Sonic the hedgehog (Speed cap?)

Cirantille · March 2020

Hey fellows I hope you are all having fun ^^

I basically want to make a flash speed build, just for fun

At the moment I am using:

-Stage 4 vamp (for sneak)
-Psijic skill: race against time
-Refreshing path
-Speed potions
-3 x swift jewellery
-Steed mundus
-Fiord's Legacy

+ Spriggans (nothing speed related but just to add more stamina + damage)

I was thinking of switching that to Cowards gear for even further speed just to push its limit to see because why not

But I read that there is a cap so I do not want parts of the sets or skills I have to be useless.

What is the speed cap? Have I already exceed the speed cap?

Major_Lag · March 2020

The hard speed cap is 200% of the base (unbuffed) running speed. NOT the base sprinting speed!
It's quite easy to reach the speed cap, actually. No need to stack every possible speed buff.

Stacking speed buffs beyond the hard cap only helps you by increasing your base running speed, making you go faster without sprinting. If you sprint then you will still hit the speed cap.

It's possible to travel on foot far faster than the speed cap allows, but only Sorc can do that (Streak) without any target to gapclose to.
Warden can also move faster than the speed cap, by gapclosing to a friendly player who's riding a horse. There used to be a bug where doing this repeatedly could earn you a temporary ban for "speedhacking", lol.

EDIT: I see that you are using multiple sources of Major Expedition (pots, RAT, path) - unique named buffs don't stack, so in terms of speed you gain nothing from using any more than one of those at a given time.

Cirantille · March 2020

Major_Lag wrote: »

The hard speed cap is 200% of the base (unbuffed) running speed. NOT the base sprinting speed!
It's quite easy to reach the speed cap, actually. No need to stack every possible speed buff.

It's possible to travel on foot far faster than the speed cap allows, but only Sorc can do that (Streak) without any target to gapclose to.
Warden can also move faster than the speed cap, by gapclosing to a friendly player who's riding a horse. There used to be a bug where doing this repeatedly could earn you a temporary ban for "speedhacking", lol.

EDIT: I see that you are using multiple sources of Major Expedition (pots, RAT, path) - unique named buffs don't stack, so in terms of speed you gain nothing from using any more than one of those at a given time.

Edit point is excellent, I can unslot the refreshing path then!
I had no idea, thank you.

But the other point is a little confusing. So if the base is 100% (as I read), and sprinting +40% (so as they say)
Fiords legacy adds 30%
Makes it 170% + 15% from jewellery + 10% from steed

So in total I reached 195% ?

zvavi · March 2020

100%+ 40% sprint + 30% expedition+ 30% swift 18%

.
Steed 10% legacy 15% concealed weapons 25% cant sneak and sprint at the same time so imo drop legacy.

Major_Lag · March 2020

Cirantille wrote: »

But the other point is a little confusing. So if the base is 100% (as I read), and sprinting +40% (so as they say)
Fiords legacy adds 30%
Makes it 170% + 15% from jewellery + 10% from steed

So in total I reached 195% ?

If you are using medium armor (as you should), you are also getting a +% bonus from the medium armor passive. Don't forget to include that in your calculations.
Other than that you just add the +% modifiers together - they stack additively.
Major Expedition is 30%, you forgot about that as well.

Cirantille · March 2020

Major_Lag wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

But the other point is a little confusing. So if the base is 100% (as I read), and sprinting +40% (so as they say)
Fiords legacy adds 30%
Makes it 170% + 15% from jewellery + 10% from steed

So in total I reached 195% ?

If you are using medium armor (as you should), you are also getting a +% bonus from the medium armor passive. Don't forget to include that in your calculations.
Other than that you just add the +% modifiers together - they stack additively.
Major Expedition is 30%, you forgot about that as well.

True there is also 15% from there
I already the passed the cap then huh
So it is true that it is not so difficult
I can ditch some swift jewellery, great:)

Major_Lag · March 2020

Cirantille wrote: »

Major_Lag wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

But the other point is a little confusing. So if the base is 100% (as I read), and sprinting +40% (so as they say)
Fiords legacy adds 30%
Makes it 170% + 15% from jewellery + 10% from steed

So in total I reached 195% ?

If you are using medium armor (as you should), you are also getting a +% bonus from the medium armor passive. Don't forget to include that in your calculations.
Other than that you just add the +% modifiers together - they stack additively.
Major Expedition is 30%, you forgot about that as well.

True there is also 15% from there
I already the passed the cap then huh
So it is true that it is not so difficult
I can ditch some swift jewellery, great:)

Yeah, it's easy to reach cap if you sprint.
It can be still useful to build over the speed cap if you want faster sneaking speed - can't sprint while sneaking.
In fact, I'm not sure if it's even possible to reach (let alone exceed) the speed cap while sneaking.

zvavi · March 2020

Major_Lag wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

Major_Lag wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

But the other point is a little confusing. So if the base is 100% (as I read), and sprinting +40% (so as they say)
Fiords legacy adds 30%
Makes it 170% + 15% from jewellery + 10% from steed

So in total I reached 195% ?

If you are using medium armor (as you should), you are also getting a +% bonus from the medium armor passive. Don't forget to include that in your calculations.
Other than that you just add the +% modifiers together - they stack additively.
Major Expedition is 30%, you forgot about that as well.

True there is also 15% from there
I already the passed the cap then huh
So it is true that it is not so difficult
I can ditch some swift jewellery, great:)

Yeah, it's easy to reach cap if you sprint.
It can be still useful to build over the speed cap if you want faster sneaking speed - can't sprint while sneaking.
In fact, I'm not sure if it's even possible to reach (let alone exceed) the speed cap while sneaking.

Easy, 25% concealed, 30% major exp, 30% swift

, 10% minor exp (jailbreaker), 10% mundus. Nb might be the only class that can accomplish it though.

zvavi wrote: »

New plan guys. Full mag version, 25% concealed,15% purple swift, 30% expedition, 10% steed, 20% marauder's haste. And if someone tells me that i cant cause they nerfed one of the other things mentioned, i am gonna laugh so hard.

Cirantille · March 2020

Major_Lag wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

Major_Lag wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

But the other point is a little confusing. So if the base is 100% (as I read), and sprinting +40% (so as they say)
Fiords legacy adds 30%
Makes it 170% + 15% from jewellery + 10% from steed

So in total I reached 195% ?

If you are using medium armor (as you should), you are also getting a +% bonus from the medium armor passive. Don't forget to include that in your calculations.
Other than that you just add the +% modifiers together - they stack additively.
Major Expedition is 30%, you forgot about that as well.

True there is also 15% from there
I already the passed the cap then huh
So it is true that it is not so difficult
I can ditch some swift jewellery, great:)

Yeah, it's easy to reach cap if you sprint.
It can be still useful to build over the speed cap if you want faster sneaking speed - can't sprint while sneaking.
In fact, I'm not sure if it's even possible to reach (let alone exceed) the speed cap while sneaking.

I dont think so either because I checked the sets and they usually add to sprint not to sneak
But general movement speed like switf and steed adds up to sneak I assume?

Cirantille · March 2020

zvavi wrote: »

Major_Lag wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

Major_Lag wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

But the other point is a little confusing. So if the base is 100% (as I read), and sprinting +40% (so as they say)
Fiords legacy adds 30%
Makes it 170% + 15% from jewellery + 10% from steed

So in total I reached 195% ?

If you are using medium armor (as you should), you are also getting a +% bonus from the medium armor passive. Don't forget to include that in your calculations.
Other than that you just add the +% modifiers together - they stack additively.
Major Expedition is 30%, you forgot about that as well.

True there is also 15% from there
I already the passed the cap then huh
So it is true that it is not so difficult
I can ditch some swift jewellery, great:)

Yeah, it's easy to reach cap if you sprint.
It can be still useful to build over the speed cap if you want faster sneaking speed - can't sprint while sneaking.
In fact, I'm not sure if it's even possible to reach (let alone exceed) the speed cap while sneaking.

Easy, 25% concealed, 30% major exp, 30% swift, 10% minor exp (jailbreaker), 10% mundus. Nb might be the only class that can accomplish it though.

Awesome
I will need to get this jailbreaker:)

zvavi · March 2020

Concealed is the magicka morph though while jailbreaker is stam set, so you will either have wasted skill slot or wasted set, mind you.

Langeston · March 2020

zvavi wrote: »

Major_Lag wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

Major_Lag wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

But the other point is a little confusing. So if the base is 100% (as I read), and sprinting +40% (so as they say)
Fiords legacy adds 30%
Makes it 170% + 15% from jewellery + 10% from steed

So in total I reached 195% ?

If you are using medium armor (as you should), you are also getting a +% bonus from the medium armor passive. Don't forget to include that in your calculations.
Other than that you just add the +% modifiers together - they stack additively.
Major Expedition is 30%, you forgot about that as well.

True there is also 15% from there
I already the passed the cap then huh
So it is true that it is not so difficult
I can ditch some swift jewellery, great:)

Yeah, it's easy to reach cap if you sprint.
It can be still useful to build over the speed cap if you want faster sneaking speed - can't sprint while sneaking.
In fact, I'm not sure if it's even possible to reach (let alone exceed) the speed cap while sneaking.

Easy, 25% concealed, 30% major exp, 30% swift, 10% minor exp (jailbreaker), 10% mundus. Nb might be the only class that can accomplish it though.

3 gold Swift jewelry only gets you 18%.

zvavi · March 2020

Langeston wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Major_Lag wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

Major_Lag wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

But the other point is a little confusing. So if the base is 100% (as I read), and sprinting +40% (so as they say)
Fiords legacy adds 30%
Makes it 170% + 15% from jewellery + 10% from steed

So in total I reached 195% ?

If you are using medium armor (as you should), you are also getting a +% bonus from the medium armor passive. Don't forget to include that in your calculations.
Other than that you just add the +% modifiers together - they stack additively.
Major Expedition is 30%, you forgot about that as well.

True there is also 15% from there
I already the passed the cap then huh
So it is true that it is not so difficult
I can ditch some swift jewellery, great:)

Yeah, it's easy to reach cap if you sprint.
It can be still useful to build over the speed cap if you want faster sneaking speed - can't sprint while sneaking.
In fact, I'm not sure if it's even possible to reach (let alone exceed) the speed cap while sneaking.

Easy, 25% concealed, 30% major exp, 30% swift, 10% minor exp (jailbreaker), 10% mundus. Nb might be the only class that can accomplish it though.

3 gold Swift jewelry only gets you 18%.

They nerfed it? mb then. F*** at 4.25, didnt notice at all, why even? Hmm gotta be a way to get those last 7%

zvavi · March 2020

New plan guys. Full mag version, 25% concealed,15% purple swift, 30% expedition, 10% steed, 20% marauder's haste. And if someone tells me that i cant cause they nerfed one of the other things mentioned, i am gonna laugh so hard.

Edit: now that i look at it, is steed buffing only sprint speed?

Wandering_Immigrant · March 2020

No steed is general movement.

You can get the extra 7%, at least in spurts, by being Bosmer and rolling. Yeah it breaks stealth but if you cloak right after you're only exposed for a split second.

Edit: might be 6% not sure, but close enough.

Langeston · March 2020

zvavi wrote: »

New plan guys. Full mag version, 25% concealed,15% purple swift, 30% expedition, 10% steed, 20% marauder's haste. And if someone tells me that i cant cause they nerfed one of the other things mentioned, i am gonna laugh so hard.

Edit: now that i look at it, is steed buffing only sprint speed?

That would work, and it would put you right at the speed cap. You can just back bar Marauder's Haste.

zvavi · March 2020

Langeston wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

New plan guys. Full mag version, 25% concealed,15% purple swift, 30% expedition, 10% steed, 20% marauder's haste. And if someone tells me that i cant cause they nerfed one of the other things mentioned, i am gonna laugh so hard.

Edit: now that i look at it, is steed buffing only sprint speed?

That would work, and it would put you right at the speed cap. You can just back bar Marauder's Haste.

I still have no f***ing idea why would they nerf swift though. It was not swifts fault that no one could be targeted, freaking blanket nerfs

Iskiab · March 2020

If you’re a magblade this build works well. I use it to harvest and do surveys.

Stealth at the speed cap:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=203729

RAT and Dampen magic don’t break stealth:

Vampire + Concealed (25%) + RAT (30%) + Steed (10%) + 3x swift (15%) + Mauraders Haste (20%) = speed cap

Plus Darloc returns more stamina than stealth costs. Plus from stealth you can usually harvest a node and pop back into stealth before the mob attacks. Just hit shadowy disguise when you’re near mobs.

It looked good on paper so I tried it, when I tried it the build worked better than I could have imagined. It’s super fun too.

dazee · March 2020

So when Kevduit made his build which sprinted faster than a maxed mount, was this before the cap was introduced?

Major_Lag · March 2020

dazee wrote: »

So when Kevduit made his build which sprinted faster than a maxed mount, was this before the cap was introduced?

Yes. Before the speed cap, it was possible to reach speeds like that.

That was "before my times" so to speak, but I presume that the speed cap was introduced for what should be fairly obvious PvP reasons - especially since a scroll carrier build that's faster than a maxed horse (+Rapids) would have been literally untouchable.

Alamakot · March 2020

It seems, noone mentioned Wind Running -additional 2% speed passive from 120 CP in Lover tree

mocap · March 2020

don't forget about Ork. 10% sprint bonus.

Hotdog_23 · March 2020

Have to love those farming builds.

Cirantille · March 2020

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Have to love those farming builds.

Hahahah I was more thinking of a scroll runner & gankblade but this is actually a good idea

Collecting surveys would be f-f-f-fast

Cirantille · March 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

If you’re a magblade this build works well. I use it to harvest and do surveys.

Stealth at the speed cap:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=203729

RAT and Dampen magic don’t break stealth:

Vampire + Concealed (25%) + RAT (30%) + Steed (10%) + 3x swift (15%) + Mauraders Haste (20%) = speed cap

Plus Darloc returns more stamina than stealth costs. Plus from stealth you can usually harvest a node and pop back into stealth before the mob attacks. Just hit shadowy disguise when you’re near mobs.

It looked good on paper so I tried it, when I tried it the build worked better than I could have imagined. It’s super fun too.

I respec between stamina and magicka from time to time so thank you for this ^^

Iskiab · March 2020

Cirantille wrote: »

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Have to love those farming builds.

Hahahah I was more thinking of a scroll runner & gankblade but this is actually a good idea

Collecting surveys would be f-f-f-fast

When you have the scroll you can’t go into stealth I think. I’d look at stamsorc for scroll running.

Also definitely go impen, sometimes it’s just faster to fall and die then go the long way around.

dazee · March 2020

mocap wrote: »

don't forget about Ork. 10% sprint bonus.

Red armor for another 10%

DeepSeaDiver · March 2020

Sprinter rather than sneaker ...

Didn't theory craft, just did it so may not be optimal but converted a spare Orc StamSorc into my mat gather using Cowards + Dark Stride + monster set of your choice. All 7pc medium. CP allocation. Not all pieces have Well Fitted trait. Sprints on foot for eons and good enough to solo some WBs lol.

Horse? We don't need no stinking horse!

Still on my to-do-list but never got around to testing scroll running in Cyro with it though, oh well.

Maybe just me but things feel slower these days (not checked patch notes)?

Saubon · March 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

If you’re a magblade this build works well. I use it to harvest and do surveys.

Stealth at the speed cap:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=203729

RAT and Dampen magic don’t break stealth:

Vampire + Concealed (25%) + RAT (30%) + Steed (10%) + 3x swift (15%) + Mauraders Haste (20%) = speed cap

Plus Darloc returns more stamina than stealth costs. Plus from stealth you can usually harvest a node and pop back into stealth before the mob attacks. Just hit shadowy disguise when you’re near mobs.

It looked good on paper so I tried it, when I tried it the build worked better than I could have imagined. It’s super fun too.

Well, this is interesting:) Can Marauders Haste proc from Para Bellum set or from Reinforced CP passive?

Iskiab · March 2020

Saubon wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

If you’re a magblade this build works well. I use it to harvest and do surveys.

Stealth at the speed cap:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=203729

RAT and Dampen magic don’t break stealth:

Vampire + Concealed (25%) + RAT (30%) + Steed (10%) + 3x swift (15%) + Mauraders Haste (20%) = speed cap

Plus Darloc returns more stamina than stealth costs. Plus from stealth you can usually harvest a node and pop back into stealth before the mob attacks. Just hit shadowy disguise when you’re near mobs.

It looked good on paper so I tried it, when I tried it the build worked better than I could have imagined. It’s super fun too.

Well, this is interesting:) Can Marauders Haste proc from Para Bellum set or from Reinforced CP passive?

I don’t know. I use it in overland so damage really isn’t a factor and I haven’t min-maxed it beyond gathering. What’s great though is dampen magic, rat and mist all don’t break stealth. Impen so I can jump off cliffs, intentionally or unintentionally, and pay less repair fees.

universal_wrath · May 2020

Saubon wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

If you’re a magblade this build works well. I use it to harvest and do surveys.

Stealth at the speed cap:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=203729

RAT and Dampen magic don’t break stealth:

Vampire + Concealed (25%) + RAT (30%) + Steed (10%) + 3x swift (15%) + Mauraders Haste (20%) = speed cap

Plus Darloc returns more stamina than stealth costs. Plus from stealth you can usually harvest a node and pop back into stealth before the mob attacks. Just hit shadowy disguise when you’re near mobs.

It looked good on paper so I tried it, when I tried it the build worked better than I could have imagined. It’s super fun too.

Well, this is interesting:) Can Marauders Haste proc from Para Bellum set or from Reinforced CP passive?

No, anything that you do not cast does not proc it, atleast that what happened when I tried it using combat physician and imperium. Zos "fixed" this 2-3 patches ago as proc sets are not supposed to proc other proc sets. You have to actively use a dmg shield skill in order to activate the set.