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Let's talk about a nightmare waiting to happen. VAMPIRE AND STEALTH...GOD NO
phoenixkungfu
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ESO, cool concept on stealth and vampire. But god no, please no. Speed build are about to be a nightmare and RUIN THE GAMEPLAY. PLEASE PLEASE RECONSIDER COUNTER GAMEPLAY TO STEALTH. it going to be BROKEN GAMEPLAY to just see proof I run away and stealth builds. Classes like warden is just going to be broken without BETTER COUNTER UNIVERSAL GAMEPLAY TO STEALTH. Please consider channel direct attacks to keep opponent out of stealth.
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Daffen✭✭✭✭Counters you have against stealth: detect pot, inner light, camouflaged hunter.
Counters you have against speed: literally a speed cap in the game, gap closers, snares, stuns.9 -
Noxavian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »ESO, cool concept on stealth and vampire. But god no, please no. Speed build are about to be a nightmare and RUIN THE GAMEPLAY. PLEASE PLEASE RECONSIDER COUNTER GAMEPLAY TO STEALTH. it going to be BROKEN GAMEPLAY to just see proof I run away and stealth builds. Classes like warden is just going to be broken without BETTER COUNTER UNIVERSAL GAMEPLAY TO STEALTH. Please consider channel direct attacks to keep opponent out of stealth.
Consider this:
How about you wait to see it on PTS before making BASELESS mindless assumptions?
You literally have NO IDEA how this is going to play and if it'll even be good.
Chill.
Lol.12 -
xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Counters you have against stealth: detect pot, inner light, camouflaged hunter.
Counters you have against speed: literally a speed cap in the game, gap closers, snares, stuns.
Consider this:
How about you wait to see it on PTS before making BASELESS mindless assumptions?
You literally have NO IDEA how this is going to play and if it'll even be good.
Chill.
Lol.
What's all this crazy talk?!
Edited by xaraan on April 4, 2020 7:44PM-- @xaraan --
nightblade: Xaraan • templar: Xaraan-dar • dragon-knight: Xaraanosaurus • necromancer: Xaraan-qa • warden: Xaraanodon • sorcerer: Xaraan-ra
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Noxavian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Counters you have against stealth: detect pot, inner light, camouflaged hunter.
Counters you have against speed: literally a speed cap in the game, gap closers, snares, stuns.
Consider this:
How about you wait to see it on PTS before making BASELESS mindless assumptions?
You literally have NO IDEA how this is going to play and if it'll even be good.
Chill.
Lol.
What's all this crazy talk?!
rational thinking instead of coming to baseless assumptions!
the horrOOOOR!
It's a crazy concept1 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"I am the terror that flaps in the night!"
Let's get dangerous
"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU5 -
Saelent✭✭✭✭✭I hate people who call for skill nerfs before it has even been on PTS...
Does it need to be explained how you have to run for several seconds before the invisibility kicks in? What about how the invisibility fades the moment you stop?
Hell, why not just remove vampires all together if route just going to call for them to be stomped before they can even be seen!5 -
InaMoonlight✭✭✭✭✭I love the skills, and effects so far. sorry. But for me the issue is cosmetic, no skins to get yer blue eyes back unless someone gives you one, and permanent "i don't have table manners or clean myself, eeeevarr" bloodstain-look. Unsanitary, this one cleans her fur regularly to keep it from getting her shiny white fur from getting yellow from gore! (and a lil bit more stam-skillmorphs would be nais)Edited by InaMoonlight on April 4, 2020 8:25PMEdit = Typos ... as usual. <;D3 -
Vicinia✭✭✭✭If that 20% cost increase on non-vamp abilities is true, you won't have to worry too much about vamps
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Tessitura✭✭✭✭✭InaMoonlight wrote: »I love the skills, and effects so far. sorry. But for me the issue is cosmetic, no skins to get yer blue eyes back unless someone gives you one, and permanent "i don't have table manners or clean myself, eeeevarr" bloodstain-look. Unsanitary, this one cleans her fur regularly to keep it from getting her shiny white fur from getting yellow from gore! (and a lil bit more stam-skillmorphs would be nais)
You can have more stam morphs.... If you get me more Magicka weapon options. Make that happen and we will have a deal. Otherwise keep your grubby stam fingers off my new shiny toy!1 -
InaMoonlight✭✭✭✭✭InaMoonlight wrote: »I love the skills, and effects so far. sorry. But for me the issue is cosmetic, no skins to get yer blue eyes back unless someone gives you one, and permanent "i don't have table manners or clean myself, eeeevarr" bloodstain-look. Unsanitary, this one cleans her fur regularly to keep it from getting her shiny white fur from getting yellow from gore! (and a lil bit more stam-skillmorphs would be nais)
You can have more stam morphs.... If you get me more Magicka weapon options. Make that happen and we will have a deal. Otherwise keep your grubby stam fingers off my new shiny toy!
You have two weaps, as a heals, (+ class skills)that are epic, which also allows you to be dps, EVERY skillline, has magic skills, or magic morphs, how many has stam? We kinda get a VERY limited pool to work with, vigor... for the fifth year, they tried on shrooms, but the general obtainable one is still better even when nerfed! EVERY class can go mag, but few can be overall if stam?
Mag is ruling over stam, if you go stam, you REALLY gotta want and fight for it. I do! But still, if i were inclined for ez-play, i'd go mag. Luckily, I am not such inclined. Used to be, but now i want my stam for the overall feel of the char i play - Noggingbonk your metaas! I wanna make a viable char out of what I got at hand, and NOT be hampered cause I didnt wanna be a templar. NO META PLEASE! And stuff yer ani cancl.Edited by InaMoonlight on April 4, 2020 11:01PMEdit = Typos ... as usual. <;D0 -
JamieAubrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Counters you have against stealth: detect pot, inner light, camouflaged hunter.
Counters you have against speed: literally a speed cap in the game, gap closers, snares, stuns.
Yet Inner light is broken, SO many times I've casted on top of a NB and they still cloak right after I cast it0 -
Czekoludek✭✭✭✭✭
✭JamieAubrey wrote: »Counters you have against stealth: detect pot, inner light, camouflaged hunter.
Counters you have against speed: literally a speed cap in the game, gap closers, snares, stuns.
Yet Inner light is broken, SO many times I've casted on top of a NB and they still cloak right after I cast it
90% they probably use shade and then cloak so your inner light is out of range.1 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Czekoludek wrote: »
90% they probably use shade and then cloak so your inner light is out of range.
That explains a lot.... I've ended up going full barbarian on stealth builds so when they cloak I can catch them with magelight. Sadly if they get away I suddenly find myself holding block and spamming heals for the inevitable burst damage followed by an execute or ultimate.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK1 -
Minyassa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭But Bosmer were specifically made to detect stealthed enemies, that's their big racial passive now. Yay ZOS. Winning.1 -
Yamenstein✭✭✭✭✭Should have been a Nightblade passive imo.
Nah.
Gonna wait to play on PTS before making any judgements. Being a vampire have some serious downsides now instead of extra fire damage.Crown Crates are a trap. Don't fall for the gamble! Balance? What Balance? Balance, smellance.
Necro for them RP feels.0 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There is an even bigger problem then that
The Blood Frenzy Tank Builds, imagine someone using a Troll Tank build and then using this ability alongside it, now not only will they tank 5 people at once but they will now beable to kill them off 1 by 1.0 -
Tessitura✭✭✭✭✭InaMoonlight wrote: »InaMoonlight wrote: »I love the skills, and effects so far. sorry. But for me the issue is cosmetic, no skins to get yer blue eyes back unless someone gives you one, and permanent "i don't have table manners or clean myself, eeeevarr" bloodstain-look. Unsanitary, this one cleans her fur regularly to keep it from getting her shiny white fur from getting yellow from gore! (and a lil bit more stam-skillmorphs would be nais)
You can have more stam morphs.... If you get me more Magicka weapon options. Make that happen and we will have a deal. Otherwise keep your grubby stam fingers off my new shiny toy!
You have two weaps, as a heals, (+ class skills)that are epic, which also allows you to be dps, EVERY skillline, has magic skills, or magic morphs, how many has stam? We kinda get a VERY limited pool to work with, vigor... for the fifth year, they tried on shrooms, but the general obtainable one is still better even when nerfed! EVERY class can go mag, but few can be overall if stam?
Mag is ruling over stam, if you go stam, you REALLY gotta want and fight for it. I do! But still, if i were inclined for ez-play, i'd go mag. Luckily, I am not such inclined. Used to be, but now i want my stam for the overall feel of the char i play - Noggingbonk your metaas! I wanna make a viable char out of what I got at hand, and NOT be hampered cause I didnt wanna be a templar. NO META PLEASE! And stuff yer ani cancl.
Uuuh, you know stam is really strong right? Like really strong. Are we playing the same game here? Stam is easy play, and it has been for a long time. I think you might be doing something wrong, friend. I don't have a stam build that struggles.2 -
Czekoludek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Czekoludek wrote: »
90% they probably use shade and then cloak so your inner light is out of range.
That explains a lot.... I've ended up going full barbarian on stealth builds so when they cloak I can catch them with magelight. Sadly if they get away I suddenly find myself holding block and spamming heals for the inevitable burst damage followed by an execute or ultimate.
It's not really that hard, just prepare to roll instead of block. Nb will probably start with ulti, without it he/she won't be able to deal you enough damage. If it is assassination ulti, you have plenty of time to actually dodge it as the cast time (0,4s) is done out of the stealth. If you roll that and then quickly stun blade, you have a while to burst it down. Fighting with blades means you need to learn their tricks. And because their toolkit is very limiter and predictible, it shouldn't take you longEdited by Czekoludek on April 5, 2020 10:01AM0 -
Daffen✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »There is an even bigger problem then that
The Blood Frenzy Tank Builds, imagine someone using a Troll Tank build and then using this ability alongside it, now not only will they tank 5 people at once but they will now beable to kill them off 1 by 1.
If the 20% cost increase stays which is kist as likely to happen as the blood frenzy ability then the troll tanks wont have enough sustain to be able to even tank 5 good players. If you look at recent gameplay videos of these troll tanks you can see they all rely on argonian pot and dk ultimate sustain and heavy attacks when snb ult is up. A 20% cost increase will totally kill that playstyle so noone will be going vamp as a troll tank.0 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »There is an even bigger problem then that
The Blood Frenzy Tank Builds, imagine someone using a Troll Tank build and then using this ability alongside it, now not only will they tank 5 people at once but they will now beable to kill them off 1 by 1.
If the 20% cost increase stays which is kist as likely to happen as the blood frenzy ability then the troll tanks wont have enough sustain to be able to even tank 5 good players. If you look at recent gameplay videos of these troll tanks you can see they all rely on argonian pot and dk ultimate sustain and heavy attacks when snb ult is up. A 20% cost increase will totally kill that playstyle so noone will be going vamp as a troll tank.
They don't need to be at stage 4 to use Blood Frenzy.0 -
Daffen✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »There is an even bigger problem then that
The Blood Frenzy Tank Builds, imagine someone using a Troll Tank build and then using this ability alongside it, now not only will they tank 5 people at once but they will now beable to kill them off 1 by 1.
If the 20% cost increase stays which is kist as likely to happen as the blood frenzy ability then the troll tanks wont have enough sustain to be able to even tank 5 good players. If you look at recent gameplay videos of these troll tanks you can see they all rely on argonian pot and dk ultimate sustain and heavy attacks when snb ult is up. A 20% cost increase will totally kill that playstyle so noone will be going vamp as a troll tank.
They don't need to be at stage 4 to use Blood Frenzy.
Oh *** i forgot0
