It is very unlikely that zeni will end the ESO subscription. It’s their most reliable revenue stream, and exists in addition to The chapter and crown purchases. Why would any viable game studio willingly cut off a highly adopted financial model?

Khatou wrote: »

These days we're overflowing with various subscriptions for everything, so I'm wondering, wouldn't it be possible for MMORPGs these days, like ESO, for example, to stop this type of payment?

Because if we look closely we have paid extensions, paid DLCs and a regularly renewed shop in addition to a crown box, wouldn't that be enough honestly?

For example there is Guild Wars that already uses this type of practice and it has no bar to take full advantage of it while yet a game far from being as well known or even marketing level and yet it works I think very well for them, an end to this practice would be a real relief for MMORPG players and if it happens could give a greater positive image to Elder Scrolls Online and especially given the performance of servers I do not think this idea is as excessive as that.

So, yes it could lose the monthly wreaths, but tell you this, if the monthly subscription is removed it would allow a monthly wreath purchase anyway and other ideas could be possible with the daily connection gifts at the end of me, although not the most important ones in my opinion, or other ideas to add wreaths in the purchase of extensions.

Your concluding paragraph highlights frankly why I haven't got a clue what you're on about, it makes no sense whatsoever. Perfectly understandable if English isn't your first language, but still incomprehensible I'm afraid.

Most games survive these days by offering choice of business model, and subscriptions are a critical part of that choice. They represent excellent value for money in the case of ESO so far as I'm concerned, and I say that with two accounts on six-monthly subscriptions. I'd hate to lose that part of the business model, and so too I imagine would ZOS as every other form of payment is casual and unpredictable which no company likes. Subscriptions give them a solid revenue base.

Pretty confused, why does it matter? You literally don't need to subscribe to ESO PLUS to still play this game. So don't subscribe and all is well?

If this was OG ESO or WoW.. yea you can complain about a subscription because its actually required to login. Feels like people make threads just to make threads.

Gladly pay my ~$200 a year (12 month ESO+ + $60 for chapter) a year.

Dirt cheap for the entertainment value I get out of it.

CleymenZero wrote: »

Why do coffee shops sell coffee at 4$ a cup when it costs them 15c to make?

Because it costs them a lot more than $0.15 to make, once they factor in the cost of paying an employee to make the cup of coffee, the initial cost of training that employee in how to make the cup of coffee, the cost of paying the electric company and water company and other utility companies, the cost of paying for the internet connection and Wi-Fi equipment that lets their customers enjoy free Wi-Fi while they drink their coffee, the cost of purchasing and maintaining the coffee-making equipment, the cost of purchasing the chairs and tables, the cost of building the coffee shop, the cost of purchasing or renting the plot on which the coffee shop stands, the cost of paying the city and county and state and nation any taxes owed, and of course the cost of paying the company's owners and executives and secretaries and advertisers and security guards, and so on.

I may be misinterpreting the OP, but it does seem that the frustration is caused by "too many subscriptions to manage".

For ESO, I've been subbed since launch and no regrets. There are subscription things though that I don't want to be subbed to constantly and was actually thinking about this the other day. I only sub to Netflix for one month at a time (I run out of stuff to watch) and it would be nice to have an option to pay for a month without the renewing subscription. If you play ESO on and off then maybe adding a one-time purchase of a month of ESO+ rather than sub for a month, then cancel, would be less frustrating for those players? (and maybe simpler for those who forget they are subbed to things...)

ESO+ is great value and if I had to purchase everything I get with it separately I probably wouldn't. I also don't think an unlimited Craft Bag would exist without a sub, instead there would be a Craft Bag we could pay to expand with crowns after purchasing a base one. The game needs reliable income.

With a subscription model we get to "try" out the DLCs without paying which means if we don't care for a particular DLC (*cough* double dungeon ones) we don't have to pay to unlock it, find out we dislike it and suffer buyer's remorse.

Some of us subscribers don't buy additional crowns. I use the crowns I get from subbing but I very rarely buy any separately (just don't have the budget available) so the crown store wouldn't make much money off of me on a regular basis like the subscription does.

To be blunt, many people wouldnt be here if there was no sub. Many more would be here if there was no sub as well....they just would be an ever changing sea of people with zero invested in the game and would greatly increase the amount of tension we have playing.

When you pay for something you tend to care about it. Free is treated as free....

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

Why do coffee shops sell coffee at 4$ a cup when it costs them 15c to make?

Because it costs them a lot more than $0.15 to make, once they factor in the cost of paying an employee to make the cup of coffee, the initial cost of training that employee in how to make the cup of coffee, the cost of paying the electric company and water company and other utility companies, the cost of paying for the internet connection and Wi-Fi equipment that lets their customers enjoy free Wi-Fi while they drink their coffee, the cost of purchasing and maintaining the coffee-making equipment, the cost of purchasing the chairs and tables, the cost of building the coffee shop, the cost of purchasing or renting the plot on which the coffee shop stands, the cost of paying the city and county and state and nation any taxes owed, and of course the cost of paying the company's owners and executives and secretaries and advertisers and security guards, and so on.

Lol... are you serious? I LITERALLY wrote afterward that the reasons why varied based on the industry. If you had the inescapable need to explain it fine by me but [snip] to assume I'm not aware of this when I LITERALLY posted that there were many reasons why (indicating I had no intention to get into the why's).

I spoke of Apple's manufacturing cost and list prices but did not elaborate on development cost and marketing. Not defending them, just saying there's more than meets the eye. Why don't you write me a thesis on that too?

But yes, I've heard people say that before and they clearly aren't aware of the 100s of things an owner has to pay before that 4$ can actually generate a profit.

[edited for baiting]

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

Why do coffee shops sell coffee at 4$ a cup when it costs them 15c to make?

Because it costs them a lot more than $0.15 to make, once they factor in the cost of paying an employee to make the cup of coffee, the initial cost of training that employee in how to make the cup of coffee, the cost of paying the electric company and water company and other utility companies, the cost of paying for the internet connection and Wi-Fi equipment that lets their customers enjoy free Wi-Fi while they drink their coffee, the cost of purchasing and maintaining the coffee-making equipment, the cost of purchasing the chairs and tables, the cost of building the coffee shop, the cost of purchasing or renting the plot on which the coffee shop stands, the cost of paying the city and county and state and nation any taxes owed, and of course the cost of paying the company's owners and executives and secretaries and advertisers and security guards, and so on.

Lol... are you serious? I LITERALLY wrote afterward that the reasons why varied based on the industry. If you had the inescapable need to explain it fine by me but [snip] to assume I'm not aware of this when I LITERALLY posted that there were many reasons why (indicating I had no intention to get into the why's).

I spoke of Apple's manufacturing cost and list prices but did not elaborate on development cost and marketing. Not defending them, just saying there's more than meets the eye. Why don't you write me a thesis on that too?

But yes, I've heard people say that before and they clearly aren't aware of the 100s of things an owner has to pay before that 4$ can actually generate a profit.

[edited for baiting]

I realized when I wrote my post that you sort of answered your questions further down. But I felt your answer ("fundamentally, in a capitalist system, you don't stop when it's enough, you stop when you can't sell at that price anymore") wasn't quite right, primarily because it gives the impression that companies are just being greedy by continuing to increase their prices until not enough people will buy their goods or services anymore to keep the company afloat. And I'm not saying that doesn't happen in a capitalistic society. But not all companies keep increasing their prices just because they can-- until they can't anymore-- and some people do act like they don't grasp why a company such as a coffee shop charges so much more for a cup of coffee than the cost of the ingredients.

I wasn't trying to take fault with the rest of your post, I was merely using that one isolated question as an opportunity to point out why things cost so much more than the sum of their basic ingredients. I apologize that I upset you.

The coffee shop example was right in line with Apple...It is a well known fact that coffee is a huge profit margin. Just like soda and most other drinks really. The coffee shops are crooks( in that regard). Your long diatribe on the "other costs" they have to endure was way overboard....those poor guys!