Should PVP be tied to ESO plus?

GoBlue275 · April 2020

Should PVP be tied to ESO plus? If it was all the [Snip] would at least have a leg to stand on (being paying customers) and not be free players adding to the lag. This could stop both the lag and the forum spam about the lag in one update.

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oXI_Viper_IXo · April 2020

Wow, brilliant...

Would it shock you to know that most PvPers are ESO+ subscribers already and that they also buy all the new chapters as well as spend money in the crown store?

idk · April 2020

It cannot be so the question is pointless. Cyrodiil is part of the base game so it comes with the purchase of the game. Zos made BGs part of base game as well.

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Wow, brilliant...

Would it shock you to know that most PvPers are ESO+ subscribers already and that they also buy all the new chapters as well as spend money in the crown store?

Of the more avid PvP players that are actually doing PvP because they enjoy it, not for the transumation crystals, no one that will say actually knows what percentage subscribes. So the statement is not verifiable.

Further, it is highly questionable that most buy the chapters as the BG population grew considerably after it became part of the base game. It is the only system locked behind a chapter I can recall being added to the base game vs sold in the crown store.

newtinmpls · April 2020

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Would it shock you to know that most PvPers are ESO+ subscribers

I would be shocked if any sweeping generalization from these forums turned out to be accurate.

I don't think it's knowable or provable by anyone but ZoS what are the various characteristics of who pays, plays, subscribes, and does what.

I also think it's highly unlikely that even if they could theoretically figure all that out - that they would. The kind of statistics that are presented to the forums are things like "Z percent of players do Y" or "the median number of CP is X" and these kind of generalized statistics cannot be assembled to come up with any definitive detailed patterns

JumpmanLane · April 2020

GoBlue275 wrote: »

Should PVP be tied to ESO plus? If it was all the [Snip] would at least have a leg to stand on (being paying customers) and not be free players adding to the lag. This could stop both the lag and the forum spam about the lag in one update.[Edited for rude content]

[Snip]. Yeah I PvP. ZOS knows my order history. I bought Linchal, Daggerfall Overlook, and that dueling arena and countless other things with crowns. I bought Morrowind. I pre-orderd Summerset. I pre-ordered Elsweyr. And even though I got a refund for Greymoor, I pre-orderd THAT the DAY it was available.

My complaints are not merely that of a paying customer; rather, they are that of a DISGRUNTLED. PAYING. CUSTOMER....who, in truth, LOVES this game...when it works.

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5cript · April 2020

JumpmanLane wrote: »

My complaints are not merely that of a paying customer; rather, they are that of a DISGRUNTLED. PAYING. CUSTOMER....who, in truth, LOVES this game...when it works.

We and most others are on the very same page. We love it when it works, but are terribly sad and disheartened that its like it is now.
I just felt like underlining this seems neccessary unfortunately.

SmukkeHeks · April 2020

No. The game should just work. Can’t they fix it? Then shut it down.

No more groundbreaking changes. No more cash out options. No more trinkets. And just stop with the micro transactions - none of us are so oblivious that we can’t figure it out.

relentless_turnip · April 2020

JumpmanLane wrote: »

GoBlue275 wrote: »

Should PVP be tied to ESO plus? If it was all the [Snip] would at least have a leg to stand on (being paying customers) and not be free players adding to the lag. This could stop both the lag and the forum spam about the lag in one update.
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[Snip] Yeah I PvP. ZOS knows my order history. I bought Linchal, Daggerfall Overlook, and that dueling arena and countless other things with crowns. I bought Morrowind. I pre-orderd Summerset. I pre-ordered Elsweyr. And even though I got a refund for Greymoor, I pre-orderd THAT the DAY it was available.

My complaints are not merely that of a paying customer; rather, they are that of a DISGRUNTLED. PAYING. CUSTOMER....who, in truth, LOVES this game...when it works.
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^^this^^

I also mainly PVP, but i too sub, spend a lot of money in the crown store. I won't buy Greymoor until the game works at the very least as well as it did in Dragonhold.
I wouldn't feel my right to complain was any less valid if i didn't spend money though.
It is as you said the annoyance comes from the fact you love this game, but it is broken.
My expectations on large scale PVP is pretty low and I expect it to be a bit laggy.
When buttons don't work at all and they did one month a go before these changes we should complain.

I don't feel a sense of urgency from the dev's at the moment.
Just @ZOS_GinaBruno having to make vague responses to threads.
It would make such a difference if someone would take ownership of this issue and post an official statement.

Lowbei · April 2020

I have a feeling this thread wont last.

FierceSam · April 2020

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Wow, brilliant...

Would it shock you to know that most PvPers are ESO+ subscribers already and that they also buy all the new chapters as well as spend money in the crown store?

On one hand no, because the pool of PvP players is so small.

On the other yes, because that’s not my experience of PvP players (or ESO+ subscribers) and certainly not the impression conveyed by many of the posters here who gleefully declare that they haven’t paid/won’t pay ZOS any money ever

In terms of OP’s suggestion, it would kill PvP. They couldn’t keep Battlegrounds behind a chapter paywall due to low numbers, they can’t keep PvP behind a paywall for exactly the same reason.

And ‘fixing’ PvP won’t be a bonanza for ZOS in terms of bringing in new ESO+ subscribers, it will just increase the number of $5 freeloaders, who seem to believe that a small one time payment entitles them to lifelong server performance.

Bucky_13 · April 2020

GoBlue275 wrote: »

Should PVP be tied to ESO plus? If it was all the [Snip] would at least have a leg to stand on (being paying customers) and not be free players adding to the lag. This could stop both the lag and the forum spam about the lag in one update.
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No, very much no. SWTOR decided for some brilliant reason to severely restrict PvP access for FTP players. This had the effect on the game that there was too few PvP players, which in turn meant that PvP got worse for paying players (I was one of them at the time). While the lack of content was a reason why most left SWTOR, the decision on almost no PvP for FTP meant that a lot of players stopped playing the game for that very reason. I left that game in large part because the PvP got stale due to the lack of FTP players there.

Restricting content from FTP is a bad idea in general, you cut off players and friends from each other. And if a few of your friends who are FTP stop playing the game (which is basically what you encourage them to do when restricting content) because of it, you have less reason to stay which will drain the paying player base as well.

The problem isn't that the players are playing in Cyro, the problem is that Zos aren't really showing any interest in improving performance there and are atrociously bad at communicating with the PvP community which makes players even more frustrated.

amir412 · April 2020

I play only PVP and i'm pretty sure that in the years i have played this game i have spent way more than the casual player.
Tie ESO+ to Cyro will just confirm kill to an already dying community.

FierceSam · April 2020

amir412 wrote: »

I play only PVP and i'm pretty sure that in the years i have played this game i have spent way more than the casual player.
Tie ESO+ to Cyro will just confirm kill to an already dying community.

Also income per player should have no impact on whether or not ZOS put the effort in to ‘fix’ PvP. They need to have the courage to either get behind PvP and invest time (and money) in resolving the issues, or admit that they can’t be bothered to address PvP in a serious way.

I hope they get behind it and make the effort.. I imagine it will be a long road and hard, but I think it would be worth it.

justaquickword · April 2020

Another classic comedy thread...

"You stinking freeloading PvP players! "

😏

ku5h · April 2020

GoBlue275 wrote: »

Should PVP be tied to ESO plus? If it was all the [Snip] would at least have a leg to stand on (being paying customers) and not be free players adding to the lag. This could stop both the lag and the forum spam about the lag in one update.
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I think forum should be tied to ESO plus.
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redgreensunset · April 2020

GoBlue275 wrote: »

Should PVP be tied to ESO plus? If it was all the {Snip] would at least have a leg to stand on (being paying customers) and not be free players adding to the lag. This could stop both the lag and the forum spam about the lag in one update.
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If they pvp they've paid for the game since ESO is buy to play. Which by default makes them paying customers. Try agaim.

Tommy_The_Gun · April 2020

redgreensunset wrote: »

TragedyOA wrote: »

10/10 good troll thread OP.

I think they mixed up the dates, April 1st was yesterday.

Time zones ?

Zorgon_The_Revenged · April 2020

I guess the OP wasn't in game or on the forums when the game was sub only.

Deathlord92 · April 2020

I love eso in general including pvp I have every chapter and I have spent lots of money in the crown store on top of that I have been paying eso plus for a very long time I stop paying back in October 2019 because like a lot of players I was disgusted with cyrodiil lag well more disappointed seeing a game I really like get so bad I have been playing since console release 2015.

mague · April 2020

GoBlue275 wrote: »

Should PVP be tied to ESO plus? If it was all the [Snip] would at least have a leg to stand on (being paying customers) and not be free players adding to the lag. This could stop both the lag and the forum spam about the lag in one update.
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ESO+ is not the problem on its own. If at all then the question should be: Should a player pay for all of his accounts a ESO+ sub ?

But, to be on topic about the "forum spam" etc. .. in Cyrodiil and on the PvP forum the meaning of PvP is Politics vs. Players. And its politics copied from really bad movies.

5cript · April 2020

I have a better idea: make every quest a $1 DLC.

bmnoble · April 2020

I am not much of a PVP player and I am a subscriber, Cyrodiil is part of the base game no amount of hot air generated on the forums is going to cause that to change nor do I think it should be changed people bought the game even if they payed next to nothing just for the base game.

They have bought the game and have just as much right to play it and expect a game with decent performance as any subscriber does.

TheFM · April 2020

GoBlue275 wrote: »

Should PVP be tied to ESO plus? If it was all the [Snip] would at least have a leg to stand on (being paying customers) and not be free players adding to the lag. This could stop both the lag and the forum spam about the lag in one update.
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Everyone playing is a paying customer smarty pants. Even if you don't do ESO plus, you still had to purchase the game. And if you look at the amount of wardens and necros running around at this point, it's obvious many are buying chapters too.

technohic · April 2020

Sure. So long as they make sure that they also require subs for PvE so players have to pay for the content as well when it is broken. Good way to kill a game.

Royaji · April 2020

If you want to completely murder PvP, just say so. No need to play around the bush.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · April 2020

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Wow, brilliant...

Would it shock you to know that most PvPers are ESO+ subscribers already and that they also buy all the new chapters as well as spend money in the crown store?

Viper is right. I PvP more now and most of the PvPers I meet are ESO+ subscribers. They may not spend much for cosmetic items in the crown store, (although I've seem some who do), PvPers are willing to spend that $12 per month to make their game lives easier with ESO+.

Lysette · April 2020

It doesn't matter anyway, we all bought the game and are entitled to play it - with or without ESO+ - and those not subscribing are no lesser players, they just chose not to subscribe and that is fine as well.

ZOS_Volpe · April 2020

Greetings,

We have recently removed some rude and baiting commentary. We would like everyone to keep posts on the subject at hand, civil, and constructive.

xxthir13enxx · April 2020

ROFLMFAO

It’s okay mods I’ll just
[/snip] myself n back out

relentless_turnip · April 2020

ZOS_TrishM wrote: »

Greetings,

We have recently removed some rude and baiting commentary. We would like everyone to keep posts on the subject at hand, civil, and constructive.

To be fair the entire thread should have been immediately closed when it was posted.
The subject matter is baiting and it was never going to create any sort of constructive conversation.

daemonios · April 2020

Ignorant question is ignorant. A better one would be: should a subscription have remained mandatory for everyone? I would say yes. Monetisation through subscription means the game needs to stay good enough to remain subbed. Monetisation though in-game purchases means the game need only be a window into the store. This is the last time a publisher gets me via the bait and switch of mandatory sub MMOs going B2P.