Stamcro in PVP

DUTCH_REAPER · March 2020

Holy crap. Is it just me or are these 2H swinging jokers ridiculously hard to kill and they hit so hard. I’m curious if anyone has a solid suggestion for counters. Because snaring, locking down, health defiling and bursting is not enough for me. Thanks in advance.

Ps I have made a stamcro today in hopes of learning the class to better counter them in the future.

Kadoin · March 2020

All you can really do is the general: avoid dizzy with movement, eat at their stamina, eat at their mag, and cc when you can.

Luckily none are really skilled on PC and/or are easy to handle through snaring and immobolize

technohic · March 2020

I ran into one the other night in the lag. Could eat dizzy>medium>Onslaught combos to the face without much problem. This one didn't do much damage back though. It made me wonder what they meta actually will be if the game ever works again though.

DUTCH_REAPER · March 2020

That is a really good point. In the lag the DS is going off. I wonder if this sudden problem I am experiencing with them is due to the games state. I don’t remember them as much of an issue before the update of course skills were going off at that point.

Yuke · March 2020

Magicka Swift build is the best counter to the stamina meta. Just let them troll around their trees and kill everything around them with a mate. When your zerg finally arrives, zerg them down. It pains me to say this as a long term stamina player but this is the sad truth.

Raudgrani · March 2020

It's not just necros. Every player who's good at landing Dizzy Swing, is a dangerous one. I don't go defensive, I go "all in" and force them to go defensive instead - or gtfo their reach and leave them alone. It seems the reach is quite broken too, you can get hit being way more than 7 meters away. Maybe it's the lag and stuff, but it doesn't seem right much of the time.

technohic · March 2020

Raudgrani wrote: »

It's not just necros. Every player who's good at landing Dizzy Swing, is a dangerous one. I don't go defensive, I go "all in" and force them to go defensive instead - or gtfo their reach and leave them alone. It seems the reach is quite broken too, you can get hit being way more than 7 meters away. Maybe it's the lag and stuff, but it doesn't seem right much of the time.

They changed it. it used to check range on activating and landing. Now it's just on activating. Think they need to do that for onslaught as well. Thing doesn't go off in lag or another enemy runs 8n front of your target

Mayrael · March 2020

Surviving them is not very different from any class, I just use a lot of movement through them and in-out. Killing them though is very hard, because they have so many healing options it's ridiculous, including those that are free to cast, meaning you can't really wear them off their resources. Here the best option is to do the opposite to usual CC-BURST combo, you need to risk missing the burst and then cc them. This way you can get them to execute range and have them CCed in this moment, allowing you to finish them off.

Raudgrani · March 2020

technohic wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

It's not just necros. Every player who's good at landing Dizzy Swing, is a dangerous one. I don't go defensive, I go "all in" and force them to go defensive instead - or gtfo their reach and leave them alone. It seems the reach is quite broken too, you can get hit being way more than 7 meters away. Maybe it's the lag and stuff, but it doesn't seem right much of the time.

They changed it. it used to check range on activating and landing. Now it's just on activating. Think they need to do that for onslaught as well. Thing doesn't go off in lag or another enemy runs 8n front of your target

Had a hunch it was different. Since I learned the importance of blocking (LOL), or dodging I haven't had that much of problem with them. Frankly, I normally walk TOWARDS/through the worst Dizzy whackers instead of retreating, but it doesn't seem to work the same way anymore. Hard to explain, but it's different and I get hit a lot more now.

ZarkingFrued · March 2020

Yuke wrote: »

Magicka Swift build is the best counter to the stamina meta. Just let them troll around their trees and kill everything around them with a mate. When your zerg finally arrives, zerg them down. It pains me to say this as a long term stamina player but this is the sad truth.

Wow

Stibbons · March 2020

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

Holy crap. Is it just me or are these 2H swinging jokers ridiculously hard to kill and they hit so hard. I’m curious if anyone has a solid suggestion for counters. Because snaring, locking down, health defiling and bursting is not enough for me. Thanks in advance.

Ps I have made a stamcro today in hopes of learning the class to better counter them in the future.

Dizzy swing is so easy mode.

TheFM · March 2020

Raudgrani wrote: »

It's not just necros. Every player who's good at landing Dizzy Swing, is a dangerous one. I don't go defensive, I go "all in" and force them to go defensive instead - or gtfo their reach and leave them alone. It seems the reach is quite broken too, you can get hit being way more than 7 meters away. Maybe it's the lag and stuff, but it doesn't seem right much of the time.

I got dizzy onslaughted through a wall and an entire tower level. xD. It wouldnt be so bad if the game wasnt utterly busted with range checks and desync. But here we are.

Iskiab · March 2020

In what setting? Solo play?

Most of the stamcros I’ve seen are really tanky but lack burst. If it’s a BG I’ll usually stick with my group and do what I usually do, ignore tanks and take them out last. Issue with stamcros is moreso they’re defiling everyone while you’re not taking them out, but push and there are almost always softer targets.

Lole · March 2020

Issue is not stamcro, the problem is stamina spammables...especially dizzy, that skill is so massively overloaded and broken... nerf dmg and get rid of the cc of it

Problem solved

Qbiken · March 2020

Lole wrote: »

Issue is not stamcro, the problem is stamina spammables...especially dizzy, that skill is so massively overloaded and broken... nerf dmg and get rid of the cc of it

Problem solved

Stamcro:
* Major defile on hard hitting spammable
* Ridiculous amount of damage mitigation
* Insanely good healing
Just to name a few.....

Ye stamcro is definitely not the issue.....

And how out of touch do you've to be to call dizzying swing overloaded? For a large proportion of stamina players (aside from stamplar and stamblade), you don't have any other choice for a good spammable outside of dizzying swing, which also happens to be one of the last remaining good alternatives for a CC (through off-balance, which also got an insane nerf btw). Dizzying swing is garbage compared to what it used to e

Big yikes my dude, big yikes...

Lole · March 2020

Qbiken wrote: »

Lole wrote: »

Issue is not stamcro, the problem is stamina spammables...especially dizzy, that skill is so massively overloaded and broken... nerf dmg and get rid of the cc of it

Problem solved

Stamcro:
* Major defile on hard hitting spammable
* Ridiculous amount of damage mitigation
* Insanely good healing
Just to name a few.....

Ye stamcro is definitely not the issue.....

And how out of touch do you've to be to call dizzying swing overloaded? For a large proportion of stamina players (aside from stamplar and stamblade), you don't have any other choice for a good spammable outside of dizzying swing, which also happens to be one of the last remaining good alternatives for a CC (through off-balance, which also got an insane nerf btw). Dizzying swing is garbage compared to what it used to e

Big yikes my dude, big yikes...

No stamcro is not the issue, defile is strong i agree but that’s it...

And yes dizzy is overloaded af a spammable shouldn’t have cc, if one has it the other spammables need it too, especially magicka chars need to have the same access to it via spammables if not then it creates a balanceissue that is barely fixable, since magicka builds allrdy lose 1 slot to equip a cc ability...

And when dizzy also outperforms every magicka spammable in dmg then it gets extremly stupid...
Usually light armor peps do more dmg and take more dmg... Doesn’t really line up in eso does it ? Stamina chars are more tanky on default...and most stamina builds outperform their magicka counterparts in pvp when it comes to dmg

Give me the same dmg on the magicka spammables and ofc the cc and it’s aight you can keep it, else it needs to go

If dizzy gets balanced and dmg tuned down then your chances to heal against defile also increases

Metemsycosis · March 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

In what setting? Solo play?

Most of the stamcros I’ve seen are really tanky but lack burst. If it’s a BG I’ll usually stick with my group and do what I usually do, ignore tanks and take them out last. Issue with stamcros is moreso they’re defiling everyone while you’re not taking them out, but push and there are almost always softer targets.

You didn't say lack burst did you.

JayKwellen · March 2020

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

In what setting? Solo play?

Most of the stamcros I’ve seen are really tanky but lack burst. If it’s a BG I’ll usually stick with my group and do what I usually do, ignore tanks and take them out last. Issue with stamcros is moreso they’re defiling everyone while you’re not taking them out, but push and there are almost always softer targets.

You didn't say lack burst did you.

Maybe he's just confused. I personally can't even remember the number of times I wasn't paying attention and found myself quickly blown up by a stamcro.

Also, not stam related at all but for magcro, I remember once (like a week ago) I was fighting a guy who was a known harmony terrorist. Well, I got a bit arrogant knowing all I had to do was avoid the big red circle on the ground, got a bit lazy and overextended. Homeboy dropped his fear totem on his boneyard and I was just a bit too slow moving out of it. And just like that -- feared, vulnerability ult, boneyard synergy, healthbar deleted. I think the boneyard hit for like 14k, and I'm not exactly squishy either. It was gross. I know this isn't really the norm for magcros, but I still always appreciate the beauty of a perfectly executed combo.

Lole · March 2020

JayKwellen wrote: »

Metemsycosis wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

In what setting? Solo play?

Most of the stamcros I’ve seen are really tanky but lack burst. If it’s a BG I’ll usually stick with my group and do what I usually do, ignore tanks and take them out last. Issue with stamcros is moreso they’re defiling everyone while you’re not taking them out, but push and there are almost always softer targets.

You didn't say lack burst did you.

Maybe he's just confused. I personally can't even remember the number of times I wasn't paying attention and found myself quickly blown up by a stamcro.

Also, not stam related at all but for magcro, I remember once (like a week ago) I was fighting a guy who was a known harmony terrorist. Well, I got a bit arrogant knowing all I had to do was avoid the big red circle on the ground, got a bit lazy and overextended. Homeboy dropped his fear totem on his boneyard and I was just a bit too slow moving out of it. And just like that -- feared, vulnerability ult, boneyard synergy, healthbar deleted. I think the boneyard hit for like 14k, and I'm not exactly squishy either. It was gross. I know this isn't really the norm for magcros, but I still always appreciate the beauty of a perfectly executed combo.

Magcro most fun class to play:)
Don’t call us terrorists:( it’s the only viable way to play magcro atm sadly :-/