation-explanation-updated-15-07-2019/p1
    Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.

    PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
    Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"

  • angelofdeath333
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    Yes you can compete against max lvl players (some atleast) you will be att a disadvantage when it comes to mitigation/healing/sustain/dmg. But its possible. Once you hit cp 160 you reach the cap for Gear, which means that you can fully optimize your build and get the Gear that best Suits you. Its all about burst/defense and knowing when to be defensive. Can you eat as much dmg as you can with max cp? No. But you can avoid dmg in other ways. Start practicing now and you'll be a beast once you reach cp810. Also make sure your weapons are Gold, the rest can be purple.
    Edited by angelofdeath333 on April 16, 2020 7:48AM
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