Dizzy Swing draining all resources + oneshot

Raudgrani · March 2020

Xbox EU.

Getting news about a spreading trend today, started in BG's, and is now in Cyrodiil. Short explanation is:

Guy uses Dizzy Swing, targets Magicka and Stamina goes to 0% (from 100% or whatever value you have), then dies. They are mega tanky too, can hardly be damaged at all. As far as I've heard, they are not "good players" either, but random trash who can even have problems actually landing a Dizzy Swing. So it's clearly not a matter of skill. Have seen videos, but can't share them here because of "name and shame" policy.

So what's this all about? Afaik. there's no set or skills draining resources like that, and noone Dizzy Swing oneshots a decent player over and over, not from full health and full resources. Anyone seen this yet, and does anyone have an idea what this is all about? Doesn't seem like anything a new set could do. By all likelihood an exploit/glitch or whatever. It surely ain't normal, going through block and draining all Magicka AND Stamina and knocks you out a second and a half later. No way.

Asardes · March 2020

I don't think that's an exploit, most likely it's simply desync. By the time your resource bars go down to 0 you're dead, but the client doesn't get all needed information from the server to show that. I remember playing vMA with high latency and at some point both magicka and stamina would go to 0, my movement speed will increase, then a few seconds later I will drop dead, with 10 attacks from mobs seeming to land all at once. Just look at your recap to see what actually hit you.

Raudgrani · March 2020

But how do you kill a seasoned player with a well equipped character with one Dizzy Swing? No heavy attacks, no major fracture no nothing. The guy just runs around, blindly spamming Dizzy Swing and nothing else, getting +30 kills and 0 deaths in a match. From 100%-0% health, one Dizzy Swing? I didn't even suffer such deaths when I was lvl 120'ish going to Cyrodiil.

Asardes · March 2020

I doubt that's possible. On a fully buffed stamina character Dizzy Swing has a tool tip of around ~6k in no-CP and ~7.5k in CP. Heavy attacks are ~3.5k and ~4.5k respectively. But those are halved by battle spirit. So at most you'll get ~13k damage from those skills, considering you're naked. If you have armor and you're fully buffed, let's say 15k resistance, you won''t get more than 10k, mayb 12-13k if they both crit, and you have impenetrable. So that's not possible.

Raudgrani · March 2020

Asardes wrote: »

I doubt that's possible. On a fully buffed stamina character Dizzy Swing has a tool tip of around ~6k in no-CP and ~7.5k in CP. Heavy attacks are ~3.5k and ~4.5k respectively. But those are halved by battle spirit. So at most you'll get ~13k damage from those skills, considering you're naked. If you have armor and you're fully buffed, let's say 15k resistance, you won''t get more than 10k, mayb 12-13k if they both crit, and you have impenetrable. So that's not possible.

Exactly. I was highly skeptic to these claims too, until I saw a video of it. I also suggested the classical desync death, but it didn't look like that. I can't think of anything newly added either, sets/abilities, that would explain it.

Asardes · March 2020

Can you post the video here? Or at least a picture of the death recap?

Iskiab · March 2020

I don’t know what you mean, this has been around for a while and is part of the dizzy swing combo. If the person’s Ult is up then with dizzy + onslaught + executioner it’s a one shot on most builds.

Dizzy’s tooltip should also be closer to 8-10k in no-CP.

OrderoftheDarkness · March 2020

Your words make sense. I've already seen a similar miracle on PC, the person doesn't even use execution. I just didn't pay attention to it and I don't know what it is, because I'm not interested in finding things that can be exploit and that will carry me. In General, after reviewing PTS, I realized that I would not be interested in pvp in this patch.
I can only add that it is possible to access major berserk and stack all possible sources of increased damage, but this does not apply to resource depletion. Although I can't say for sure whether these things affect all possible resource depletion (I only mean drain health. Here lies the possibility of improving debuff Lifesteal, which I would like to see in future changes. After all, this is debuff. It must not be just a healing). I didn't have a chance to check.

mav1234 · March 2020

can we get a video of this? haven't seen what is being described.

Raudgrani · March 2020

Can't share the video, as it's "uncensored". And I haven't been killed myself. But I'll ask two guys I've been talking to, to take a look at this topic and tell you details I can't.
Apparently, at least two users are running around with this typ of "build" in BG's today, and word is it's in the 30 day campaign in Cyrodiil too. If I get blasted, I'll make sure to take a screenshot of the death recap and such. ;-)

Have a feeling it might have something to do with changes to Dizzy Swing. I have been knocked back several times as late as yesterday, like the old Dizzy Swing. Knocked BACK, not down as in Off Balance -> HA -> knocked DOWN. Might be wrong(?), but that shouldn't be possible now? If this is still a thing, there's no limit to how bugged it might be, and someone might know how to exploit that.

Kadoin · March 2020

lol I got one shot twice on PC NA from a bug that is hard to reproduce, but you know...someone will do it

The damage seemed to be bugged in a way that it will always kill you no matter what. Oops, almost went into specifics...

oxygen_thief · March 2020

Raudgrani wrote: »

Can't share the video, as it's "uncensored".

oh you can share youtube link via pm

dazee · March 2020

The trick to landing dizzy swing at all in pvp is make sure you hit tab to target the guy you want to hit first, otherwise its almost never going to hit.

Dr_Ganknstein · March 2020

I've been telling people other abilities cause desync and not just snipe.

BaiterOfZergs · March 2020

Yeah I posted about it being broken in another thread , so it’s not just me that experienced it

technohic · March 2020

Icky wrote: »

I've been telling people other abilities cause desync and not just snipe.

Right now EVERYTHING causes desync. I think when they moved blocking animation to the server, it was the last straw for the server and client trying to stay in sync.