Why Can't Destruction Staves Have Animations Like This?

TheMaos · March 2020

Dragon Age Inquisition has the most satisfying mage light attack animations i've seen a a game thus far
I really wish ESO animations could look like this, not only for mag but for stam too.
Why? Because lets be honest, ESO's animations for light and heavy attacks are pretty underwhelming, literally just a little poof.
I mean, seriously ESO's animations look so cartoony and make your character look like a doof, you character can't even swing a 2 handed sword without almost throwing their back out and letting go with one hand at the end... Don't get me started on one hand and shield, looks like your character was just hit with a flashbang and is fanatically swinging their weapon around blind.

Just take a look, here is an example of dragon age's animations for mage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvN9wU_s39Y

To end on a positive note, here are some in game animations I think are pretty good.
-One hand and shield: ransack
-One hand and shield: reverb
-Duel wield: twin slashes
-2 handed dizzy swing
-destruction staff ultimate cast
-resto staff ultimate cast
-Templar jabs
-necro scythe
-sorc negate cast
-dk wings
-nightblade cloaks
-warden frost healing
-warden trellis
-necro boneyard
-mag incap & tether

mairwen85 · March 2020

The spin one would be cool for a heavy attack; better than the wind up and release on inferno and ice (which I've always found a bit 3 stooges). Not sure any of that would work for a channelled attack like lightning and restoration. Light attacks are fine as they are, flashy front and back sweeps aren't really necessary with the combat system: maybe for medium attacks? Half corkscrew spin for medium, full corkscrew for heavy...

In general though, DA combat is different, very different, weapon attacks are chained into combos with abilities on long cooldowns, unlike ESO where we use weapon attacks in between skills without cooldowns (aside from GCD).

Dragonnord · March 2020

Because in ZOS servers, for every 10 persons performing those animations at the same time, lag in zone would increase 10%.

tsaescishoeshiner · March 2020

Relequen and some other NPC's already do a staff flip attack, sort of similar to the magDK whip flip, soit's already in the game. It would be so cool as a skill or set animation, but idk which skill or set to have that on

TheMaos · March 2020

Dragonnord wrote: »

Because in ZOS servers, for every 10 persons performing those animations at the same time, lag in zone would increase 10%.

True

TheMaos · March 2020

mairwen85 wrote: »

The spin one would be cool for a heavy attack; better than the wind up and release on inferno and ice (which I've always found a bit 3 stooges). Not sure any of that would work for a channelled attack like lightning and restoration. Light attacks are fine as they are, flashy front and back sweeps aren't really necessary with the combat system: maybe for medium attacks? Half corkscrew spin for medium, full corkscrew for heavy...

In general though, DA combat is different, very different, weapon attacks are chained into combos with abilities on long cooldowns, unlike ESO where we use weapon attacks in between skills without cooldowns (aside from GCD).

I agree, I was thinking something more like the flame clench or idk something similar when they use the staff and not just poke it in front of them would look cool. Something fast and simple enough to be a light attack but not just something as repetitive as the current one... especially if these light attack changes go through

MongooseOne · March 2020

Why bother when canceling the animation is how to do proper DPS....

mairwen85 · March 2020

TheMaos wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

The spin one would be cool for a heavy attack; better than the wind up and release on inferno and ice (which I've always found a bit 3 stooges). Not sure any of that would work for a channelled attack like lightning and restoration. Light attacks are fine as they are, flashy front and back sweeps aren't really necessary with the combat system: maybe for medium attacks? Half corkscrew spin for medium, full corkscrew for heavy...

In general though, DA combat is different, very different, weapon attacks are chained into combos with abilities on long cooldowns, unlike ESO where we use weapon attacks in between skills without cooldowns (aside from GCD).

I agree, I was thinking something more like the flame clench or idk something similar when they use the staff and not just poke it in front of them would look cool. Something fast and simple enough to be a light attack but not just something as repetitive as the current one... especially if these light attack changes go through

I used to like the reach/clench animation, especially on flame reach, it had a satisfying 'golf pro' the enemy feel to it -- it feels very muted now the knock-back has been removed, and the animation just looks silly now, all that force behind it and nothing really happens.

oxygen_thief · March 2020

it looks like an 80-90s action movie with martial arts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bATw_u_qao

TheMaos · March 2020

MongooseOne wrote: »

Why bother when canceling the animation is how to do proper DPS....

Unless you are bar swapping, usually the full light attack animation is still played.
If you haven't noticed, animation cancelling has been basically removed all together aside from bar swap

TheMaos · March 2020

oh wait i see what you are saying, but still, when i do light attack or heavy attack, i'd rather see a better animation than a lil poof

Nemesis7884 · March 2020

honestly i think great and fun animations are one of the things that keep you long term engaged in combat and makes combat still fun after hundreds of hours....

Dragon Age was actually the first rpg series ever i can remember that introduced fun dynamic mage staff animations...

idk · March 2020

I just watched the first part and it looks like the characters are having convulsions.

kaisernick · March 2020

hell i wish elder scrolls would do the same magic in skyrim sucked.

ArchMikem · March 2020

How does that mage not get dizzy from spinning so much. Only thing i like about that video is how smooth and lifelike the character animations are.

Vevvev · March 2020

That's a bit too flashy tbh. Why would a mage have to fling their staff around super fast in order to cast a single spell when the average mage can just point their finger at you and unleash a lightning bolt?

Lixiviant · March 2020

Please, don't add more animations! With my internet connection, it would only make things worse!

Darkenarlol · March 2020

no thank you i've turned DA3 off after 30 min of stupid anime movements

maybe you should check some flashy asian games if you enjoy such animations

RefLiberty · March 2020

I dunno... Since this is a mmo type of game and single player are not even near in term of play hours, I think it would become extra annoying after s while and people would start to request as an option to switch it off.
Game Devs need to find a balance between looking ok and not overdoing something.

There is a great comparison with red dead redemption 2 where everything is animated, se when the char is picking herbs, it is fully animated. Ofc it started to be annoying as people would like just to press the key and complete the action. They grow tired of animations.

So yeah, I think that staff waiving and spinning would become annoying as game time hours increases, and people would be, just fire FFS.

Knightpanther · March 2020

No just No!

That looks awful, we don't want the game to descend further into some cartoonfest.

Be safe

Starlock · March 2020

Vevvev wrote: »

That's a bit too flashy tbh. Why would a mage have to fling their staff around super fast in order to cast a single spell when the average mage can just point their finger at you and unleash a lightning bolt?

They got to get their cardio in somehow. After all, the stereotypical mage spends most of their time sitting on their butts in a library pouring over spell books...

VoidCommander · March 2020

Imagine if we could hold greatswords like this, but have it be a cosmetic override for a staff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHascR7JhNk

TheMaos · April 2020

I stated once, and will state again for those who have vision problems.
I am not saying copy the animations all together or have them anywhere near as flashy.
I am saying poking the air in front of you and a lil fire poof coming out of it looks dumb.
I'm suggesting something like DA animations but a fit for ESO.

ApostateHobo · April 2020

Knew this was going to be about DAI's animations before I clicked on it lol I agree that it's staff animations are a lot nicer, and more satisfying than eso's. In eso it's just kind of a pew pew type animation. Shame the servers probably wouldn't be able to handle something like that though.

Also to whoever thinks this looks like convulsions, what on earth does the animation cancelling in eso look like to you then? Because any time I watch a parse video it straight up looks like their character is having a seizure XD

ArchMikem · April 2020

ApostateHobo wrote: »

Knew this was going to be about DAI's animations before I clicked on it lol I agree that it's staff animations are a lot nicer, and more satisfying than eso's. In eso it's just kind of a pew pew type animation. Shame the servers probably wouldn't be able to handle something like that though.

Also to whoever thinks this looks like convulsions, what on earth does the animation cancelling in eso look like to you then? Because any time I watch a parse video it straight up looks like their character is having a seizure XD

Servers have nothing to do with animations, the visuals, i believe, are client side.

GeorgeBlack · April 2020

Even if we did have them the combat is build upon 1s GCD.
So you'd never see these animations if you wanted to win.

MrDenimChicken · April 2020

Yeah many of the animations in this game look pretty bad. I think the devs just aren't top of the line in the gaming industry. When you have some animations look good, but then a bunch that look really bad, I think that shows they don't care that much about it.

Zardayne · August 2020

TheMaos wrote: »

Dragon Age Inquisition has the most satisfying mage light attack animations i've seen a a game thus far
I really wish ESO animations could look like this, not only for mag but for stam too.
Why? Because lets be honest, ESO's animations for light and heavy attacks are pretty underwhelming, literally just a little poof.
I mean, seriously ESO's animations look so cartoony and make your character look like a doof, you character can't even swing a 2 handed sword without almost throwing their back out and letting go with one hand at the end... Don't get me started on one hand and shield, looks like your character was just hit with a flashbang and is fanatically swinging their weapon around blind.

Just take a look, here is an example of dragon age's animations for mage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvN9wU_s39Y

To end on a positive note, here are some in game animations I think are pretty good.
-One hand and shield: ransack
-One hand and shield: reverb
-Duel wield: twin slashes
-2 handed dizzy swing
-destruction staff ultimate cast
-resto staff ultimate cast
-Templar jabs
-necro scythe
-sorc negate cast
-dk wings
-nightblade cloaks
-warden frost healing
-warden trellis
-necro boneyard
-mag incap & tether

I love dragon age and cannot wait until the next one. I also truly loved playing my mage in the last one but my Keeper in the first one was my favorite. Honestly I wish my warden had a skill like thornblades. It was so druidy lol.

With that said, not only do the auto attacks have cool animations which are engaging but so are the sounds. Combat sounds IMO mean a whole hell of a lot and a lot of ESO's skills are lacking that sound of impact. Turn up your volume and watch that video again paying special attention to the explosion sounds. You can hear the power in that lighting strike. No log into you mag character here and use force pulse or the majority of your mag skills. Pretty sad. There's a few abilities that have some power feel/sound such as meteor, upper cut, stonefist, northern storm, and perhaps a few others I've forgot. So yes we definitly need some of the animations redone but IMO the sounds need to be revamped to which will make the combat more engaging.

Here's Thornblades. I'd give this up for shalks any day!
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red_emu · August 2020

Damn, you really made want to replay DAI, even just for Cassandra's acting.

Back to the topic. DAI had motion capture technology for the design of their characters. ESO went with sort of stylised, trying to guess how human body moves, awful animations. You can especially see it with the new emotes, how much their realism factor has changed over the years.

The problem is, if they had redone the animations one out of 10000 people would make an enormous deal out of it (it happened before).

So basically, anything in art department (including broken, unrealistic animations) is here to stay for good.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · August 2020

TheMaos wrote: »

To end on a positive note, here are some in game animations I think are pretty good.

-necro boneyard

Those things doesn't match 🤨.

Edit: To clarify. A lot of people, myself included, strongly dislike the boneyard. Because it looks way too cartoony, cliché, and doesn't make much sense for an Elder Scrolls necromancer.

mairwen85 · August 2020

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

TheMaos wrote: »

To end on a positive note, here are some in game animations I think are pretty good.

-necro boneyard

Those things doesn't match 🤨.

Edit: To clarify. A lot of people, myself included, strongly dislike the boneyard. Because it looks way too cartoony, cliché, and doesn't make much sense for an Elder Scrolls necromancer.

Isn't that true of the necromancer in general though? It's very pastiche, boo, spooky Halloween, naff, plastic decoration. The npc necromancer abilities already existed and did cool stuff, I don't know why they didn't just use the already existing assets, but add a few more...