Last few patches have been a attack on elitists/min/maxers not the playerbase.

Paidkilla · March 2020

If you have not noticed a trend its there, Zen will always cater to the regular players, they bring in the money. This is the first mmo where i have seen changes directed at elitists and it's interesting. Premades removed, animation cancelling changed, certain sets that were overperforming in pvp changed, no light attack weaving now on the board. Any advantage your looking for they are stripping. Glad i never depended on any of that <shrug>

Jjitsuboy98 · March 2020

They do not need to be making any changes until performance is fixed.

Paidkilla · March 2020

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

They do not need to be making any changes until performance is fixed.

As far as performance i have not had any problems unless i step into cyrodiil. Dungeons, bgs and everything in the game has ran smooth. Cyrodiil has been a lagfest since they removed softcaps, changed the way aoe works, and added cp. Ball groups runnnig all over spamming abilities and never dying causes lag. That Cyrodiil lag has been there for 5 years and is never going to stop til they figure out a way to get everyone off the same cyro server. Theres a reason more and more people are changing to other campaigns , When one campaign is locked 24 7 with 810s spamming skills and are unkillable it turns into a lagfest.

UntilValhalla13 · March 2020

We're a dying breed as it is now. So many endgame people have already gone. There won't be a point in running anything anymore. The game is barely functioning as it is.

Contaminate · March 2020

Most game don’t attack the players who are good at the game because most devs actually want people to put time and effort into their game

ZOS would rather no one go past normal mode and definitely don’t ever try PvP because then you see how messed up and broken and buggy it all is. Just keep buying your $100 houses and don’t question anything.

Paidkilla · March 2020

Every endgame person i knew left many years ago during the Dragonknight/Vampire/Talons disease. Vet pvp players i played with saw a few instances of one dk soloing full warbands and not dying and left. But for every vet that complains about everything, Zos prolly gains 3 new players excited about the game. It's not going to affect them. On eso facebook group alone, i see at least 5 new players a day joined excited about the game.

InaMoonlight · March 2020

Min/max doesn't really appeal to me. Don't get me wrong, in my former games, like wow, lotro, mythwars, even puzzle pirates (Blame my ex!!) I was always the min/maxer perfectionist, the pvp queen who helped put "grinding" in the dictionary. But, I kinda grew weary at that, especially since i see a new breed of "us", one that has no manners, rages like a scorn fiveyearold and are exceptionally rude to newbies and filthy casuals. Something in me just went topsy turvy when i saw people handing out rl death-threats and other less than dignified behavior towards our fellow players.

It was a WHOLE other feel to a pvp community, the 95% chance was whoever you beat ended up a friend, and one had respect for the other, USUALLY! But the % has shifted to the other favor, so I'm done with that, I am now a pro-noob "casual

" Spend my time actually having fun with people just dallying around in maps questing, decorating, helping newbies in whatever zonechat i'm either chilling or getting surveys in.

We all play for fun, but should it only be our own?

What I'm EVER-SO-SLOWLY getting to is that, this game is supposed to be fun for everyone, not just the sleek cats with the limber joints of a 13yearold. That your brain should be the advantage, not just how FAST you can click. I find it disturbing that peoples argument against changes is that "NOOOOOO then someone else will have a chance to have the same experience, fun or gears given they learned mechanics"... WTH kinda attitude is that? Only those with the perfect weaving rotation gets to see all aspects of the game? Where's the fun in that?

I LOVE a challenge, more so then most. BUT, we have players of all ages here, we are the adult pool, with all that goes with in good and bad. Including aching joints! It should be about brainwork, not fingerwork - pref 2/1...

WHat? You darling min-maxing hating pros are so brilliant you can't adapt to more changes now that you finally learned THIS way?

*snortgrin*

For me, I'll object when it's an actually unworkable scenario/bug (wich I don't think this is)... but changes... I'll adapt. And have fun while I'm doing it.

iCaliban · March 2020

Paidkilla wrote: »

If you have not noticed a trend its there, Zen will always cater to the regular players, they bring in the money. This is the first mmo where i have seen changes directed at elitists and it's interesting. Premades removed, animation cancelling changed, certain sets that were overperforming in pvp changed, no light attack weaving now on the board. Any advantage your looking for they are stripping. Glad i never depended on any of that <shrug>

So the combat is being changed so questers like you can what? Role play in riften more easily?

DukeDiewalker · March 2020

Dead game

InaMoonlight · March 2020

iCaliban wrote: »

Paidkilla wrote: »

If you have not noticed a trend its there, Zen will always cater to the regular players, they bring in the money. This is the first mmo where i have seen changes directed at elitists and it's interesting. Premades removed, animation cancelling changed, certain sets that were overperforming in pvp changed, no light attack weaving now on the board. Any advantage your looking for they are stripping. Glad i never depended on any of that <shrug>

So the combat is being changed so questers like you can what? Role play in riften more easily?

Brave dungeon content, without getting slaughtered by, not the mobs, but your group? Whats wrong with that? You'd die no more then before, there would just be alot more players able and willing to participate?

It wouldn't as such be easier, just different and more including...

Paidkilla · March 2020

iCaliban wrote: »

Paidkilla wrote: »

If you have not noticed a trend its there, Zen will always cater to the regular players, they bring in the money. This is the first mmo where i have seen changes directed at elitists and it's interesting. Premades removed, animation cancelling changed, certain sets that were overperforming in pvp changed, no light attack weaving now on the board. Any advantage your looking for they are stripping. Glad i never depended on any of that <shrug>

So the combat is being changed so questers like you can what? Role play in riften more easily?

Thats funny, can't recall last time i did a quest. 90% of my time is spent in battlegrounds. Before cp cyro i spent all my time soloing on a no stealth melee build in cyro. I don't do guilds, quest, trials any of that. Ive always been about pushing myself in solo pvp. But i'm also about fairness and balance in combat. I have no houses, and every set in my bank revolves around pvp. It tickles me when guys like you tell me to go rp or quest. If you ask why i don't do cp, because players are rewarded not by skill but time played. Thats why that campaign stays locked, need that cp crutch. It's pretty evident in duels as well.

Sahidom · March 2020

I don't feel the original poster's statements are accurate. The game, itself, needed an overhaul. It's moving in a positive direction to benefit the entire player base but more could be considered, but realistically not now since we have YET to learn/receive the mentioned future changes to the Champion Point system. This will be a significant factor, and who knows, it may stir another round of rebalancing builds.

Note: This post was made in consideration that the current misfires and positional desynchronization would be resolved before introducing further changes.

Onefrkncrzypope · March 2020

How, if they hurt top dps how does it not hurt everyone below the max? Like if they nerfed perfected reli instead of nonperfected that will only hurt top players but skill nerfs hit everyone doesn't it? Obsfucating things like major vulnerability makes it harder on the mid tier than the top class groups. I mean what is there to celebrate when fake difficulty is added to the game.

Paidkilla · March 2020

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

How, if they hurt top dps how does it not hurt everyone below the max? Like if they nerfed perfected reli instead of nonperfected that will only hurt top players but skill nerfs hit everyone doesn't it? Obsfucating things like major vulnerability makes it harder on the mid tier than the top class groups. I mean what is there to celebrate when fake difficulty is added to the game.

You actually think this is about pve? Hate to break the news to you but the same small group of pvp players, you know the ones that call everybody potatoes or casuals any time you hint at taking away a advantage is causing this. Just like the bg change, The animation cancel change, etc, etc. This small player base is responsible for hundreds of major nerfs throughout eso history. You think they get on pts to test? they get on there to look for advantages they can use when things go live. They come up with mechanics or builds that give a advantage that ends up spreading like wildfire, then nerfs happen. How many nerfs have happened in this game that was not a big deal pve wise but was breaking pvp? There needs to be a time when its time to grow up and start pointing fingers at the right people. Is it Zens fault or those type of players why things get changed?

Onefrkncrzypope · March 2020

Paidkilla wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

How, if they hurt top dps how does it not hurt everyone below the max? Like if they nerfed perfected reli instead of nonperfected that will only hurt top players but skill nerfs hit everyone doesn't it? Obsfucating things like major vulnerability makes it harder on the mid tier than the top class groups. I mean what is there to celebrate when fake difficulty is added to the game.

You actually think this is about pve? Hate to break the news to you but the same small group of pvp players, you know the ones that call everybody potatoes or casuals any time you hint at taking away a advantage is causing this. Just like the bg change, The animation cancel change, etc, etc. This small player base is responsible for hundreds of major nerfs throughout eso history. You think they get on pts to test? they get on there to look for advantages they can use when things go live. They come up with mechanics or builds that give a advantage that ends up spreading like wildfire, then nerfs happen. How many nerfs have happened in this game that was not a big deal pve wise but was breaking pvp? There needs to be a time when its time to grow up and start pointing fingers at the right people. Is it Zens fault or those type of players why things get changed?

I mean talking PvP in anyway other than trial and error is a moot point. There are so many variables that it will never be able to balance. They only look to complaining when PvP is concerned.

Hate to break it to you PvP is a smaller player base. If you are saying that they are catering to the casual then they are catering to overworked questers aka low end pve.

Also balanced damage output in pve should give you more of a norm in PvP. Well if the damage skills are applicable in both.

PvP balancing or even pve balanced isn't controlled by any player. Talk to a rep, the changes you are mad at probably made the rep jaws dropped to.

Paidkilla · March 2020

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Paidkilla wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

How, if they hurt top dps how does it not hurt everyone below the max? Like if they nerfed perfected reli instead of nonperfected that will only hurt top players but skill nerfs hit everyone doesn't it? Obsfucating things like major vulnerability makes it harder on the mid tier than the top class groups. I mean what is there to celebrate when fake difficulty is added to the game.

You actually think this is about pve? Hate to break the news to you but the same small group of pvp players, you know the ones that call everybody potatoes or casuals any time you hint at taking away a advantage is causing this. Just like the bg change, The animation cancel change, etc, etc. This small player base is responsible for hundreds of major nerfs throughout eso history. You think they get on pts to test? they get on there to look for advantages they can use when things go live. They come up with mechanics or builds that give a advantage that ends up spreading like wildfire, then nerfs happen. How many nerfs have happened in this game that was not a big deal pve wise but was breaking pvp? There needs to be a time when its time to grow up and start pointing fingers at the right people. Is it Zens fault or those type of players why things get changed?

I mean talking PvP in anyway other than trial and error is a moot point. There are so many variables that it will never be able to balance. They only look to complaining when PvP is concerned.

Hate to break it to you PvP is a smaller player base. If you are saying that they are catering to the casual then they are catering to overworked questers aka low end pve.

Also balanced damage output in pve should give you more of a norm in PvP. Well if the damage skills are applicable in both.

PvP balancing or even pve balanced isn't controlled by any player. Talk to a rep, the changes you are mad at probably made the rep jaws dropped to.

I am not mad about anything might wan't to reread. I said a small group of pvpers are responsible for the nerfs most the time. They find something overperforming or broken and beat the skin off it til Zen ultimately has to deal with it.

Crash427 · March 2020

You say BGs are working fine but for a lot of us they're not. If they really are working fine for you, great. I'm happy for you. For some of us the desync, skills not firing, pots not being used, utli's not firing, etc, have made them unplayable.

And where is there a campaign locked 24/7? Not on PC/NA. DC and AD are barely hitting pop lock at prime time and sometimes i doubt it's actually locked. It'll say pop locked but if i leave i can get back in without a q.

dcam86b14_ESO · March 2020

lol
yal need to calm down.

Tigertron · March 2020

Yes. ESO is just for looking good. It not a serious game and we should not expect it to have any type of challenge. It's a doll house with animated Barbies. Pew pew. That was cool looking. Do it again. Pew pew. Let me screen capture that and post it to Instagram.

Dusk_Coven · March 2020

re: changes to overperforming sets in PvP and no premades… PvP was destined to be a trainwreck from the start. They have so many variables in skills and gear that it was inevitable people would find overperforming builds and troll builds and strategies like ball groups spamming skills, etcetera. And no proper league system means none of that ever had a chance to be properly managed. Targeted changes are merely a bandaid that only lasts so long, if they even worked properly given the variety of PvP environments.

Paidkilla · March 2020

Tigertron wrote: »

Yes. ESO is just for looking good. It not a serious game and we should not expect it to have any type of challenge. It's a doll house with animated Barbies. Pew pew. That was cool looking. Do it again. Pew pew. Let me screen capture that and post it to Instagram.

Sorry bud, you left your skill and pvp talent at the door when you decided to play a game that has a 5 button skillbar with no skill cooldowns lol.

Commancho · March 2020

Paidkilla wrote: »

Tigertron wrote: »

Yes. ESO is just for looking good. It not a serious game and we should not expect it to have any type of challenge. It's a doll house with animated Barbies. Pew pew. That was cool looking. Do it again. Pew pew. Let me screen capture that and post it to Instagram.

Sorry bud, you left your skill and pvp talent at the door when you decided to play a game that has a 5 button skillbar with no skill cooldowns lol.

Ermmmmm.... but....but....there are actualy cooldowns....

Van_Winkle · March 2020

Paidkilla wrote: »

If you have not noticed a trend its there, Zen will always cater to the regular players, they bring in the money. This is the first mmo where i have seen changes directed at elitists and it's interesting. Premades removed, animation cancelling changed, certain sets that were overperforming in pvp changed, no light attack weaving now on the board. Any advantage your looking for they are stripping. Glad i never depended on any of that <shrug>

This is the first mmo where designers kill they own game with the goal to satisfy people, who do not even want to learn how to play it. May be that's why 'old' and loyal players just leave and new players become toxic forum whiners, which demand to nerf everything that they can't handle.

Coppes · March 2020

Commancho wrote: »

Paidkilla wrote: »

Tigertron wrote: »

Yes. ESO is just for looking good. It not a serious game and we should not expect it to have any type of challenge. It's a doll house with animated Barbies. Pew pew. That was cool looking. Do it again. Pew pew. Let me screen capture that and post it to Instagram.

Sorry bud, you left your skill and pvp talent at the door when you decided to play a game that has a 5 button skillbar with no skill cooldowns lol.

Ermmmmm.... but....but....there are actualy cooldowns....

There are no skill cooldowns, but there is a GCD.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · March 2020

I like most of these changes, having high ping and low sustain this will certainly help, one thing I do not like is the change to Molag Kena given I use this set for the damage boost.

Asardes · March 2020

Well I looked at the proposed changes and they will not be a disadvantage to endgame players since they will adapt fast, already knowing and planning for the changes. In fact the worst hit will be those who are still learning and progressing, since they have had difficulties even learning the light attack weaving properly.

Royaji · March 2020

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I like most of these changes, having high ping and low sustain this will certainly help, one thing I do not like is the change to Molag Kena given I use this set for the damage boost.

You might want to rethink your position...

With high ping and low sustain you would be screwed even more than you currently are if changes on PTS were to go live. For now not weaving leaves you with less damage. On PTS without weaving you will be left without resources (can't weave LA, don't get resources back) and damage to boot (because you are not doing any damage without resources).

Kalante · March 2020

Paidkilla wrote: »

If you have not noticed a trend its there, Zen will always cater to the regular players, they bring in the money. This is the first mmo where i have seen changes directed at elitists and it's interesting. Premades removed, animation cancelling changed, certain sets that were overperforming in pvp changed, no light attack weaving now on the board. Any advantage your looking for they are stripping. Glad i never depended on any of that <shrug>

and guess what they will still be better than you regardless of how many times they nerf good players. oh excuse me "elitist" like everyone who I come across is worse than me likes to instantly call me after I kill them in less than 5 seconds because they think light attack spam is enough to play this game.

FinneganFroth · March 2020

I normally try not to jump in on a post like this, but this PTS announcement broke me. Even at my sub-par 70k DPS, I feel this is just a blatant "screw you" to people who have really worked on their builds and their play-style over the years. What the hell are they thinking?

yRaven · March 2020

Why didn't i go to FFXIV when i had the chance? God dammit

Commancho · March 2020

Spaceroamer wrote: »

Commancho wrote: »

Paidkilla wrote: »

Tigertron wrote: »

Yes. ESO is just for looking good. It not a serious game and we should not expect it to have any type of challenge. It's a doll house with animated Barbies. Pew pew. That was cool looking. Do it again. Pew pew. Let me screen capture that and post it to Instagram.

Sorry bud, you left your skill and pvp talent at the door when you decided to play a game that has a 5 button skillbar with no skill cooldowns lol.

Ermmmmm.... but....but....there are actualy cooldowns....

There are no skill cooldowns, but there is a GCD.

There are actualy a 3 global cooldowns... LA/HA, abilities and ultimate. You can overlap them up by canceling some animations. Sometimes more, sometimes less. That's a skill-based part of the game which can improve your DPS by 20-40%... Diffrent abilities require diffrent weaving. I'm not against it, neither support it, but you can't deny that's a skill based game.