Help Wanted: PvP Debuff/Buff Tank

JestersRevenge · March 2020

Not interested in permablock. I enjoy playing support roles in Cyro. Most builds trying to fill this role seem to be a Warden, but what I have currently is a Nord DK. My very rough outline:

Debuffs:
- Defile
o Minor = Fasalla’s Guile or Thurvokin monster set
o Major = Durok’s Bane, DK Standard, Ward of Cyro (work with light/heavy attacks?)
- Maim
o Minor = Thurvokin monster set, Choking Talons, Low Slash (Heroic)
- Fracture/Breach
o Major = Puncture/Pierce (single), Noxious Breath (aoe), Razor Caltrops (aoe)
- Vulnerability
o Minor = Concussed from shock damage/lightning staff (shock enchantment + charged trait + destro staff passives + wall of storms)

Buffs:
- Brutality – most people may already slot/potion
o Minor = Mountain’s Blessing Passive
o Major = Molten Weapons
- Endurance (stam recovery)
o Minor = Circle of Protection (Fighter’s Guild)
o Major = Green Dragon Blood – expensive, most benefits covered elsewhere
- Expedition
o Minor = Charging Maneuver
o Major = Fiery Grip, Rapids
- Force (crit damage)
o Major = Aggressive Horn ultimate
- Fortitude (health recovery)
o Major = Dragon’s blood
- Heroisim (ulti gain)
o Minor = Heroic slash
- Mending (healing done)
o Major = Obsidian Shield/Frag Shield + Echoing Vigor
- Protection
o Minor = Circle of Protection (Fighter’s Guild)
o Minor = Puncture / Ransack morph
- Resolve
o Major = Spiked Armor
- Sorcery (spell damage)
o Major = Molten Weapons
- Vitality (healing received)
o Green Dragon Blood

Other possible crafted sets – will allow some flexibility
o Vastarie’s Tutelage
o Shacklebreaker
o Sload’s
o Twice born star

Appreciate your thoughts/criticism. Struggling to find a second tank set beyond the defile sets...

Hexquisite · March 2020

As for 2nd set, my defile tank warden wears Fasalla’s Guile/ Pariah. One thing nice about Fasalla is that it doesn't give a big bright indicator that people step out of. But I will eventually get Thurvokin and wear that instead of Bloodspawn.

People choose Warden a lot because Corrupted Pollen is awesome, and cheap to use. But also Shimmering shield not only protect syou when standing in a group defiling, but charges ultimate.

I do know some gret Defile tank DKS though, but I am not sure what they run for all their sets now days.

Iskiab · March 2020

Depends on the setting really. How will you be using the set in cyrodiil?

If you’re in an organized group the brutality buff is really good because it will allow people to use immovability pots. Unless you’re a warden or stam, you give up a lot to get major brutality/sorcery

I’d focus on DK’s strengths, here are some ideas:

- major defile with shifting standard in an Ult gen build. You can gain Ult while shifting standard is down and probably get close to 100% uptime, every time you shift the standard it gives a new synergy too
- Talons for minor maim
- Get minor defile from a set

I’m going to setup my MagDK for BGs soon but don’t know what works best, but there’s a lot of potential.

JestersRevenge · March 2020

At the moment I play mostly solo and when in a support role, I zerg surf.

For now I can run Fasalla's until I get Thurvokin and get my major defile from the Standard.

Should my other five piece be a resource set or another resistance set? Fasalla's has the health resource covered and Bloodspawn will cover ulti and resistances. I considered a crafted set as that will allow some flexibility with weapons.

Appreciate the feedback.

Iskiab · March 2020

Can’t go wrong with NMA and back bar potatoes or BRP DW.

NordSwordnBoard · March 2020

I run a Nord Necro for this role sometimes, and had some fun so far using grace of gloom set. The Necro bringing aoe maj fracture with maj defile BBs with skills obviously helps. Proc gloom & weave with the scythe for health sapping. Deaden pain helps with the 15 second downtime. Looks cool and fits Necro aesthetic. With Thurvokun, fear totem and the above you can be an area denial tank, or jump into a group to spread them out more than stand your ground blocking.

(2 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(3 items) Adds 4% Healing Taken
(4 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(5 items) When you take damage, you become a living shadow, causing your damaging Light and Heavy Attacks to heal you for 2000 and gaining Major Evasion for 5 seconds, reducing damage from area attacks by 25%. This effect can occur every 15 seconds.

Iskiab · March 2020

Thinking about it, I’d try daring Corsair or Shalks for Ult gen. Just don’t get mad at me if it sucks, I haven’t personally tried it. Ult gen in theory should be good on a DK.

Warraxx · March 2020

make damage

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · March 2020

If you're looking to play in a group, Shifting standard is one of the best defiles because you can re-position it.

Fasalla is ok but they have to be really close to you - not always possible, might be best with some buff set for your group rather then that.

choking talons probs best bet for maim that way you can run EG or BS for monster helm.

JestersRevenge · March 2020

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

If you're looking to play in a group, Shifting standard is one of the best defiles because you can re-position it.

Fasalla is ok but they have to be really close to you - not always possible, might be best with some buff set for your group rather then that.

choking talons probs best bet for maim that way you can run EG or BS for monster helm.

Finally took him for a test drive last night: Fasalla's, Reactive, Bloodspawn. Ran Shifting Standard, Choking Talons, Wall of Storms. Had some fun scraps. The great thing about Reactive is that I don't really have to break a stun unless it's an emergency. I don't know of anything but that set that provides 35% damage reduction. Indirectly helps stam sustain. May switch to Atronach for more mag recovery.

Will switch up Fasalla's once I get Thurvokun.

Iskiab · March 2020

JestersRevenge wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

If you're looking to play in a group, Shifting standard is one of the best defiles because you can re-position it.

Fasalla is ok but they have to be really close to you - not always possible, might be best with some buff set for your group rather then that.

choking talons probs best bet for maim that way you can run EG or BS for monster helm.

Finally took him for a test drive last night: Fasalla's, Reactive, Bloodspawn. Ran Shifting Standard, Choking Talons, Wall of Storms. Had some fun scraps. The great thing about Reactive is that I don't really have to break a stun unless it's an emergency. I don't know of anything but that set that provides 35% damage reduction. Indirectly helps stam sustain. May switch to Atronach for more mag recovery.

Will switch up Fasalla's once I get Thurvokun.

Were you in BGs or Cyro? I’ve always wanted to try a defile tank but I primarily BG. I can’t decide between a hybrid Necro or a MagDK.

JestersRevenge · March 2020

I was in CP Cyro over the weekend on PS4 NA. It was equal parts frustration and fun, given the lag.

I have a Warden gathering dust that I'll try a similar setup on given they have a class Major Defile. I don't do BG's much, but I have to imagine the positioning is very dynamic whereas in Cyro, you can post up in choke points. Shifting Standard is a godsend when the fights do move. May actually drop Fasalla's for a mix of Potentates and Endurance for higher uptime on Standard. Plus, I think percentage based mitigation may be slightly better. Reactive is a great set and I'd imagine better still in BGs as 1) four players are not likely to burst you down like a zerg will when disabled and 2) indirectly keeps stam sustain solid as it may not be needed for break free unless it's an emergency.

Not a fan of the permablock style, but I think I'm all little too active at times and can waste magicka. Struggling with some sustain there. L2P issues most likely.

Iskiab · March 2020

JestersRevenge wrote: »

I was in CP Cyro over the weekend on PS4 NA. It was equal parts frustration and fun, given the lag.

I have a Warden gathering dust that I'll try a similar setup on given they have a class Major Defile. I don't do BG's much, but I have to imagine the positioning is very dynamic whereas in Cyro, you can post up in choke points. Shifting Standard is a godsend when the fights do move. May actually drop Fasalla's for a mix of Potentates and Endurance for higher uptime on Standard. Plus, I think percentage based mitigation may be slightly better. Reactive is a great set and I'd imagine better still in BGs as 1) four players are not likely to burst you down like a zerg will when disabled and 2) indirectly keeps stam sustain solid as it may not be needed for break free unless it's an emergency.

Not a fan of the permablock style, but I think I'm all little too active at times and can waste magicka. Struggling with some sustain there. L2P issues most likely.

I’ve often wondered how some of these super tanks sustain too. I think it’s 7 heavy + S&B Ult then heavy attacks or desert rose.

People like to trash the playstyle, but I imagine it’s harder to do than it looks.

Daffen · March 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

JestersRevenge wrote: »

I was in CP Cyro over the weekend on PS4 NA. It was equal parts frustration and fun, given the lag.

I have a Warden gathering dust that I'll try a similar setup on given they have a class Major Defile. I don't do BG's much, but I have to imagine the positioning is very dynamic whereas in Cyro, you can post up in choke points. Shifting Standard is a godsend when the fights do move. May actually drop Fasalla's for a mix of Potentates and Endurance for higher uptime on Standard. Plus, I think percentage based mitigation may be slightly better. Reactive is a great set and I'd imagine better still in BGs as 1) four players are not likely to burst you down like a zerg will when disabled and 2) indirectly keeps stam sustain solid as it may not be needed for break free unless it's an emergency.

Not a fan of the permablock style, but I think I'm all little too active at times and can waste magicka. Struggling with some sustain there. L2P issues most likely.

I’ve often wondered how some of these super tanks sustain too. I think it’s 7 heavy + S&B Ult then heavy attacks or desert rose.

People like to trash the playstyle, but I imagine it’s harder to do than it looks.

I play one of those "super tanks" sustaining is just as you said: 7 heavy snb ult then heavy attacks. I play on dk so i can get 1k stam from casting fragmented shield as well. Its not hard to play it but you must be comfortable to not lose control and not waste resources using skills that are still active. Its really all about keeping your buffs up and holding block. Heres a video showcasing my build on my permablock tank.

https://youtu.be/Y4nKaNxWHHI

Iskiab · March 2020

Daffen wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

JestersRevenge wrote: »

I was in CP Cyro over the weekend on PS4 NA. It was equal parts frustration and fun, given the lag.

I have a Warden gathering dust that I'll try a similar setup on given they have a class Major Defile. I don't do BG's much, but I have to imagine the positioning is very dynamic whereas in Cyro, you can post up in choke points. Shifting Standard is a godsend when the fights do move. May actually drop Fasalla's for a mix of Potentates and Endurance for higher uptime on Standard. Plus, I think percentage based mitigation may be slightly better. Reactive is a great set and I'd imagine better still in BGs as 1) four players are not likely to burst you down like a zerg will when disabled and 2) indirectly keeps stam sustain solid as it may not be needed for break free unless it's an emergency.

Not a fan of the permablock style, but I think I'm all little too active at times and can waste magicka. Struggling with some sustain there. L2P issues most likely.

I’ve often wondered how some of these super tanks sustain too. I think it’s 7 heavy + S&B Ult then heavy attacks or desert rose.

People like to trash the playstyle, but I imagine it’s harder to do than it looks.

I play one of those "super tanks" sustaining is just as you said: 7 heavy snb ult then heavy attacks. I play on dk so i can get 1k stam from casting fragmented shield as well. Its not hard to play it but you must be comfortable to not lose control and not waste resources using skills that are still active. Its really all about keeping your buffs up and holding block. Heres a video showcasing my build on my permablock tank.
https://youtu.be/Y4nKaNxWHHI

@Daffen

How far do you think you’d have to go to be able to face tank a whole team in a BG? I’m just curious about whether something more balanced between offense and defense would work.

Like say S&B & DW/Resto using clever alchemist & desert rose, using 5H-1M-1L and shifting standard. Would that be tanky enough to tank an entire team in a BG? I’m curious about how much defense you can strip out and still be an effective super tank in battlegrounds.

I’ve just started messing about with MagDK and want to try something different instead of just a healer or dps.